Im using fats pwo!!! OMG!!

[**TOP**]

I know what you are thinking "TOP has been smoking some of damiens edited"

But no actually ive been doing research and implementing this for a while now

and i believe its a better alternative to the pro/carb PWO meal,especially

after cardio. In past years various things have changed in PWO ways of

thinking.My body doesnt react well to carbs so i needed another fuel source

to replace it PWO thus EFA's were incorporated. Having looked into EFA's i

found that they help increase energy production,help us to repair and

manufacture our cell membranes,and ive also read they aid in recovery,

oxygen delivery to muscles, have anti-inflammatory properties,and increase

protein synthesis.In another article i found it suggest Efas are greatly

beneficial for overall health, and perhaps most important to young

bodybuilders, EFA’s promote good circulation. The ability to move increased

amounts of blood to different parts of the body increases the likelihood that

essential amino acids will be delivered to muscle tissue. Especially post-

workout, the ability to move protein-rich blood to the trained area

directly affects whether new muscle growth is initiated and sustained, or not.

Additionally, the increased circulation leads to longer cardio endurance,

better pumps, and more blood being pumped into the muscle group.

Ive been using the Udo's Choice product for a while now and dropped my

carbs significantly, I feel great, energy levels are high, I still get amazing

pumps and only have carbs two maybe three times daily. I highly

reccommend you trying this especially if your goal is cutting!!.All the best....

~TOP~

[yungone501]

Say TOP, pass that reefer!

[tboney]

I use Udos....good stuff!

[Narkissos]

Welcome to 2006.

[**TOP**]

Welcome to 2006.

Wow thanks for that! It helped alot!

[yungone501]

If bulking, is it not smarter to stick with pro/carbs/fat?

[energizer bunny]

C Bino has been preaching this for a while now........still good stuff though TOP......and im a fan of Udos aswell..........tastes like shit but i can handel it not like fish oil (i know its better for you/better source of EFAs) but it turns my stomache!! lol

[Damienm05]

Ok Top, you've just made my diet dilemma significantly more difficult, weed aside. I'm just coming off a successful keto diet, as I posted about before. I am adding back carbs slowly and planning my 1st injection of 1st cycle for monday. I am yet to add back pwo carbs and honestly, I don't want to. I want to make the most out of my training and gear but like you, I've never needed more than oats in the am for fuel. I don't respond well to carbs and the only reason I eat them as part of my BB diets is to gain, period. So, the question is - does this pro/fat rule still apply if the goal is to gain like crazy?

[**TOP**]

If bulking, is it not smarter to stick with pro/carbs/fat?

Are you asking about PWO or throughout the day?

Ok Top, you've just made my diet dilemma significantly more difficult, weed aside. I'm just coming off a successful keto diet, as I posted about before. I am adding back carbs slowly and planning my 1st injection of 1st cycle for monday. I am yet to add back pwo carbs and honestly, I don't want to. I want to make the most out of my training and gear but like you, I've never needed more than oats in the am for fuel. I don't respond well to carbs and the only reason I eat them as part of my BB diets is to gain, period. So, the question is - does this pro/fat rule still apply if the goal is to gain like crazy?

After working out you need a fuel source period,whether it be carb or fat. You can add excessive carbs all you want but it doesnt mean you will lean bulk any faster, it has to be a delicate balance. If your TDEE id 2800 and you add an extra 1000 from carbs that is not a bulk cycle thats a fat ass cycle waiting to happen. I have stuck with my 2 carbs a day diet and added fats that took the place of my old carb routine and ive gained around 6 lbs thats steady and not fluctuating,while my bodyfat is not running wild. So keep your keto diet ,add slowly, and make the gains!

[Damienm05]

What meals do you do carbs? I'm assuming your 1st and pre-workout?

[Narkissos]

C Bino has been preaching this for a while now........

As have I.

It really isn't anything new.

[Narkissos]

It helped alot!

Let me help some more: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=341121

[newbie-screwbie]

As have I.

It really isn't anything new.

Let the man have his moment in the sun. Not everyone has seen your useful information. I will admit the first time I was told about this was from TOP. But I do know from going through old posts that you have been preechin this for a while also!

[newbie-screwbie]

Let me help some more: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=341121

Excellent

[collar]

I have used efa for years now straight after cardio.
I find it very effective and works great for me.

[**TOP**]

Let the man have his moment in the sun. Not everyone has seen your useful information. I will admit the first time I was told about this was from TOP. But I do know from going through old posts that you have been preechin this for a while also!

