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    Best Gear For an Athlete

    This is my first post, I signed up for an account because Im tired of reading forum after forum and not getting the exact question I want, answered.

    I am a 22 year old football player, 6 Feet - 215 pounds, with 7% body fat. I have been lifting hard since the age of 12, having multiple personal trainers in both strength and conditioning. I have not taken more then 2 weeks off of training since I have started.

    I have always kept a good diet and made sure my training was in check. 3 months prior to my first steroid cycle I started a 6000 calorie diet which consisted of lean meats, whole wheats, fruits, veggies etc. Each carb, protein and fat was accounted for and was yielding some great results in itself.

    My father was a bodybuilder in his day and I have great genetics. After doing a ton of research I recently did my first my steroid cycle. This consisted of:

    Dianabol 10mg tabs / 3 pills ED (Weeks 1-4)
    Sustanon 250 / 400mg - 2 injections a week (Weeks 1-8)

    **Milk Thistle was used during entire duration and continued after.

    PCT: I took 5000iu's of HCG after my cycle and continued with Chlomid, cant remember how many pills but I took the amount required to keep most of my gains.

    Pre-cycle Bench Max: 380
    Post-cycle Bench Max: 425

    Pre-Cycle Squat Max: 450
    Post-Cycle Squat Max: 510

    **Keep in mind that I am a running back and have very good speed to go with the strength.

    Before the cycle I was at 210 pounds and near the end of the cycle I was 228 pounds. Because I did the right PCT, I kept all of my gains. But lost about 15 pounds shortly after an injury which kept me out of the gym for a while. This injury had nothing to do with the gear.

    I am fully recovered now and am not looking to do another cycle like this one. I will be looking to play professional ball next year, and I want to do another cycle but one that doesnt require HCG because of heavy test level drops. I am not looking to gain 20 pounds of muscle again, I am looking to gain about 5-10(max) solid pounds without looking like a "juicer", which I did after finishing my first cycle.

    Every single post I have read about Winstrol, told me that this is not the best gear to take by itself. **so please dont flame this post, because I already know what your going to say. This is why I am here, for alternatives to winny unless you think this cycle might benefit me.

    I was thinking of taking only Winny-V under the tongue for 6 weeks, I forget the dosage in mL's but its equivalent to 50mg/day in pill form. I would do this while continuing with my 6000 calorie diet. This essentially will increase my strength, enhance conditioning and will not give me massive muscle gains but will still put on about 5-10 pounds.

    If you do not think this the right cycle please let me know, and give me suggestions on what other gear would be a better choice. Please note that I am wanting something which has a very quick clearance in detection time, which is also a reason why I choose this cycle. Lastly, I dont want to blow up and become noticeable like I did in my last cycle, and would like to keep the cycle at 6 weeks max.

    Hope to hear some valuable feedback from you guys.
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    I am looking to gain about 5-10(max) solid pounds without looking like a "juicer"
    Go to GNC and get some creatine and protein. At your age with proper diet 10 pounds of muscle will be very easy without gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunslinger2 View Post
    Go to GNC and get some creatine and protein. At your age with proper diet 10 pounds of muscle will be very easy without gear.
    He's an athlete, not trying to just gain weight to look better in the gym.


    Winstrol doesn't sound good for your goals because of it's effects on the joints. Most will say either tbol or anavar for your goals as the gains will be lean, strength will be up, and next to no water weight so speed should be maintained/increased.

    Either one will be good, tho var is a tad bit more expensive. I have personally not used var so I can only speak of what I've heard. Tbol is good though. You could do 50-80mg/day of either compound, depending on how much weight you want to put on and how much you are willing to spend. Var is usually ran for 6-8 weeks, and tbol from 8-10.

    If you are tested, I would look up how long the metabolites are in the system for and have an idea of when testing would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpmaster View Post
    He's an athlete, not trying to just gain weight to look better in the gym.
    I'm going to have to go with Gunslinger on this one.

    Whatever his motivation (athlete/looking good), he still should be able to put on 5-10lbs naturally at his age, especially with his "great genetics" and 6K calories a day.

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    Trenbolone is the truth, Anavar is the way.

