critique my cycle

[bigmoe5067]

week 1- 75mg tren ed
week 2- 75mg tren ed
week 3-4 75 mg tren ed, 50 mg hemadrol ed
weeks 5-8 75 mg tren ed, 50 mg hemadrol ed, 250iu HCG 3x a week
week 9- HCG 250iu 3x a week
week 10-
week 11- Nolva 40 mg ed
week 12- nolva 40 mg ed
week 13- 30 mg nolva ed
week 14- nolva 20mg ed
end cycle

tren is inject

im pretty confident in this, but am open to suggestions for pct, and HCG usage

[bigmoe5067]

and my personal specs

im 22

this is my first cycle but i am very prepared, and have a decent amount of research and knowledge on the subject. ive been preparing for a while. im aware these are a strong combo, but i wanted to do an aas cycle with someone experienced for my first cycle. and a gym mentor of mine is running this. he knows his shit, but id like a 2nd 3rd 4th 5th and 6th opinion before starting

i weigh 240lbs at maybe 17-20% BF

im doing the dave palumbo bulking diet and ive been taking milk thistle, NAC, cran extract and a choline/ala/dandelion extract liver supp for the last month and i dont drink. im very healthy. i have a ****ing degree in health and wellness and am in grad school at University at Buffalo for exercise science/dietics

[chuckt12345]

Glad you came here first,, start reading the red stickies on the top of this page,,
you and your trainer are way off

[bigmoe5067]

Glad you came here first,, start reading the red stickies on the top of this page,,
you and your trainer are way off

your input is appreciated, but how so?

and yes i will be reading what this website has, but this cycle seems sound to me. tren( 19-nor) heavily androgenic, drives down my test. H-drol keeps it up. starting the HCG during the second half of the cycle seems prescribed by most with a week break before the nolva. i dont see the weakness in it

[chuckt12345]

well around here tren is a no no for first timers and we recommend running test only for first cycle. Hdrol will not keep test levels up. You shut down on that tren and you dont have aftificial test in your system you WILL regret it. Not saying this will happen but i sure as hell wouldnt advice it along with ever other member on here. Just take some time to read and then ask yourself is that is what you wanna do.

[bigmoe5067]

well around here tren is a no no for first timers and we recommend running test only for first cycle. Hdrol will not keep test levels up. You shut down on that tren and you dont have aftificial test in your system you WILL regret it. Not saying this will happen but i sure as hell wouldnt advice it along with ever other member on here. Just take some time to read and then ask yourself is that is what you wanna do.

i figured the h-drol would boost test levels high? isnt that its purpose?

everything i have read on it says it raises test, the only reason i picked the hdrol was to keep my test levels high on the tren... and it seems to be a popular cut stack

if what you are saying is legitimate, then i have to consider getting a better test to go with the tren, or just running the h-drol

[bigmoe5067]

the more i read the more confident i feel that the h-drol will keep my test levels up.. both do not aromatize so gyno is unlikely. also i will have nolva on hand at the beg of the cycle if gyno is an issue, and the HCg during the second half would eliminate the problem.

those 2 are great pcts for getting my natural test back... other than this being an veteran stack, i dont see any problem with it. it seems to be a popular dry cut stack

anyone else have a specific reason why i shouldnt run the two, other than it will shut down you natural test?

[RANA]

the more i read the more confident i feel that the h-drol will keep my test levels up.. both do not aromatize so gyno is unlikely. also i will have nolva on hand at the beg of the cycle if gyno is an issue, and the HCg during the second half would eliminate the problem.

those 2 are great pcts for getting my natural test back... other than this being an veteran stack, i dont see any problem with it. it seems to be a popular dry cut stack

anyone else have a specific reason why i shouldnt run the two, other than it will shut down you natural test?

Doesn't seem like it would do any good, someone tells you why certain things dont work but you say other wise. No reason for me to give you my advice but your mentor does not know what he is taking about!

[CasualDavit]

the more i read the more confident i feel that the h-drol will keep my test levels up..

The opposite is true - it will suppress you test levels, if it were true i am sure everyone would be incorporating it into their pct.

[bigmoe5067]

im not talking about as a pct, im not talking about my natural test.... im just saying to keep my test levels up during the cycle because the tren drives test down during the cycle.... the HCG and nolva are my pct's

even its advertised as "Hemadrol can promote and increase in free testosterone baseline blood levels"

and if you dont agree, what test should i stack my tren with? i dont want something to fill me with water, thats why i wanted the hdrol and tren.. a good dry stack that i can gain and cut on

[CasualDavit]

im not talking about as a pct, im not talking about my natural test.... im just saying to keep my test levels up during the cycle because the tren drives test down during the cycle.... the HCG and nolva are my pct's

even its advertised as "Hemadrol can promote and increase in free testosterone baseline blood levels"

and if you dont agree, what test should i stack my tren with? i dont want something to fill me with water, thats why i wanted the hdrol and tren.. a good dry stack that i can gain and cut on

if its advertised as that then it must be true.

