Vegetarian looking at first cycle. HELP!

[sickpuppydawg]

Hey Guys!

I am looking at my first cycle and have been reading up for a while here. Will need your inputs to refine my diet to the max!

Stats:
Age - 28 Years
Sex - Male
Height - 5 Feet 7 Inches
Weight - 67 Kgs
Bodyfat% - 13.3%
Workout history - 2 years consistent (four times a week of killing myself). Total - 4 years
Cardio - 1 to 2 hours a week
Supplementing with - Myofusion and Creatine.
Water consumption - 3 Litres/day
Calorie consumption - In the vicinity of 2500 cals/day. Vegetarian. Eat eggs

Planned Diet:

6:00 AM - Green Tea
7:00 AM - 5 whole scrambled eggs
8:00 AM - 2 peanut butter Jelly brown bread sandwiches + 250 ml fruit juice
9:00 AM - 20 Soaked almonds
10:30 AM - 1/2 cup oatmeal + 1 scoop whey in water
11:30 AM - One fruit Portion
1:00 PM - Rice + Cottage cheese + Boiled vegetables
3:00 PM - 1 scoop whey in water
5:00 PM - Rice + mashed potato + Gravy
6:15 PM - Workout
7:30 PM - 5 grams creatine
8:15 PM - 1 scoop whey in milk
9:00 PM - five whole eggs and one slice brown bread blended in lentil soup
10:00 PM - 1 scoop Universal Real Gain

Will this help?

I have tried modding my diet many times and either i can't eat much or most of it turns into fat.

I don't want to become superhuge. My aim is to be around 75kgs with around 8-10% bodyfat.

So i typically am looking at gaining some 20 pounds from this cycle as under and then shredding 10 to get that defined look.

My cycle should look like this:
Cycle:
Testosterone Cypionate - 300mg/week - Mondays - Week 1 to 11
Deca Durabolin - 200 mg/week - Thursdays - Week 1 to 10
D'bol - 30 mg/day - 10AM, 3PM, 10PM (10mg each) - Week 1 to 4
Nolvadex - 20 mg/day (once and if the symptoms of gymo show up)
Vitamin B-complex - 200 mg/day (post dinner)

PCT:
Clomid for 21 days starting three weeks post the last Deca shot
Day1 - 300mg. Day 2 to Day 11 - 100 mg/day. Day 12 to Day 21 - 50 mg/day

Have been directed off the cycle thread to come here and consult the diet gurus...So couldja Please?

cheers

[**TOP**]

I agree with them you should not be cycling yet lets fix the diet and you get that established so your cycle works for you instead of the other way around!


Is there anything on this you are against eating? and how long have you been vegetarian and why?


Meal 1
2-3 Whole Egg and 8-10 Egg Whites
Oatmeal (1/2 Cup dry)

Meal 2
1.5 Scoops Whey Protein
1 tbs natty peanut butter

Meal 3 (Lunch)
2 Can Tuna (i assume you can have this?)
2 cups veggies
1 tbls natty peanut butter

Meal 4
2 4oz tilapia
1 CUP brown rice


Post Workout
1.5 Scoops Whey Protein

Meal 5 (Dinner--+1 hour from Post Workout)
6-8oz Fish
2 Cup Steamed Brocolli
2 tbls natty p.b.

Meal 6 (Before Bed)
1 Cup fat free Cottage Cheese

[Damienm05]

Meal 1
2-3 Whole Egg and 8-10 Egg Whites
Oatmeal (1/2 Cup dry)

Meal 2
1.5 Scoops Whey Protein
1 tbs natty peanut butter

Meal 3 (Lunch)
2 Can Tuna (i assume you can have this?)
2 cups veggies
1 tbls natty peanut butter

Meal 4
2 4oz tilapia



Post Workout
1.5 Scoops Whey Protein

Meal 5 (Dinner--+1 hour from Post Workout)
6-8oz Fish
2 Cup Steamed Brocolli
2 tbls natty p.b.

