Epistane/Havoc or H-drol?

[wes4161]

Hey guys, just wanted some input on what would be more effective in a ph cycle on a cut. Just want to get back into below 10% again with the new mass that I have now. I have one bottle of epistane and one bottle of havoc, but I'm really considering H-drol. What do you guys think would be best?
Stats:
5'8"
170 pounds
11-12% bodyfat
bench: 275
squat: 275x6
deadlift: 315

[Okinawa_Power]

With you being 5'8" you should be around the 190-200lb mark. I would take a bulking cycle and then after you bulk you will have more muscles to work with. Just my .02

[RATTLEHEAD]

^^^^ Not necessarily. It depends on your goals. I'm not a big fan of epistane anymore. I wouldn't use that reject steroid from the 70's. Hdrol would be a better bet. I see you've chosen 2 dry PH's so i'm assuming your goal isn't bulking, but to emphasize definition. If you could get your hands on real juice, a beginners cycle would give the best opportunity for the most gains with least side effects.

[Okinawa_Power]

^^^^ Not necessarily. It depends on your goals. I'm not a big fan of epistane anymore. I wouldn't use that reject steroid from the 70's. Hdrol would be a better bet. I see you've chosen 2 dry PH's so i'm assuming your goal isn't bulking, but to emphasize definition. If you could get your hands on real juice, a beginners cycle would give the best opportunity for the most gains with least side effects.

Rattlehead you are right, however if he is 170 at 11-12% bodyfat and he wants to get down to 10% then he will have to lose more weight to accomplish that goal.....I know alot of PH/DS state that they are dry gains, however I believe that you gain some water weight on "any" PH/DS.......

[Gaspari1255]

Rattlehead you are right, however if he is 170 at 11-12% bodyfat and he wants to get down to 10% then he will have to lose more weight to accomplish that goal.....I know alot of PH/DS state that they are dry gains, however I believe that you gain some water weight on "any" PH/DS.......

I agree with that. I have a lot of trial and error with PHs and you're gonna gain a few lbs of water on is most cases. The diet is gonna be the deciding factor. For me, my body doesn't really hold all that much water- I get minimumn water retention on Dbol or abombs. Superdrol would probably be the best bet for his stats, he could bulk or cut on it, diet will determine results. In return though, Superdol has some nasty sides (loss of libido, back bumps, acne, hair loss in some cases). I would run Superdrol with a CLEAN bulking diet and possibly some arimidex ( depending on how your body responds to water retention). You should be able to put 12 GOOD lbs on in 3 weeks. Then you can make us nice cut starting at a solid base (185-190lbs). Good luck.

[wes4161]

Hey guys, thanks for all the responses. I'm fairly light for my size and I have been 180 and really prefer the way my body looks at a lower weight. I have a pretty small frame and I started lifting at 130lbs. I would like to be around 160 shredded, which sounds light but I think I would look the best. I have ran a cycle before and I'm not looking for those types of gains again. I just want to lean out a little more and sit at around 160 hard and shredded.

[POPS]

Hey guys, thanks for all the responses. I'm fairly light for my size and I have been 180 and really prefer the way my body looks at a lower weight. I have a pretty small frame and I started lifting at 130lbs. I would like to be around 160 shredded, which sounds light but I think I would look the best. I have ran a cycle before and I'm not looking for those types of gains again. I just want to lean out a little more and sit at around 160 hard and shredded.

I agree also but not with Superdrol. Personally the sides outweigh the gains. I ran h-drol before and loved it. Set up your diet so youre doing a lean bulk and throw in the hdrol, youll be very happy. Just make sure with whatever you choose, get your support supplements and pct lined up as well.
Good luck!

However, if you can get your hands on spawn, thats the way to go!!!!

[wes4161]

I agree also but not with Superdrol. Personally the sides outweigh the gains. I ran h-drol before and loved it. Set up your diet so youre doing a lean bulk and throw in the hdrol, youll be very happy. Just make sure with whatever you choose, get your support supplements and pct lined up as well.
Good luck!

However, if you can get your hands on spawn, thats the way to go!!!!

Ya, I agree, I wouldn't run superdrol personally from what I've seen with the side effects from friends. And I just have to order the support supps which I will do as soon as I get paid, and I already have pharm grade nolva left from my test/eq cycle. I will have to check into spawn, I've heard some good things.

[Okinawa_Power]

I agree also but not with Superdrol. Personally the sides outweigh the gains. I ran h-drol before and loved it. Set up your diet so youre doing a lean bulk and throw in the hdrol, youll be very happy. Just make sure with whatever you choose, get your support supplements and pct lined up as well.
Good luck!

However, if you can get your hands on spawn, thats the way to go!!!!

Order CEL E-Stane and X-Tren same thing as spawn.......when combined......you get 2mg more of E-Stane then with Spawn......

[Okinawa_Power]

That’s a great point to bring up. There are certainly a lot of details like that to take into consideration. I offer the 640-802 exam thoughts above as general inspiration but clearly there are questions like the one you bring up where the most important thing will be working in honest good faith. I don’t know if best practices have emerged around things like that, but I am sure that your job is clearly identified as a fair game if you are commenting as an individual.

What the F**k did you just say??????

[PistolStarta]

He said Ban me I think

[Machdiesel]

I have been getting back into shape for the past 6 weeks after a 1 year lay off. Since to ban on Ph's I bought a bottle of Spawn which I plan to use 6-8 months from now once I get some strength back an show myself I can keep with it this time. In the mean time I would like to speed thing up a little. Obviously we all want results as quick as possible. Right now I am what you would call "skinny fat". I am 6'1 196 pounds but hold all my fat in my chest and lower stomach. In the past 6 weeks I have done a good job of dieting and working out and have seen a dramatic chance in body comp and loss of inches on my waist. In 2 weeks I plan on Taking Lean Xtreme for 4 weeks to help with my body recomp and get myself into good enough shape to get on a bulking routine. I ahve uses LX before and absolutely love it, My question is will stacking Activate Xtreme along side LX be a good stack?? I am not familiar with Activate or whats in it so looking for feed back. I would take 3 pills a day of each for 30 days....

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/dr...atextreme.html

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/dr...eanxtreme.html

[Machdiesel]

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