Its kind of the only reason i wrote it,there are still thousands of people that dont know this,HELL, in any given day you can walk in the diet section and find a thread that has someone with everything in there diet wrong! But i guess im not suppose to post things that i think about sharing with others due to it being old news to someone else!

[Narkissos]

Let the man have his moment in the sun. Not everyone has seen your useful information. I will admit the first time I was told about this was from TOP. But I do know from going through old posts that you have been preechin this for a while also!

Let me put it in perspective.

The reason why newer members get mislead by members they see as 'gurus', is because these individuals start threads like these... pushing info like if they're the originators. These guys do NOT give credit as to the source of the info... as any respectable individual would.

Next thing you know, we have another dedic8ted1/Juturna situation on board.

It really is ridiculous.

[**TOP**]

I have no idea what ive done to piss you off so bad NARK! I simply was posting something that i have been asked about lately. I will be the first person to tell you i dont know everything ,but,if i dont know the answer i will help find the answer.I can assure you im no jo-blow thats spewing nutrition knowledge just to look like a "GURU" I work in orthopaedic sports medicine and i own a personal training company locally.I have come as far as i have on diet without the use of AAS.Personally i think ive done better than alot of steroid users i have seen. When i started i had no one to help me out,everything i learned its been by trial and error. Im just here tryin to help others to have someone to help instead of guessing! So please stop trying to pawn me off like one of the "now banned mebers" that you speak of!...TOP

Also if there is anyone here that would like me to stop giving advice or thinks i have given bad advice in the past please SPEAK UP and i will be silent!!

[Narkissos]

I have no idea what ive done to piss you off so bad NARK! I simply was posting something that i have been asked about lately. I will be the first person to tell you i dont know everything ,but,if i dont know the answer i will help find the answer.I can assure you im no jo-blow thats spewing nutrition knowledge just to look like a "GURU" I work in orthopaedic sports medicine and i own a personal training company locally.I have come as far as i have on diet without the use of AAS.Personally i think ive done better than alot of steroid users i have seen. When i started i had no one to help me out,everything i learned its been by trial and error. Im just here tryin to help others to have someone to help instead of guessing! So please stop trying to pawn me off like one of the "now banned mebers" that you speak of!...TOP

Clearly you have comprehension issues. I'd suggest you step off your soap box and save the overly dramatic responses.

I stated my position plainly: Respectable members post the source of their info.

Difficult?

No.

Also if there is anyone here that would like me to stop giving advice or thinks i have given bad advice in the past please SPEAK UP and i will be silent!!

Oh my word. Drama-much?

btw:

I have no idea what ive done to piss you off so bad NARK!

I'm not pissed.

What I am is bored with members riding on others' coattails.

You wouldn't go on PubMed, dig up a study, and then claim to have come up with a concept... right? (Well... I should hope not. :|)

It's a simple matter of:
a. respecting your sources of information and,
b. respecting your community.

[**TOP**]

I love you too NARK!

[JinNtonic]

wow seriously?

[Damienm05]

Maybe it's just me but I found it quite evident in reading Top's initial post that he was referring to this diet concept as it relates to HIM. A far cry from preaching the concept as his own and suggesting it as such.

[audis4]

Clearly you have comprehension issues. I'd suggest you step off your soap box and save the overly dramatic responses.

I stated my position plainly: Respectable members post the source of their info.

Difficult?

No.



Oh my word. Drama-much?

btw:



I'm not pissed.

What I am is bored with members riding on others' coattails.

You wouldn't go on PubMed, dig up a study, and then claim to have come up with a concept... right? (Well... I should hope not. :|)

It's a simple matter of:
a. respecting your sources of information and,
b. respecting your community.

[Guyr62]

So what is being suggested here is protein/ EFA's, post cardio and post weight training in a fat cutting phase. Correct?

[big_k]

Just say No to pwo insuline spike

[**TOP**]

So what is being suggested here is protein/ EFA's, post cardio and post weight training in a fat cutting phase. Correct?

Correct but its also used in my bulk cycle also. I sip on BCAAs during workout then after its pro/fat after that i use pro/fat again then go to sleep for the night.
Also this article "TO ME" is a wonderful incentive to STOP using carbs PWO..