Meal 6 (Before Bed)
1 Cup fat free Cottage Cheese

God damn, please tell me you can eat fish. He just hooked you up! You will definitely gain a lot with this diet.

[elpropiotorvic]

mate im vegetarian too, ok not now (now i eat fish) but i used to be up untill dec 2008, for six years, there is a lot of soy meal replacements that you can buy, saucages and slices flavored like whatever you want them to taste, i still only eat like one portion of fish a day sometimes more but generally egg whites, eggs and soy products do their thing.
Look into them in your natural food pantry or in your local supermarket

[sickpuppydawg]

I agree with them you should not be cycling yet lets fix the diet and you get that established so your cycle works for you instead of the other way around!


Is there anything on this you are against eating? and how long have you been vegetarian and why?


Meal 1
2-3 Whole Egg and 8-10 Egg Whites
Oatmeal (1/2 Cup dry)

Meal 2
1.5 Scoops Whey Protein
1 tbs natty peanut butter

Meal 3 (Lunch)
2 Can Tuna (i assume you can have this?)
2 cups veggies
1 tbls natty peanut butter

Meal 4
2 4oz tilapia



Post Workout
1.5 Scoops Whey Protein

Meal 5 (Dinner--+1 hour from Post Workout)
6-8oz Fish
2 Cup Steamed Brocolli
2 tbls natty p.b.

Meal 6 (Before Bed)
1 Cup fat free Cottage Cheese

Don't eat cuz of the whole PETA thing...but since this is temporary...
I agree..there's no point buying a gun if you don't wanna learn how to shoot.

Okay...I've never had or cooked fish. Any specific kinds that i'd want to buy and any source of simple recipes?

[elpropiotorvic]

salmon, tilapia those are the only ones i eat, and tuna in can,


smoked salmon is great as a complement for everything.
tilapia is great..
salmon too..

buy the fish turn ur oven in bake at 425 preheat for 5 min, put the fish in a tray covered in foil , put a little little bit of olive oil, cut half an onion and a lime, put the onion and lemon slices on top of the fish and cook for 20 to 25 min...makes a great simple taste.

[elpropiotorvic]

if you still choose not to eat meat that is fine, it doesnt mean u cant put a diet together, go to the natural food pantry and you will be amazed at how much stuff there is out there for vegetarians

[sickpuppydawg]

if you still choose not to eat meat that is fine, it doesnt mean u cant put a diet together, go to the natural food pantry and you will be amazed at how much stuff there is out there for vegetarians

SUPER!
Thanks so much...will chek it out asap...let me figure out how to stack it up tho.

Need:

Around 120 Grams of lean protein
Need to add up around 3500 cals/day
need as little processing as possible.

yes?

Man! your post just saved me a LOT of guilt...Seriously.

[**TOP**]

SUPER!
Thanks so much...will chek it out asap...let me figure out how to stack it up tho.

Need:

Around 120 Grams of lean protein
Need to add up around 3500 cals/day
need as little processing as possible.

yes?

Man! your post just saved me a LOT of guilt...Seriously.

You dont need that much! you are 5'7 13% bf and 147 lbs try the diet ive given and stick with it you will see a world of difference!

[elpropiotorvic]

no prob man it was heaven when i discovered this, a while ago like 5 years.....

but what you need to know is....for your diet i would not eat ANYTHING less than 200 g of protein, u really will see the diff when you eat more protein....

[sickpuppydawg]

tho i hardly see any carbs...

shouldn't i push in any?

I am still looking at veggie alternatives tho...

[**TOP**]

tho i hardly see any carbs...

shouldn't i push in any?

I am still looking at veggie alternatives tho...

I think the majority of people do better with higher fats and lower carbs,try it out and see if you like it. you may also add 1 cup of rice in with the tilapia meal before workout.

[sickpuppydawg]

I've got my grubby hands on the gear...

[**TOP**]

I've got my grubby hands on the gear...