you could stack any low dose test and use an ai to control water

[Kratos]

very bad cycle friend
post cycle is off too

don't do tren

[bigmoe5067]

very bad cycle friend
post cycle is off too

don't do tren

i love the advice given here. no explainations, just opinions not to do so. no scientific back up. "it will shut you down" "bad cycle"


break it down why it is a bad cycle
all steroids in a sense "shut you down"

i just searched tren/hdrol on ************, anabolic minds, this website, and bb.com and i see many people running this both as a cut and as as a bulk dependent on diiet and routine, with many people praising it. im being hazed soley on the fact that this isnt a beginner stack

im not trying to be a dick at all, but when telling me what to do, its much easier for me to head your advice when you have an informative rationale behind it.

i am going to start this, once i truly figure out how to run HCG and nolva as my pct ( i will wait as long as it takes until im confident in my approach). ive done research on ive seen mixed results on whether they should overlap, or not.

and yes i would rather use a low dose test, than the h-drol but this is what i got, i cant afford to have a test shipped out until i get loans for next semester of grad school and i was looking to cut anyway soo....

i apologize for seeming bullheaded but i feel i have a point.

[bigmoe5067]

Halodrol
"(4-chloro-17a-methyl-1,4-diene-3,17 diol)
Halodrol-50 was introduced to the bodybuilding world in 2005 by Gaspari Nutrition and is a prosteroid of Turinabol, the banned East German designer steroid. It is essentially a ?diol? version of Turinabol. The original Halodrol-50 by Gaspari Nutrition may have been the single best selling hormonal product ever sold over the counter in the U.S. during its brief production period. Gaspari discontinued production of Halaodrol-50 in mid 2006 admist governmental pressure. Although Gaspari?s Halodrol-50 is no longer available, there are generic equivalents today such as Competitive Edge Labs H-Drol or EST Hemadrol. The typical dose for products such as H-Drol is 50mg-100mg a day, which equates to one to two tablets daily. This prosteroid is non-aromatizable, and exhibits a greater tendency for anabolic as compared to androgenic effect.
Effects & Side effects: Like the old prohormone 4-AD, this is a 4-en-3b-ol and so should have excellent first-pass conversion to the active compound in the liver. Oral Turinabol (the target hormone) will not aromatize and probably only has a moderate suppressive effect upon the HPTA. There is not a whole lot of literature out there on its anabolic potency, though Vida has it listed as less than one time the anabolic potency as methyltestosterone orally, so this is not the most potent stuff in the world. The Vida data on androgenicity is lacking, but the chemical?s combination of delta 1,2 unsaturation and 4-chloro substitution likely combine to make it pretty low in this regard. As a weak androgen and non-aromatizer, it probably does not have much liver toxicity, although being a 17a-methyl the potential is always there.
Bottom line is this stuff is one of the safer products out there, although dosages of at least 25-50 milligrams a day for men are probably needed for really noticeable effects. These effects nonetheless should be high quality? lean mass with minimal water retention. Chlorodehydromethylandrostenediol is a c17-alpha alkylated compound and is hence, hepatotoxic. Intake of c17-alpha alkylated steroids is commonly limited to 6-8 weeks, in an effort to avoid escalating liver strain. Studies have shown that taking an oral anabolic steroid with food may decrease its bioavailability so prosteroids and prohormones should be taken on an empty stomach"

relatively anabolic, and barely androgenic.... i think i should be fine if i add a high dose of a natural test booster at some point.


while i may have come off as a bit of a dick. i would like to thank everyone for thier input

[chuckt12345]

Halodrol
"(4-chloro-17a-methyl-1,4-diene-3,17 diol)
Halodrol-50 was introduced to the bodybuilding world in 2005 by Gaspari Nutrition and is a prosteroid of Turinabol, the banned East German designer steroid. It is essentially a ?diol? version of Turinabol. The original Halodrol-50 by Gaspari Nutrition may have been the single best selling hormonal product ever sold over the counter in the U.S. during its brief production period. Gaspari discontinued production of Halaodrol-50 in mid 2006 admist governmental pressure. Although Gaspari?s Halodrol-50 is no longer available, there are generic equivalents today such as Competitive Edge Labs H-Drol or EST Hemadrol. The typical dose for products such as H-Drol is 50mg-100mg a day, which equates to one to two tablets daily. This prosteroid is non-aromatizable, and exhibits a greater tendency for anabolic as compared to androgenic effect.
Effects & Side effects: Like the old prohormone 4-AD, this is a 4-en-3b-ol and so should have excellent first-pass conversion to the active compound in the liver. Oral Turinabol (the target hormone) will not aromatize and probably only has a moderate suppressive effect upon the HPTA. There is not a whole lot of literature out there on its anabolic potency, though Vida has it listed as less than one time the anabolic potency as methyltestosterone orally, so this is not the most potent stuff in the world. The Vida data on androgenicity is lacking, but the chemical?s combination of delta 1,2 unsaturation and 4-chloro substitution likely combine to make it pretty low in this regard. As a weak androgen and non-aromatizer, it probably does not have much liver toxicity, although being a 17a-methyl the potential is always there.
Bottom line is this stuff is one of the safer products out there, although dosages of at least 25-50 milligrams a day for men are probably needed for really noticeable effects. These effects nonetheless should be high quality? lean mass with minimal water retention. Chlorodehydromethylandrostenediol is a c17-alpha alkylated compound and is hence, hepatotoxic. Intake of c17-alpha alkylated steroids is commonly limited to 6-8 weeks, in an effort to avoid escalating liver strain. Studies have shown that taking an oral anabolic steroid with food may decrease its bioavailability so prosteroids and prohormones should be taken on an empty stomach"