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/md92.htm

[Guyr62]

So Top,
Are you consuming any complex carbs during your daily nutrition cycle and if so how many and where are you working them in? Sounds like you are restricting your carb intake to about 30 to 50 grams per day. Great read by the way! I think I will follow your lead and drop the MAX ACM for udo's choice, post workout.
Thanks!
Mike

[**TOP**]

Mike i always have 80 grams carbs in my first meal i also have a sweet potato in meal 4 and meal 6 is 1.5 hours before workout so i usually have 1 cup of rice and thats all for the day i have fats with every meal exept my carb meals. Also protein is present in everymeal....TOP

[Guyr62]

Thanks Top! I work in Sweet potatos and oatmeal every day. I have to be a bit more carb restrictive, so I will keep my total carbs at around 80 for now. We will see how it goes.
Mike

[**TOP**]

Thanks Top! I work in Sweet potatos and oatmeal every day. I have to be a bit more carb restrictive, so I will keep my total carbs at around 80 for now. We will see how it goes.
Mike

Mike what are your stats? I am by no means saying you need OR dont need 80 grams carbs in a meal im just sayin its what im doing. What works for me wont work for jay cutler or my mother for instance...UNDERSTAND??

[POPS]

Mike what are your stats? I am by no means saying you need OR dont need 80 grams carbs in a meal im just sayin its what im doing. What works for me wont work for jay cutler or my mother for instance...UNDERSTAND??

Top, you had to bring your mother in on this one?? lol!!

Anyways, I have had Top helping me out for the past month or so on the concept of pro/fats and it is working for me. The only time I intake complex carbs is oats with my bfast and broccoil with dinner. Every other meal is protein with either natty p.b. or fish oil. Tuesday is my cardio only day so I do not intake any carbs.

Youll just have to try it out for a few weeks and see what happens. Believe me, if it wasnt working for me I would have to try something else....

[Guyr62]

Top,

I think you may have misunderstood. 100 carbs per day has been working fairly well for me. I could never do 80 carbs in one meal. By incorperating more EFA's, I will reduce my carbs down to 70 to 80 PER DAY. I have managed to lose 32 lbs in 11 weeks. Aproximately 28 lbs of fat and 4 lbs of muscle. To further reduce muscle loss during my extreme cutting phase, I am thinking this protein/EFA's system might protect more muscle as I continue to lose 3 lbs of fat per week. Anyway, here are my current stats.

47 years old
5'10"
234 Total Weight
175 LBM

2100 cal per day
250 protien
100 carbs
40 EFA's

Sat and Sun.... 2600 cal./ 250 pro/ 150 carbs/ 60 fats...some cheating, but not overboard.

2 hour long cardios per day at 65 to 70% Once first thing in the morning on empty stomach (exept water and ECA) One cardio in the evening. (M-Sat.)

Weight training (M-F) at noon 1 hour to 1.25 hours per day.

Each muscle group trained once per week.

Meals

1) post cardio/ 6:30 AM/ Low carb protein shake w Glutamine/fish oil and a dab of Natural PB.
2) breakfast/ 9:30 AM/ Egg whites, turkey, oats
3) post work out/ 12:30PM/ Low Carb Protein shake wGlutamine/Fish oil and a dab of PB.
4) Lunch /3:30 pm/ Chicken, lean beef, salmon or tuna/ Sweet potato/ Spinach salad
5) Post evening cardio/6:30 pm/ Low carb protein shake w glutamine/fish oil, dab PB.
6) Dinner/ 9:30 pm/ chicken salad Light on the dressing! No carbs.


Here are the basics. If you need additional info, let me know.

Thanks for all your input TOP!

Mike

[Left Hook]

Let me put it in perspective.

The reason why newer members get mislead by members they see as 'gurus', is because these individuals start threads like these... pushing info like if they're the originators. These guys do NOT give credit as to the source of the info... as any respectable individual would.

Next thing you know, we have another dedic8ted1/Juturna situation on board.

It really is ridiculous.

Im must be missing something? Can you tell me how hes doing on of this? Im not following you. With all due respect?

[mg1228]

TOP, how many grams of fat do you recommend pwo?

[mg1228]

and what if u workout after breakfast does this matter or shoukd u use carbs this early in the day?

[Dukkit]

i have fats in every meal.
along with carbs. i still have abs. its all in how and when you use them. nothing special

[FireGuy]

i have fats in every meal.
along with carbs. i still have abs. its all in how and when you use them. nothing special

Amen.

[mg1228]

thats what i was asking basically--how when how much

[Narkissos]

i have fats in every meal.
along with carbs. i still have abs. its all in how and when you use them. nothing special

bingo