Good Supplament stack? or just a waste of time and money?

[A7X]

I am 20 years old i been lifting for 2 years. im 5foot9 inches and im 163lbs. i was at 170 but i moved to the dominican republic i got sick down there and droped a lil weight but im back in action im fixing my diet right now and my work out but was looking at some of the supplaments i used to take and was wondering if they actualy do anything. heres the list
BSN true mass for my calories and protein drink usaly 2-3 times a day
N.O. Explod befor work out
Muscle Tech Inravol for during work out

those any good? or just a waste of money? i was also thinking of switching the N.O. Explod for just a creatin drink and my be just take some N.O. pills...

also i done a cycle of spawn about 6 months ago but i hear its been taken off the shelves... is there any thing out that is comparable to spawn?

and has anyone heard of Force Factor? heres the website to it... i searched on the fourm and couldnt find anything about it http://www.forcefactor.com/?nid=5&Pub=3192&Combo=5781

thank you

[elpropiotorvic]

if u were to make them urself would be alot cheaper...they are just a lot of marketing...

[A7X]

make urself? u mean like just having like a really good diet?

[elpropiotorvic]

well I said make them urself as in buy bulk aminos...bulk whey...bulk casein...caffeine pills..AAKG..beta alanine and all that stuff....I HAD assumed that ur diet was there.

[A7X]

ok i see what u mean now. wheres the best place to buy them? and does brand matter much?

[Kibble]

I don't think he is quite ready to start making his own supplements lol. A7X, virtually 99% of prohormones have been taken off the shelves. The remaining supply is basically gone. Ditch the NO Xplode. If you want energy and all that, try Jack3d. It is a lot cheaper and workes far better. For Intravol, try Xtend. It tastes great. In place of the BSN, try to buy sheaper, bulk protein. You are too young for prohormones anyway

[A7X]

what exctly is bulk protein? i was told that the BSN truemass was for bulking... was that jsut the sales guy getting to me?? and being 20 i need to stay away for prohormones? what is a good age to start trying them? Does that Jack3d have creatin in it to?? or would a tub of Micronized Creatine Monohydrate be best to get and take with that?
and thx for all the help

[Kibble]

Jack3d does have creatine. I would still take 5g a day, since you only use jack3d on workout days. The best way to describe bulk protein would be.... get at least 10 pounds of protein, and get the cheapest one. You can get 10 pounds of protein for like $55 in some cases. It will not be Dunkin DOnuts strawberry swirl flavor. Just drink it up and be a man. Yeah definately wait until you are 25 before prohormones. Those are actually steroids.... just marketed as OTC test boosters. Bro wait until you are 25. If you spend the next 5 years using nothing but protein and creatine... then you will have an amazing base to work off of. And then you can decide if AAS is right for you. Just wait bro. I did, and I could not be happier

[*El Diablo*]

TO the original Poster, PM a member on this board called "narkissos" he will point u in the right direction. He is one of the members on this board with which u can go with.... Trust me u cant go wrong.

[oak2429]

i like both products u are using. if you like them then stick with them. i love no explode

[oak2429]

and as far as force factor goes its creatine free. i like that no explode has creatine in it

[A7X]

i apologize for this question... it might be a dumb one...
but im looking at protien on Discount suplaments and ill find some that are 10 pounds and relativly cheap but they dont tell me how many grams of protine carbs or fat there are in a serving or anything like that... what kinda protein are u guys using? I have been watching some videos on the diet forum and i got a lil question about protien now... whats the differance between isolated whey and consentrated whey protein?

[DarnGoodLookin]

i apologize for this question... it might be a dumb one...
but im looking at protien on Discount suplaments and ill find some that are 10 pounds and relativly cheap but they dont tell me how many grams of protine carbs or fat there are in a serving or anything like that... what kinda protein are u guys using? I have been watching some videos on the diet forum and i got a lil question about protien now... whats the differance between isolated whey and consentrated whey protein?

get some dymatize mega gainer. $48... 60g's of protein

get some ph's b4 they are gone. If you read how to use them correctly, you shouldn't have any problems.

whey isolate is more pure...