So? gear is only 5% of the equation! remember that!

[sickpuppydawg]

So? gear is only 5% of the equation! remember that!

agree...and thats y i've kept it safely in a cabinet as of now.

But anyway do you think this looks okay?

Sustanon 250 - 10 weeks straight
Deca-Durabolin - 200mg - 10 weeks straight
Danabol DS - 20mg/day for one week; 30mg/day for two weeks; 20mg/day for one week
Nolvadex - 20mg/day

PCT - clomid - Three weeks tapering 100mg - 50mg with first dose three weeks post the last deca shot.

suggest any mods?

And i repeat...will not start till i get my diet right..i KNOW its critical.

[**TOP**]

agree...and thats y i've kept it safely in a cabinet as of now.

But anyway do you think this looks okay?

Sustanon 250 - 10 weeks straight
Deca-Durabolin - 200mg - 10 weeks straight
Danabol DS - 20mg/day for one week; 30mg/day for two weeks; 20mg/day for one week
Nolvadex - 20mg/day

PCT - clomid - Three weeks tapering 100mg - 50mg with first dose three weeks post the last deca shot.

suggest any mods?

And i repeat...will not start till i get my diet right..i KNOW its critical.

How would i know ,Im the diet guy LOL! Im also a lifetime natural sooooo my knowledge of AAS is probably just as good as yours. That will need to be posted back in the steroid section...TOP

[oneshot]

SUPER!
Thanks so much...will chek it out asap...let me figure out how to stack it up tho.

Need:

Around 120 Grams of lean proteinNeed to add up around 3500 cals/day
need as little processing as possible.

yes?

Man! your post just saved me a LOT of guilt...Seriously.

your gonna need more than that. i would get AT LEAST 200 grams daily. you need to consume way more soy supplements, whey, casein, milk, and eggs, and fish if you're willing to go that route. regardless of your goals, 120 grams protein is not enough.

[oneshot]

and also, dont bother with the cycle. you could EASILY attain your goals naturally. if you do decide to cycle, (although most people around here will suggest not to at your stats) get a much better pct protocal.

[**TOP**]

Im the juggernaut bitch! ive seen that spoof hi-larious!!

[sickpuppydawg]

This is SO FRUSTATING!

I live in India and its bloody IMPOSSIBLE to find nutrition facts of foods or even high grade foods here. No wonder we don't have biggies on this side of the planet!

[sickpuppydawg]

06:00 AM 1 scoop whey in milk
06:30 AM 5 whole Scrambled Eggs
06:30 AM One tbsp Peanut butter s/w
08:00 AM Apple
10:00 AM ½ Cup Oatmeal
10:00 AM 1 scoop Universal real gain
11:00 AM 10 Almonds
01:00 PM 1 cup cooked rice
01:00 PM 100 grams cottage cheese
04:00 PM 1 scoop whey
08:00 PM 1 scoop whey
08:30 PM 3 whole hard boiled eggs
08:30 PM 2 boiled egg whites
08:30 PM ½ cucumber, 1 tomato, ½ capsicum
08:30 PM Lentil Soup
09:30 PM 1 scoop Universal real gain
09:30 PM 1 Glass Milk


Gives me
222.6 grams Protein
247.2 grams Carbs
3117.6 Calories

I don't think i will be able to get myself to eat any animals so mods in this one will be highly appreciated!

[Twist]

You are just going to lose all of your gains with this liquid diet whey powder bs.

[sickpuppydawg]

You are just going to lose all of your gains with this liquid diet whey powder bs.

I don't have an option then...Cannot eat animals. Its a personal thing.

[Twist]

a cycle is completely useless without proper nutrition. Say hello to water weight and then once you stop say goodbye to your "gains"

maybe if you eat eggs every two hours and like 8 at each meal...

[sickpuppydawg]

a cycle is completely useless without proper nutrition. Say hello to water weight and then once you stop say goodbye to your "gains"

maybe if you eat eggs every two hours and like 8 at each meal...

