Diet on Test E Cut

[chrisworrell]

Alright im on a 16 week cycle that begins with test e for 10 weeks then goes into a clen/t3 cycle.

In the past 4 months ive dropped about 35 pounds strictly diet and exercise at a 1200 calorie deficit with an EC stack.

I plan on a 40/40/20 diet but now I have the question of how many calories should i be consuming. Aiming for 1.75g/lbm of protein

My current plan is:

1-10 - Test E two shots weekly 250
9-10 / 12-13 / 15-16 - Clenbuterol at 100 a day
9-12 - T3 at 50 a day
13-16 - Clomid at 100 a day for 2 weeks, 50 a day for 2 weeks
13-16 - Nolvadex at 40/day for 2 weeks, 20/day for 2 weeks

1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Ramp up Clen 60 80 100 100 100 100 100
Ramp up T3 12.5 12.5 25 50 50 50 50
Ramp down T3 50 50 50 50 25 12.5 12.5

I am trying to cut down and lean out, using the test to counteract and catabolic tendencies of the T3 and Clenbuterol. On the off weeks of the clen I will be doing a simple EC stack (25mg/400mg).

Since there are many different sections I have a feeling there might be a couple different answers depending on what week I am in. I have had a very structured diet and for the past 3 months have counted every last calorie I have eaten, focusing mainly on chicken, tuna, eggs, and brown rice.

My maintanence calories is around 2500-2600
Caloric Requirements:
1. The initial Test stage with nothing but an EC stack: ? (eat at maintanence?)
2. Test, T3, and Clen: ? (eat 500 over?)
3. Test, Clen: ? (eat 250 over?)
4. Clen: ? (eat at maintanence?)

In paranthesis is my current guess but im really going on nothing here so I would love some input

Im not one for cheat days and I dont plan on having any (i personally love the food I have been eating) so that is not an issue.

Also do you guys tend to recommend to eat a little extra on days that I workout or should I just keep it consistent (maybe add 300 calories to days that I am in the gym?)

I know lots of little questions in here, but this is my first cycle and I am always very interested in knowing everything that I possibly can about proper nutrition and make sure that I am giving my body everything it needs. Not on a cycle im practically a diet expert but when it comes to being on a cycle and using a cycle of clen and t3 im a complete noob, and I want to make sure I am doing it correctly.

I have tried to research it the best I can but its kinda hard to find a similar situation and answer to what I am lookin

If its any help my stats:
Age: 24
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 175
BF%: ~15 (last time checked in body pod I was 185 and at 17.9% which was about a month and a week ago)

Let me know if you need any more information, or hell if someone is very good with this and can chat a little more in depth via aim or other chat service I would love to pick your brain for a little while.

Current Diet: (The amounts dont really matter because I am going to alter them to match caloric needs)

Breakfast: 1 whole egg, 3 eggs whites on two pieces of whole wheat toast with a slice of cheddar cheese on each. 1 scoop whey protein. multivitamin

Pre-Lunch: Half cup brown rice and can of tuna

Lunch: 6oz chicken breast, 4oz green beans, 4oz sweet potato, 1tbsp peanut butter

Pre-Workout: half cup brown rice and a can of tuna. 1 serving creatine

Post-Workout: 2 scoops whey and a gatorade

Dinner: 6oz steak and large dinner salad with fat free dressing.


Thank you for any help

--Chris

[Damienm05]

Alright im on a 16 week cycle that begins with test e for 10 weeks then goes into a clen/t3 cycle.

In the past 4 months ive dropped about 35 pounds strictly diet and exercise at a 1200 calorie deficit with an EC stack.

I plan on a 40/40/20 diet but now I have the question of how many calories should i be consuming.

My current plan is:

1-10 - Test E two shots weekly 250
9-10 / 12-13 / 15-16 - Clenbuterol at 100 a day
9-12 - T3 at 50 a day
13-16 - Clomid at 100 a day for 2 weeks, 50 a day for 2 weeks
13-16 - Nolvadex at 40/day for 2 weeks, 20/day for 2 weeks

1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Ramp up Clen 60 80 100 100 100 100 100
Ramp up T3 12.5 12.5 25 50 50 50 50
Ramp down T3 50 50 50 50 25 12.5 12.5

I am trying to cut down and lean out, using the test to counteract and catabolic tendencies of the T3 and Clenbuterol. On the off weeks of the clen I will be doing a simple EC stack (25mg/400mg).

Since there are many different sections I have a feeling there might be a couple different answers depending on what week I am in. I have had a very structured diet and for the past 3 months have counted every last calorie I have eaten, focusing mainly on chicken, tuna, eggs, and brown rice.

My maintanence calories is around 2500-2600
Caloric Requirements:
1. The initial Test stage with nothing but an EC stack: ? (eat at maintanence?)
2. Test, T3, and Clen: ? (eat 500 over?)
3. Test, Clen: ? (eat 250 over?)
4. Clen: ? (eat at maintanence?)

In paranthesis is my current guess but im really going on nothing here so I would love some input

Im not one for cheat days and I dont plan on having any (i personally love the food I have been eating) so that is not an issue.

Also do you guys tend to recommend to eat a little extra on days that I workout or should I just keep it consistent (maybe add 300 calories to days that I am in the gym?)

I know lots of little questions in here, but this is my first cycle and I am always very interested in knowing everything that I possibly can about proper nutrition and make sure that I am giving my body everything it needs. Not on a cycle im practically a diet expert but when it comes to being on a cycle and using a cycle of clen and t3 im a complete noob, and I want to make sure I am doing it correctly.

