Poppin' the cherry...my first cycle

[onemachine]

Age: 24
Height: 5'5"
Weight: 175 lbs
BF: 17%
Been lifting for 3 years.

I'm planning my first cycle for January. Here it is:

WK 1-10: 750 mg TEST E *per week
WK 1-10: 600 mg EQ *per week
WK 1-6: 25 mg DIANABOL *daily
WK 1-12: 400 IU HCG *every 5th day
WK 1-16: .25 mg ARIMIDEX *EOD
WK 1-12: 10 mg NOLVA *daily

PCT

WK 13: 40 mg NOLVA and 100 mg CLOMID *daily
WK 14: 30 mg NOLVA and 50 mg CLOMID *daily
WK 15: 20 mg NOLVA and 50 mg CLOMID *daily
WK 16: 10 mg NOLVA

...

My biggest question right now is whether to do something like 500-1000 IU HCG E3D during PCT. Experienced advice is appreciated.

[PistolStarta]

You dont need Nolva daily, and HCG is not mandatory. IMO You only need 500mg of Test E for 1-10 week. Drop EQ and don't taper your PCT so fast 40/40/20/20, 100/100/50/50.
Your BF is way to high also.

[Aizen Sosuke]

That's a bit strong for a first cycle. You don't need that much test or boldenone for that matter. I'd bring the test down to the 400-600mg range as suggested. The arimidex is a good idea but save the nolvadex for pct. As far as dbol that's a good dose I just don't think you'll need to use it for 6 weeks since the test will start doing it's thing at around week 4. And last but not least are you aware of the higher risks associated with a higher bodyfat.

[Chev]

Why do people think it takes all that to grow? i just dont get it.

[N2Deep]

I made the mistake of doing a cycle with my BF around where you are and would strongly recomend lossing some of the BF before you start. Listen to PistalStarta. You will be much happier in the long run.

[thebigfella]

why wot hapend to u n2deep

[N2Deep]

My body responded much better when my BF was lower. "Estrogen loves fat and fat love estrogen" FireGuy on this forum loves that saying and its true. After cycling with lower BF and seeing the response from my body its night and day. Was fighting gyno before but no problems now.

[onemachine]

I can cut down to 160 (lose 14 lbs fat) by the second week of January which is 6 weeks away. At this weight I will be very close to 10% bodyfat.

Aizen, what do you think about this:

Dropping TEST E to 600 mg/wk
Dropping EQ to 400 mg/wk

Also, I can drop Nolva on cycle. Would you recommend taking it if gyno appears mid-cycle?

And DBOL def just 4 or 5 weeks...that was a typo.

Thanks...keep the suggestions comin!

[Aizen Sosuke]

Drop the equipoise as well. You will get huge on test and dbol. Remember arimidex on cycle at .25mg/EOD. You shouldn't get gyno if you do this and your body fat is lower, but you never know. In the unfortunate case you still get it then yeah nolvadex should be started.

[onemachine]

Drop the equipoise as well. You will get huge on test and dbol. .

I should drop the EQ just because this is my first cycle??

Oh, does anyone have any experience or knowledge with HCG on cycle AND during PCT with Nolva and Clomid?

[ghettoboyd]

Is this just because this is my first cycle?

that and the fact that if you take more than one compound, when sides appear how will you know what compound is causing it.....thats why most do test only first to see how they react to it and learn what sides they will experience.....then add other aas in future cycles....

[ghettoboyd]

and hcg is normaly run during the cycle not during pct f.y.i......

[onemachine]

Good point bout the EQ, ghetto.

I read somewhere that HCG during PCT in higher doses (500-1000 IU) and more frequently like E3D helps bring your balls back faster but there wasn't much of any evidence -- just speculation. If I dont find out any other firm reasoning behind HCG during PCT I will drop it but keep it on cycle.

[Dont wanna be old]

Whats the final cycle determination ?

Currently I see stretch mark scars in your future .

You need to drop some BF , or the water retention will be irritating .

I think you would do better with straight test and drop the orals .

First time you'll do fine keeping it simple .

I don't believe using hcg the first couple weeks will net any benefit.

[onemachine]

Okay, here's my tentative cycle:

WK 1-10: 600 mg TEST E *per week
WK 1-6: 25 mg DIANABOL *daily
WK 1-12: 400 IU HCG *every 5th day
WK 1-16: .25 mg ARIMIDEX *EOD

PCT

WK 13: 40 mg NOLVA and 100 mg CLOMID *daily
WK 14: 30 mg NOLVA and 50 mg CLOMID *daily
WK 15: 20 mg NOLVA and 50 mg CLOMID *daily
WK 16: 20 mg NOLVA

[onemachine]

I absolutely wont start until I am 160 lbs or less which is around 10% bodyfat.

I don't like the idea of dropping DBOL...

[Aizen Sosuke]

Okay, here's my tentative cycle:

WK 1-10: 600 mg TEST E *per week
WK 1-6: 25 mg DIANABOL *daily
WK 1-12: 400 IU HCG *every 5th day
WK 1-16: .25 mg ARIMIDEX *EOD

PCT

WK 13: 40 mg NOLVA and 100 mg CLOMID *daily
WK 14: 30 mg NOLVA and 50 mg CLOMID *daily
WK 15: 20 mg NOLVA and 50 mg CLOMID *daily
WK 16: 20 mg NOLVA

Perfect. If you still experience shrinkage then up the dose of hcg or inject it more frequent. Same with the arimidex. If the bloat, acne or gyno seem to appear bump it to .25mg/ed.

[thehalfbreed]

imo, idk if you would need the hcg on the first cycle. You're gonads don't take that much damage within your first cycle, from everything i've read on here and from what me and friends have experienced. Maybe your second cycle you may need it all depending on the test/deca dosage. aizen's breakdown looks good!