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    tbol for an athlete, lean gains, strenght, speed, everything. I play runningback as well.

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    anavar will prob help...but at the same time is not like hes small ...and just hit the gym three months ago.... i say nark and ronnie rowland or c-bino to chime in....

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    Quote Originally Posted by D7M View Post
    I'm going to have to go with Gunslinger on this one.

    Whatever his motivation (athlete/looking good), he still should be able to put on 5-10lbs naturally at his age, especially with his "great genetics" and 6K calories a day.
    He has good enough stats, and his weight added needs to be as much lean muscle as possible, with a chance at decreasing or maintaing bodyfat, and natural bulking doesn't happen like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbjake34 View Post
    tbol for an athlete, lean gains, strenght, speed, everything. I play runningback as well.
    Can someone tell me what tbol is so I can read the profile? Thanks.

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    I vote VAR

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunslinger2 View Post
    Go to GNC and get some creatine and protein. At your age with proper diet 10 pounds of muscle will be very easy without gear.
    i respectfully disagree. although i do beleive this would be the case in any average situation. but this guy is at a level where he expects to go into the pros next season. so he is very well past the stage of just creatine and protein, again which would be the case for some average 22 year old just trying to look good at the gym.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunslinger2 View Post
    Go to GNC and get some creatine and protein. At your age with proper diet 10 pounds of muscle will be very easy without gear.
    I actually work at a store which is even better then GNC, we sell every supplement imaginable plus we also have a juice bar that makes every protein shake imaginable, rice bowl, wraps, etc. I have been taking in protein powders since I was 13 years old, I do often add weight gainer shakes with my diet but im far past getting serious results with that. As far as creatine goes, I have used the monohydrate many times as well as the new gaspari size on, but It doesnt really affect me or give me the results I am looking for.

    Im glad you guys told me about the Turanabol and Anavar, Im going to talk to my supplier and see which one is more easily attainable. Money is not an issue for me and I would rather spend the extra buck to get what will best suit me in sport. I read a little bit about the t-bol and it says that it will give me more muscle gains comparing to the anavar, as the tbol is very similar to Dbol/Anavar together.

    Detection Time: Anavar (3 weeks), Turanabol (6 weeks)

    so it seems maybe anavar is the best choice since I can use this stack a little longer and not have to worry about clearance time, but I would still think its a good idea to do PCT with whichever I choose just to make sure I keep all of my gains. What do you guys think?
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    I stand by what I said. If your genetics are what you say they are and at your age there is no way people should be recommending gear for you to gain 5-10 pounds.

    Give me a f**ucking break people. Lazy M**therfu**ers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunslinger2 View Post
    I stand by what I said. If your genetics are what you say they are and at your age there is no way people should be recommending gear for you to gain 5-10 pounds.

    Give me a f**ucking break people. Lazy M**therfu**ers.

    I am not here to fight or debate with anybody, I simply want answers to what I am specifically asking, not whether you think I need to train without the gear or not.

    I do understand what you are saying and you are 100% correct that with the proper diet and training I can gain 5-10 pounds of muscle. However, I gained 10 pounds of muscle with just my diet and training prior to my cycle. I plan on gaining another 5-10 pounds with my diet and training, but am ALSO looking for another 5-10 pounds using gear that would be best for sport, Instead of bulking up with hardcore gear and getting all synthetic gains.

    I have a time limit because the Evaluation camps are in the next 4 months and would like to maximize my size, speed, strength in that time. If I wasn't training for the pro's I would not have even thought about the gear.

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    I think the best steroid for an athlete is just Test. Steroids might make you bigger and stronger, but they do not improve coordination or your actual ability to play the sport. That comes from nothing but straight up practice and dedication.

    If anything Test makes you more competitive and aggressive, and will give you size and strength you need and increase your endurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunslinger2 View Post
    I stand by what I said. If your genetics are what you say they are and at your age there is no way people should be recommending gear for you to gain 5-10 pounds.

    Give me a f**ucking break people. Lazy M**therfu**ers.

    ... you really have no idea how top athletics go, do you. Not to mention, his sport training is probably a hell of a lot more demanding than your gym routine.

    I love this forum and our magical age numbers where the side effects of anabolics suddenly decrease. Boop! I turned 24 today, whew now I can finally use these drugs.