[Kibble]

get some dymatize mega gainer. $48... 60g's of protein

get some ph's b4 they are gone. If you read how to use them correctly, you shouldn't have any problems.

whey isolate is more pure...

He is only 20 years old

[robofish]

What do you guys mean by ph's? can you be sepific?

[Kibble]

Robofish, just concentrate on creatine and quality protein. That stuff alone will put you ahead of your peers. Also try some caffeine before your workout. Don't worry about those so called "PHs". They are going to be outlawed soon anyway

[DarnGoodLookin]

He is only 20 years old

I agree he is a little young. Im almost 22 but Im starting my second cycle. I ****ed up my first pct, got gyno and then started doing my homework... I think if he wants he should pick up a few bottles of some SD or phera and sit on them for a year, while reading everything he can on the site. B4 he starts a cycle he should ask for assistance, just like Im doing.

[Kibble]

^He is not going to sit on PHs while he reads lol. He will read something appealing and start the PH right after he reads it. Maybe something like "A dramatic effect of protein synthesis". I'm tellin you bro.... A kid is not going to buy a lollipop and stare at it for a year waiting for his teeth to come in. Doesn't work that way

[DarnGoodLookin]

^He is not going to sit on PHs while he reads lol. He will read something appealing and start the PH right after he reads it. Maybe something like "A dramatic effect of protein synthesis". I'm tellin you bro.... A kid is not going to buy a lollipop and stare at it for a year waiting for his teeth to come in. Doesn't work that way

...valid lol. but if he was smart, he would do what I suggested.

[A7X]

Are u guys talking about stuff like alfa-e spawn?? As of right now i think im just going to use the high protien and carb diet and throw some creatine in the mix and see what kinda results i can get. I am having trouble makeing me a diet thou... trying to figure out what types of foods are what type of carbs and when to eat them. \
Thanks for all the hlep

[jbran23]

Are u guys talking about stuff like alfa-e spawn?? As of right now i think im just going to use the high protien and carb diet and throw some creatine in the mix and see what kinda results i can get. I am having trouble makeing me a diet thou... trying to figure out what types of foods are what type of carbs and when to eat them. \
Thanks for all the hlep

Head over to the diet section bro. Lots of good info and what you cant find on your own, ask some questions and you will get your answers. You will have your diet on point in no time.

[RONINASAUNA]

Have you thought about adding some creatine to that? How do you respond to it?

I dont know about adding something like BSN Noexplode, or other pump type product as I cant see how that helps in gaining mass.

I know there are some websites where you can find a bodybuilding coupon code to order from. At least try to get a discount if you are going to order that much at one time.


you thinking about any prohormones?

[A7X]

I was thinking of using some phoramons until i found out i shouldwait a few years. I dont want to do any damage to my self... besides what kind can you still buy? I was looking at protein and i found a tube of Whey Protein Concentrate 10lb for $47.00. Its called N Large 2 is that any good?

[Machdiesel]

I am thinking about making my own Pre/Post workout supp. The good thing about making your own is you can mess with the amounts. Most people like to cycle off of creatine, how can you do that if all your supps already contain creatine. Here's what I am looking at. Pretty much every ingredient is about the same price, 30$ for a 2.5 month supply(except for the whey). They can prob be found for cheaper but I looked at all major brands and opted for micronized creatine and glutamine. I mix both drinks with water

Pre Workout
5g Micronized Creatine mono (ast)
5g Micronized Glutamine (myogenix)
3g Beta alanine (primaforce)
5g AAKG (higher power)
200mg caffeine (trying to find 100mg pills)
1 scoop of fruit n whey (MRM)

Post Workout
5g Creatine mono
5g glutamine
2g beta alanine
2 scoops of Fruit n whey
1 tblsp flax seed oil
oats(75 grams of carbs)
On the days I workout(mon,wed,fri) I will use this blend pre and post workout. On cardio days and off days I will only take it post cardio or take the post workout blend once a day