relatively anabolic, and barely androgenic.... i think i should be fine if i add a high dose of a natural test booster at some point.


while i may have come off as a bit of a dick. i would like to thank everyone for thier input

"only has a moderate suppressive effect upon the HPTA." do you know that means??? do you realized if tren shuts you down your shut down, no if ands or buts. Good luck,, i at least hope its Tren A so when you go nuts it will leave your system faster than tren e

[RANA]

I think you are missing the entire point. People have told you what can happen not what will happen. If you're willing to take a chance go for it, but many here have been dumb enough to run tren without test and have paid the price (many vets). Test boosters, they only help if your natural test is still up.
"Trenbolone, being a powerful progestin, will also shut down natural testosterone production which even a relatively small dose and keep the testosterone level suppressed for an extended period of time, this can lower libido and cause erectile dysfunction (fina dick). It is essential that you always stack trenbolone with testosterone. ?"

I say run your cycle but keep up posted, not so we can say we told you so but so we can see the pros and cons of your cycle. I do wish you the best and hope you dont screw yourself up.

[bigmoe5067]

"only has a moderate suppressive effect upon the HPTA." do you know that means??? do you realized if tren shuts you down your shut down, no if ands or buts. Good luck,, i at least hope its Tren A so when you go nuts it will leave your system faster than tren e

dont all steroids shut you down?

and wouldnt the HCG and nolva be there to start me back up?

and what if i were to run arimadex and say T-bol test booster the whole cycle?

answer me these questions without bias (please and thank yous included), as i am considering postponing this to get some test prop, and doing the h-drol at a later date

[bigmoe5067]

also off the top of your heads. i converted this tren about two weeks ago (got it in the mail a week prior from a vet site), lost the box with the ex. date as i assumed i would be using it relatively soon.... how long do you think it has before it expires if i decide to just to the h-drol now and get the test at a later date to go with the tren

[BJJ]

week 1- 75mg tren ed
week 2- 75mg tren ed
week 3-4 75 mg tren ed, 50 mg hemadrol ed
weeks 5-8 75 mg tren ed, 50 mg hemadrol ed, 250iu HCG 3x a week
week 9- HCG 250iu 3x a week
week 10-
week 11- Nolva 40 mg ed
week 12- nolva 40 mg ed
week 13- 30 mg nolva ed
week 14- nolva 20mg ed
end cycle

tren is inject

im pretty confident in this, but am open to suggestions for pct, and HCG usage

Look I am replying here without having looked at the answer reported by others but I guess I already know...

I cannot give you advices on that compound because, in spite of I studied what it is, I did not run it on my organism.

What I want to show you anyway to help you taking the right direction is this thread about my very first cycle:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398004

If you will have the time and patience to read it throughout, you may change your mind.

Good Luck

[bigmoe5067]

so ive decided, while im pretty confident in that cycle above, i dont want to risk it without a real test. theres no need to play with fire. i got the tren before i got anything else, and felt commited to it, but it can wait

i just going to do the H-drol as my first cycle, then do a test prop/tren/winny cycle a few months after this finishes as a real cut.

might as well get my feet wet first

so my real first cycle
hemadrol-
weeks 1- 50 mg ed
week2-5- 100 mg ed

nolva post cycle 40/40/20/20

with arimadex throughout the cycle

[GREENMACHINE]

75mg ed of tren on a first cycle. Bro pricking yourself isn't fun and take a while to get used to. Not at all convinced you are ready for first cycle. Anyone who suggests a first timer use tren is an asshole. He might be able to talk the talk but he does not have your interest at heart. More than likely he wants to make a quick buck. You really are not ready for this.

[TheBerryhillMonster]

You need test in your system, not a testosterone booster!
Every thread you read here from someone with experience uses a test as the BASE of the cycle.
Listen to the guys that have 2000+ posts odviously they have done their research.