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    halotestin works great for athletes

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    Low dose test, anavar50-60mg ed will give you a bunch of strength and explosivness and not blow you up too much, Winni works just have to watch out for your joints keep it short and sweet and use glucosamine to help keep fluid in the joints.

    I realize he is young but the reality of the situation is he will be competing with everyone that is on juice so... and with NFL money on the line? The regular line doesnt fly here IMO.

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    thanks for the info guys, much appreciated.

    Ive decided I will try the Anavar, if I cant get a hold of it I'll just stick with the Winny-V. I would do a low dose of test but the detection time is what stops me from doing so.

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    dont...
    do the winny....i know how important your joints are....and its not good on your joints..
    my advice stick to var.....i would say nandrolone but then ur fvcked for detention times....
    tbol...

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    No nandrolone unless you use a low dose just for joint pain...

    I would go with Anavar and Test.

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    Next time run the HCG during your cycle. HCG is more effective if ran during your cycle at a low dose.

    It can actually be counter productive during PCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpmaster View Post
    ... you really have no idea how top athletics go, do you. Not to mention, his sport training is probably a hell of a lot more demanding than your gym routine.

    I love this forum and our magical age numbers where the side effects of anabolics suddenly decrease. Boop! I turned 24 today, whew now I can finally use these drugs.
    Yeah I know all the top guys are on. Thats not the point. This guy is trying to only put on 5-10 pounds. Not bench 200 pounds more or shave 3 seconds off his best sprint.

    I'll compare workouts with anyone any day. I'm in the gym 5 days a week with the weights and 3-4 times per week MMA training 3-4 hours per session.

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    I'm in the exact same boat as you but want to put on more weight...
    After months of research I'm gunna do a 10 week cycle of prop and Tbol.
    I liked Tbol a bit better then anavar

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    What's your budget? If you're serious about going pro, might want to throw some IGF-1 in there. From what I've read though to maximize effects IGF-1 needs to be combined with a lot of other compounds and it can get quite expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Researcher View Post
    Can someone tell me what tbol is so I can read the profile? Thanks.
    oral turnibol.. I love this stuff zero sides and the gains are amazing

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunslinger2 View Post
    Go to GNC and get some creatine and protein. At your age with proper diet 10 pounds of muscle will be very easy without gear.
    what do u mean 10 pounds of muscle is easy??? u can barely get that after juice...

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    Look, if you were over 25 yo at least, with probably your system already fully developed, I would suggest you Oxandrolone (anavar).
    I just finished my cycle (63 mg ed averaged for 8 weeks), had no important sides at all, my LH and FSH values were always in range (I can do a very mild pct), gained almost 12 lbs of LBM and the strength increase was very noticeable.
    I am a martial artist, so weight, rapidity and a good proportion between weight and strength are an issue for me.
    Furthermore, anavar seemed to have solved my elbows pangs.
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=403234

    BUT
    Since you are only 22 year old, I would suggest you to forget aas. You already made a mistake once, do not double it. IMO
    So, I agree with D7M and gunslinger2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kifenehma3ak View Post
    what do u mean 10 pounds of muscle is easy??? u can barely get that after juice...
    What I'm saying is that at 22 years old with a good diet and quality supplements there is no reason why he could not put on 5-10 pounds without touching AAS. I'm also saying that I think 22 is too young to start juicing.

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    He doesn't get the added agressiveness, the better recovery, the better ratio of muscle mass to fat mass, the placebo effect of being on, etc. etc.

    THERE IS NO MAGIC AGE NUMBER FOR JUICING! God, it's about environment, reasons for using, accepting the risks, and amount of necessity.

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    ^^ agreed he is already going pro...not at that level... It's not that easy

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    Besides Age, the thing I would be worried about is timing. So he does whichever cycle, experiences some solid gains, and then hops on PCT, and then his evaluation camps roll around, and hes at his temporarily lowest point strength wise, aggression wise, etc....wouldn't be wise.