I have tried to research it the best I can but its kinda hard to find a similar situation and answer to what I am lookin

If its any help my stats:
Age: 24
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 175
BF%: ~15 (last time checked in body pod I was 185 and at 17.9% which was about a month and a week ago)

Let me know if you need any more information, or hell if someone is very good with this and can chat a little more in depth via aim or other chat service I would love to pick your brain for a little while.

Current Diet: (The amounts dont really matter because I am going to alter them to match caloric needs)

Breakfast: 1 whole egg, 3 eggs whites on two pieces of whole wheat toast with a slice of cheddar cheese on each. 1 scoop whey protein No need for whey here. No cheese. Eat 10 egg whites. Make sure to use swedish grain bread or ezekiel, most grocery store wheat bread will not stack up to other sources of carbs. IMO, eat oats for breakfast. 1 cup in water.

Pre-Lunch: Half cup brown rice and can of tuna Make sure you're using a healthy fat like olive oil to moisten up that tuna, not mayo.

Lunch: 6oz chicken breast, 4oz green beans, 4oz sweet potato, 1tbsp peanut butter Nice.

Pre-Workout: half cup brown rice and a can of tuna You're hurting for veg and healthy sources of fat, especially in this meal. Cook 2 cups of green beans w/ extra virgin olive oil or have some almonds or go pick up a natural 3, 6, 9 blend from your local health food store and start incorporating that.

Post-Workout: 2 scoops whey and a gatorade No gatorade man, it's just sugar. Learn to love water, especially during and PWO. The ultimate no-no when cutting. Some would argue that a small portion of fruit is advisable PWO (not post cardio) but for the most part, cut the sugar and lose bf%.

Dinner: 6oz steak and large dinner salad with fat free dressing. Make sure it's sugar-free too. Often times they have lots of honey and such. IMO, just use evoo and balsamic for moisture, no dressing. Add some dijon and cracked pepper; you've got a vinaigrette. Make sure this is a lean cut too, flat iron or flank (cut across the grain) are good salad steaks. Also, you need mixed greens, not just typical lettuce like romaine or iceberg; it has no nutritional value.

Before bed: Have a caseinate meal. Cottage cheese or casein powder shake. Both work well w/ another serving of natural PB.


Thank you for any help

--Chris

Get your stats up, as well as BMR and TDEE for more advanced help. Look for the bold corrections. It seems strict but your on AAS and need to make the most of it. I've made changes based on your current diet, though bearing in mind that you need more EFA's, more veggies, and less empty cals; a complete overhaul would help.

[chrisworrell]

actually i do put a tbsp of olive oil in the brown rice and tuna, forget to list that. Yea i never touch mayo anymore . I will definitely add some almonds, not sure I wanna add more green beans to my diet, not exactly a HUGE fan of them heh.

Thank you very much I will definitely use your advice to fix my diet.

Now with that all I need is an idea of the amount of calories I need


but ... the gatorade....it has what we want...yea it has...electrolytes....heh (yea ill drop it just had to reference idiocracy)

[chrisworrell]

if you dont mind me asking what is natural 3, 6, 9?

[chrisworrell]

oh and thanks for killing the thing that made breakfast taste good /cry lol

[Damienm05]

o*ega-3,6, 9 EFA's. I take capsules w/ on-the-go meals and breakfast. Haha, as for ruining breakfast I just try to think of it as "worth it" and sometimes I do slip up and add some cheese to those eggs. Think of your body as the world's crops in Idiocracy, gatorade can only serve to f*ck sh*t up. Let's take a step back though. You need to figure our your BMR (this is the basal metabolic rate of your body. Assuming you were inactive all day, your body would burn these many calories). Once you've figured out your BMR, u need your TDEE (this is your total daily energy expenditure, it's based upon your activity level). There are plenty of accurate online calculators for both but you need to know your measurements and get pretty close estimate on bf%. This will dictate the cals we wanna shoot for based on your goals.

[chrisworrell]

a month and a half ago it was 1843 calories with sedentiary activity being 2359 for maintanence, low active being 2783, active being 3207.

I hate cardio I dont do it, sorry I know its a good thing but i lost 35 pounds with just diet and lifting and was happy with how quick i did. I despise cardio (im a smoker and that isnt changing anytime soon well it maybe depends on how this new girl i met goes but thats besides the point)

Aside from going to the gym either 3 or 4 times a week my activity level is relatively low, when im at the gym i lift very hard, lots of compound lifts squats, deadlifts, powercleans, etc i sweat alot. I spend alot of time on the computer and alot of time in class just drafting.

Those numbers came from when i was 17.9%bf and about 10 pounds heavier than what I am right now. I would assume I am somewhere around 16% right now. Lemme get a picture up in a second trying to clean through my camera.

The numbers came from the bod pod. I do believe they are VERY accurate, i followed the instructions to a T to get the most accurate reading. No food 4 hours before, no water 2 hours before.

[chrisworrell]

oh lord i just found some really ****ing creepy pictures of me.....and i dont remember them.....deleted.

edit: alcohol can be a very very dangerous thing

[chrisworrell]

Where I am at as of today

looking at pics im guessing in the ballpark of 16-17%?

[chrisworrell]

and yea in this thread can we avoid any comment about me not being "physically" set to do this, already got into a discussion on that elsewhere heh.

Its a cut not a bulk, there is great muscle hiding under there i know it and im gonna find it by spring break thats for damn sure

[Damienm05]

No one is gonna flame you. What's done is done and you'll see some great gains w/ the right diet/training. I've gotta run to work but these guys will help you sort it out for sure.

[chrisworrell]

Thank you for all the help

Now anyone here able to throw me a little advice on where I should set my calories at when it comes to the clen and the sort. I highly doubt my usual 1200-1300 calorie intake will be anything but good for this cutting cycle.

My thoughts for an effective cut obviously are to stick right around maintanence and let the clen/t3 pull that down to a deficit and the test save the muscle