Guys, thanks for the replies.
@ Twist - I didn't re-quote the entire post so i'll just retype your responses and my answer(s) below. Please note up front that I am in no way arguing with anything you're saying, I'm simply questioning because I'm someone who likes to know why I'm doing something rather than blindly following. Ok, now that's out of the way! =)
$$$$I am the same way
****not the best idea... at all. make hard boiled eggs and eat four as soon as you wake. find a way****
I assume you mean the whole egg and not just the whites, right? If so, that's roughly 24g protein and 20g fat. If the idea is to have energy for the workout an hour later, wouldn't carbs be the preferred fuel source? On another note - I know I'm relying way too much on shakes vs. real food right now, but would 4:30am be one time in the day where this is acceptable, under the logic that something is better than nothing? I can easily handle the shake at that hour, not so sure about 4 cold eggs, BUT if I have to I will - I am definitely willing to put in the work and make the necessary changes to get what I want.
$$$$IMO this is a perfect time for a shake. eggs are quickly digesting so it is better to take them because they will give you a better reaction than just the shake. **** it do both. The point in working out in the morning is that your glycogen levels are depleted so you are just burning through calories (fat muscle etc) like crazy, without using food sources for energy. In your case it might be ok to have carbs in your shake but don't go adding sugar or using a mass gainer shake. stick to the normal stuff. I jsut said eggs because I assumed you didn't want to sit there and cook veggies or what not. You could also eat a can of tuna if you are the type who can do that in the am. But you don't need carbs.
****following a empty stomach workout with fake food... no gains****
Really? I've read in alot of places that PWO is one time you would want to take a whey shake due to it's fast absorption/availability of amino acids vs. other protein sources. What about the cottage cheese and yogurt, are they ok? The yogurt hardly has any protein but my main reason for using it is the simple carbs PWO to spike insulin, etc. If the protein shake is no good, what would you suggest instead? Bear in mind i'm sitting in my truck in the gym parking lot at 7:15am before work - not at home (no ability to cook anything, etc.) - that is another big reason for the 'convenient' food.
$$$$insulin can be very useful if you are spiking it artificially (sc injection) but I don't think it makes much of a difference whether you have that spike or not. also everyone is different so you don't even know if you are getting that spike to the degree it would be useful. My issue is that at this time you have not eaten a real meal. You need to put some food in your body. I might be saying something different if this was your third or fourth meal of the day... Most people I know who practice what they preach and are big guys eat food after they workout.
****waiting for the real meals. get rid of this one.****
Ok, here I understand why you're against the shakes. I can get some real food in at this point. However, what is the issue with the oatmeal? I thought it would be a good whole grain slow burning energy source. I'm open for suggestions for this meal! =)
$$$$I will have to see where this is in the diet because the whole thing was not quoted.
****drop the potato, do pro/fat and drop the apple****
Dropping the potato wouldn't be a bad idea considering my low activity level all day long. What fats would you suggest instead? (sorry i'm so ignorant about fats - it's been so burned into my brain that fats are bad although I know on an intellectual level the right ones are good)
$$$$look up Essential Fatty Acid Source on google
****not again...****
LoL, point taken! =) I'll replace this with 8oz ground turkey @ roughly 48g protein.
$$$$and some good fats maybe. once again idk where this is in the diet.
****good meal! (one of two meals total)****
FINALLY I got something right!!!
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****do I need to comment?****
Not even a little bit, I get it - relying way too much on shakes. I would need to find something quick and relatively light that I don't have to cook at this hour as i'm already half passed out.
$$$$teach yourself to eat. eat cuz you have to. Food is a tool
****then you need a new diet sir****
That's why i'm here! So based on your replies, my understanding is:
Start eating real food as protein sources instead of protein shakes. However can I assume a shake or 2 a day is ok, as a supplement to the meals?
$$$$supplement is correct. when would you take a vitamin? after a workout, in the morning when you wake up, and at night before you go to bed. Would you replace a meal with a vitamin? NO, because it is a supplement.
Take in less carbs and more fat - I do want to reiterate here, and I can't stress enough - that I have alot of bodyfat and while I DO want to grow muscle and bulk up (lean mass), I don't want to do it at the expense of putting on anymore bodyfat. If anything I am trying to dramatically reduce my BFP.
$$$$That is the goal sir. I honestly do not think that the body starts killing muscle drastically until you start cutting into the last reserves of fat, but to be safe I put that "safe reserves" percentage at 10%. For me it is 7.5%. When I can see veins in my abs then I know I need to change the diet and cardio to adapt to shedding the last few stubborn pounds (or even just maintaining)
I am very interested to hear some food suggestions, particularly the fats to replace carbs. Thank you again for reading and taking the time to help me out!
$$$$steak is a pro/ fat meal, tuna and light mayo, chicken and pb = all not the best fats
fish and some ***** 3 caps, any protein and evoo, o3-6-9, many others to list. almond butter etc. I stick with the same few as I have no problem with fats in my diet but C-Bino and Narkissos probably know tons and tons of great fat/protein combinations. Just google it.
PS - I will post some pics ASAP, as embarrasing as that will be...
$$$$you can pm me or fireguy or top or anyone who knows what they are talking about a pic. Keep in mind that most everyone on here is in the same boat as you, otherwise you would see them in their avy.
~George
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