At the end of the day..its protein that matters. The animal source is slower release than the powders...so what i can do is split up the whey into lesser portions and more frequency.

That seems to be the ONLY solution. Maybe i will add fish. Maybe...but i still think it should be do-able without causing any further killing.

I am willing to live with a 20 pound gain when others might have done 40.

Not saying that i don't agree with what you're saying...but like i said, its a personal choice.

[oneshot]

at least mix up the powders a bit. try some casein and soy protein supplements as well. definitely add in more eggs. eggs whites are one of, if not the, best sources for protein out there. cottage cheese would also be a good option if you have access to it. if you can incorporate more solid food into each meal and a little more variety of protein sources, then you could cut those 17 meals into 8 or so. if your buying pretty raw basic foods then you might not even need a food label to get a good idea of the macro content.

[sickpuppydawg]

at least mix up the powders a bit. try some casein and soy protein supplements as well. definitely add in more eggs. eggs whites are one of, if not the, best sources for protein out there. cottage cheese would also be a good option if you have access to it. if you can incorporate more solid food into each meal and a little more variety of protein sources, then you could cut those 17 meals into 8 or so. if your buying pretty raw basic foods then you might not even need a food label to get a good idea of the macro content.

shall research that and get back

[Twist]

At the end of the day..its protein that matters. The animal source is slower release than the powders...so what i can do is split up the whey into lesser portions and more frequency.

That seems to be the ONLY solution. Maybe i will add fish. Maybe...but i still think it should be do-able without causing any further killing.

I am willing to live with a 20 pound gain when others might have done 40.

Not saying that i don't agree with what you're saying...but like i said, its a personal choice.

I am saying you will not gain 20lbs. You will get bloated from water then come off cycle and drop the water and back to your original weight. IMO DO NOT CYCLE! it will be detrimental and could possibly set you back much further. what if your test levels don't ever come back to where they once were? try being a veg with low test levels and see how much weight you gain. sell your gear and spend it on food. Also say you take tren and you are able to eat like a veg and gain muscle... then you stop tren and your body can no longer support this muscle = so you lose it. Steroids should be used for a very very limited amount of things, but we will not get into that. What they should never be used for is to fix a shitty diet: it will also not work for this either.

the other matter is protein sources. none of the sources of protein you have are slow digesting. I would say eat red meat three times a day and watch the muscle build. But since that is not an option, nothing I can do.

whey and all other protein powders are not (ARE NOT) food. they are multivitamins. you cannot just drink shakes as your foundation. that's like saying I want to just take amino acids for my keto diet. There are so many other nutrients in food that you need other than just protein. Try eating eggs (whole) every two hours at a minimum. maybe that will suffice. but look into fish... that's the best option I see so far. try looking up combinations of foods to make complete usable proteins. I have a list somewhere but I think I lost it. that may help...

at the end of the day my friend the only person you are hurting by not eating meat is yourself, people like me eat three times the amount of meat you would eat anyway. the corporations are going to keep killing animals and the only thing you can do about that is eat meats from "humane" places.
Not trying to talk you out of it just saying that you are kinda like the one legged runner... he may be doing well for having one leg, but he NEVER wins the race.

[sickpuppydawg]

I am saying you will not gain 20lbs. You will get bloated from water then come off cycle and drop the water and back to your original weight. IMO DO NOT CYCLE! it will be detrimental and could possibly set you back much further. what if your test levels don't ever come back to where they once were? try being a veg with low test levels and see how much weight you gain. sell your gear and spend it on food. Also say you take tren and you are able to eat like a veg and gain muscle... then you stop tren and your body can no longer support this muscle = so you lose it. Steroids should be used for a very very limited amount of things, but we will not get into that. What they should never be used for is to fix a shitty diet: it will also not work for this either.

the other matter is protein sources. none of the sources of protein you have are slow digesting. I would say eat red meat three times a day and watch the muscle build. But since that is not an option, nothing I can do.