    So whether or not he goes through I think timing would be important so that A. he doesn't fail a drug test, and B. he comes into the camp at excellent shape, and also a sound mindset

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    If he starts prop var tbol he won't fail IMO

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    Some institutions test for PCT drugs also. Just in case...
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    Quote Originally Posted by alpmaster View Post
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    THERE IS NO MAGIC AGE NUMBER FOR JUICING! God, it's about environment, reasons for using, accepting the risks, and amount of necessity.
    Bump.

    I'd fathom that 50% of the guys who aren't offering constructive advice don't even equal this guy's stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alpmaster View Post
    He doesn't get the added agressiveness, the better recovery, the better ratio of muscle mass to fat mass, the placebo effect of being on, etc. etc.

    THERE IS NO MAGIC AGE NUMBER FOR JUICING! God, it's about environment, reasons for using, accepting the risks, and amount of necessity.
    Of course not, since it something that should not be done without any medical reason.
    Right because of that, it is totally unacceptable for a male organism who DID NOT DEVELOPED YET, to use any aas.

    So, if "there is no magic age number for juicing", surely there is the common sense not to use any aas before a certain age.
    25 Years old age is just an estimate average, on applied statistics; not everyone is fully developed at 25 while some already developed at 22.
    Biological age should be taken into account but it is very expensive to undergo those exams and yet our level of knowledge is limited to some organs and parts of the body only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_k View Post
    Besides Age, the thing I would be worried about is timing. So he does whichever cycle, experiences some solid gains, and then hops on PCT, and then his evaluation camps roll around, and hes at his temporarily lowest point strength wise, aggression wise, etc....wouldn't be wise.

    So whether or not he goes through I think timing would be important so that A. he doesn't fail a drug test, and B. he comes into the camp at excellent shape, and also a sound mindset
    great points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_k View Post
    Besides Age, the thing I would be worried about is timing. So he does whichever cycle, experiences some solid gains, and then hops on PCT, and then his evaluation camps roll around, and hes at his temporarily lowest point strength wise, aggression wise, etc....wouldn't be wise.

    So whether or not he goes through I think timing would be important so that A. he doesn't fail a drug test, and B. he comes into the camp at excellent shape, and also a sound mindset
    Solid post.
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    Of course not, since it something that should not be done without any medical reason.
    Right because of that, it is totally unacceptable for a male organism who DID NOT DEVELOPED YET, to use any aas.

    So, if "there is no magic age number for juicing", surely there is the common sense not to use any aas before a certain age.
    25 Years old age is just an estimate average, on applied statistics; not everyone is fully developed at 25 while some already developed at 22.
    Biological age should be taken into account but it is very expensive to undergo those exams and yet our level of knowledge is limited to some organs and parts of the body only.
    Bull. Shit.

    First of all, let's assume he's "not fully developed" (whatever that means), still, why would he not use in an athletic environment where it is optimal and somewhat necessary to use? Oh, let me guess, because for some reason he can recover his HPTA at 25, but not at 22.

    You guys who talk like this just speak in rhetoric. You copy and paste what you've heard forum members say (who's 'knowledge' is often based off of post count) without truthfully knowing the real world logics of what you're attempting to advise. AAS hold their own advantages and disadvantages of use and abuse, and it is up to the individual to accept or reject them in context of their situation AFTER UNDERSTANDING these positive and negative consequences. This board often uses fear, rather than teaching, to stray away people from using the drugs that all of you are fine with using yourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alpmaster View Post
    Bull. Shit.

    First of all, let's assume he's "not fully developed" (whatever that means), still, why would he not use in an athletic environment where it is optimal and somewhat necessary to use? Oh, let me guess, because for some reason he can recover his HPTA at 25, but not at 22.

    You guys who talk like this just speak in rhetoric. You copy and paste what you've heard forum members say (who's 'knowledge' is often based off of post count) without truthfully knowing the real world logics of what you're attempting to advise. AAS hold their own advantages and disadvantages of use and abuse, and it is up to the individual to accept or reject them in context of their situation AFTER UNDERSTANDING these positive and negative consequences. This board often uses fear, rather than teaching, to stray away people from using the drugs that all of you are fine with using yourselves.
    ^^^
    Then, try to figure out what that means, then we can have a conversation.
    I do not speak rhetorically neither I copy and paste. It is clear you do not know me at all.

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