whey and all other protein powders are not (ARE NOT) food. they are multivitamins. you cannot just drink shakes as your foundation. that's like saying I want to just take amino acids for my keto diet. There are so many other nutrients in food that you need other than just protein. Try eating eggs (whole) every two hours at a minimum. maybe that will suffice. but look into fish... that's the best option I see so far. try looking up combinations of foods to make complete usable proteins. I have a list somewhere but I think I lost it. that may help...

at the end of the day my friend the only person you are hurting by not eating meat is yourself, people like me eat three times the amount of meat you would eat anyway. the corporations are going to keep killing animals and the only thing you can do about that is eat meats from "humane" places.
Not trying to talk you out of it just saying that you are kinda like the one legged runner... he may be doing well for having one leg, but he NEVER wins the race.

EVERY bit true.
Okay more info...I live in India. You should SEE the hygiene and butchering conditions in this country....PATHETIC to say the least. One of the major things i will get out of eating these already (mostly) sick and old animals butchered in horrible conditions is diseases and off course the protein (that too i'm not sure of what grade).

Fish i am not too sure about...hence, like i said, i will check.

I am a lil surprised to see that the ONLY way to gain and keep it is through red meat/meat. I am sure that there are people out there who disagree.

Anyone?

[**TOP**]

I disagree and also Mr Universe Bill pearl does also!!

[sickpuppydawg]

I disagree and also Mr Universe Bill pearl does also!!

THANK YOU!



I can finally go about my day without stressing.

[Twist]

I am not saying the only way is without red meat. I don't even eat red meat when cutting.

But without meat all together... you are not mr universe and you do not have genetics of mr universe. It is not comparable imo.

But I am saying don't go with the gear try to find something that works in the meantime and save the gear until you can get diet right.

[sickpuppydawg]

I am not saying the only way is without red meat. I don't even eat red meat when cutting.

But without meat all together... you are not mr universe and you do not have genetics of mr universe. It is not comparable imo.

But I am saying don't go with the gear try to find something that works in the meantime and save the gear until you can get diet right.

I am in the process of figuring out my diet still. The gear waits in the closet.

One thing i am convinced about tho...not eating anything that walks on land. Not till i am in this country at least. Will do more harm than good.

lets see how this goes.

[Twist]

well hopefully you can find some fish. how about canned tuna? its cheap but mercury could possibly be a problem if you are eating it as a staple.

[sickpuppydawg]

well hopefully you can find some fish. how about canned tuna? its cheap but mercury could possibly be a problem if you are eating it as a staple.

never tried it...will not keep it as staple.

will look at a daily dinner output of lets say 30 grams from steamed/grilled local varieties. My gym buddy is a brilliant cook, so hopefully he will be able to handle that aspect.

[Twist]

jerky?

[sickpuppydawg]

I'm afraid thats a no.

[sickpuppydawg]

I had pork...it was yummy....i feel horrible!

[Twist]

what about ostrich or buffalo?

Buffalo is my favorite meat ever!! ostrich is a bird but you can order ostrich off the internet in jerky form...

Pork is a step.

[elpropiotorvic]

mate u dont go for fish but for pork that is really unhealthy? dont understand...


Imm gonna give you an idea of my diet

5:00 shake on milk 45 g
workout at 5:45
7:30 Omelet with 1.5 whole eggs and half a cup of eggwhites, brocolli, onion, vegetarian burger patty (x1) and ketchup and bread or no ketchup or bread if cutting 55 or 43 g
10:00 vegetarian "tofurky" spicy sausage and half cup of cottage cheese 44g
12:30 same as meal two 50g or 43 roughly
3:00 or 4:00 depending if my boss is in meeting or not salmon fille and broccoli or asparagus if possible and a lil bit of cheese (havarti or mozzarella) 40-45 g
6:15 same as meal 3 45g
9:00 Whey on milk with bread or nothing if cutting 55g



i may take more or less depending on the goal