Newbie cycles that vets could learn from.

[cvictorg]

NEWBIES..... you would do very well following this advice.
Vets.......... maybe we have something to learn still.

After doing much digging in regard to the way men used to cycle years ago I have come to the conclusion that 98% of us use too much gear....please read on.

I have always been a believer in using as little gear as possible but even I have used way too much in the past and this has resulted in big sides.

Here are examples of cycles used by the pro's of the late 60's and 70's. They were certainly well developed men actually looked better then most of the pro's today IMHO.

My Hero The late great Mike Mentzer was considered a man living on the edge in the late 70's and up until he retired after the 80 Olympia.

MIKE MENTZER
In prep for the 80 Olympia Mike used 400 of deca and 20 or 30 of d-bol per day. I think it was actually 20 of d-bol . I believe he took the d-bol for 4-6 weeks only.This was considered a BIG dose of juice. This was published in his "Heavy Duty Journal" and was well know . Mike was one of the only Bodybuilders that made "no bones" about his roid use.
Now Mike was a big guy and very strong and walked around in the off season at about 250 fairly lean pounds at 5'-9"

The following I got from Nelson Montana.

ARNOLD
He reported liked 600 of primo and 50 of d-bol per day.

SERGIO
This huge bro used 200 of deca/week and 20 of winny per day.

FRANK ZANE
Frank likeed 100 of deca and 100 of primo and was know to use a little thyroid as well.

DAVE DRAPER
Dave used 25 of winny per day way back in the late 60's

LARRY SCOTT
Larry used 10 of d-bol in divided doses per day. This was considered a large dose back in the mid 60's

Now all these guys are bigger than 95% of the members of this board I am sure and if they didn't need large doses then why do you?
Do what they did......be a lifter first and then use a little roid as a SUPPLEMENT.

Unless you are 40 or more pounds above your natural maximum weight AND are a top competitor I see no reason to use high doses of gear. Even Quadsweep "The Voice of Reason" who is a top national level competitor doesn't use half the juice that many of you use.

It has been said by many that gains made slowly and in smaller jumps are kept better. I for one strongly believe this. The human body is not meant to gain 30 pounds of bulk in 8 weeks..much of that will be lost post cycle as the body just can't hold it all at once. It makes much better sence to gain slowly but surely. It is better for your health and the low doses avoid the puffy watery look that was not even acceaptable in the off season in 1975.


Perhaps we all need to re-think how we use steroids.

Some suggestions

200 of deca/week for 10 weeks and 10- 20 of d-bol per day for 4-6 weeks in divided doses.

200 of deca/week for 10 weeks and 25 of winstrol per day for 4-6 weeks

250 of test alone for 8-10 weeks

250-400 of primo alone

250-300 of eq alone

10-20 of d-bol alone in four divided doses per day for 6 weeks

Good luck!

[marcus300]

If I was you I would delete this rubbish, times change and move forward by learning from mistakesl like these^^

[cvictorg]

If I was you I would delete this rubbish, times change and move forward by learning from mistakesl like these^^

This article maybe 10 years old

http://figureathlete.tmuscle.com/fin...rticle=18stero



But please provide a logical answer as to why this is "rubbish"

[G4R]

Yeah, and people used to duck and cover in case of nuclear attack too......

[marcus300]

This article maybe 10 years old



But please provide a logical answer as to why this is "rubbish"

Are your serious?

Please do some research, people dont do those cycle anymore for a reason:

200 of deca/week for 10 weeks and 10- 20 of d-bol per day for 4-6 weeks in divided doses. total sh1t cycle, what is deca only at 200mgs per week going to do except cause a bad case of deca dick

200 of deca/week for 10 weeks and 25 of winstrol per day for 4-6 weeks see above, same answer

250 of test alone for 8-10 weeks top end HRT dose! wouldnt call it a cycle unless your a newbie then i would advice more mgs
250-400 of primo alone useless for muscle building, to low amount

250-300 of eq alone worse drug ever, will do nothing for muscle building and if you was a lucky one who like this compound it needs to be ran alot more than 300mgs

10-20 of d-bol alone in four divided doses per day for 6 weeks come on, work this out for yourself

[D7M]

Yeah, and people used to duck and cover in case of nuclear attack too......

lol...priceless!

[oscarjones]

Deca alone? That's retarded.

[dec11]

lol, you vets paying attention here! ah what happened the OP, i was hoping for some more top class advice lol

[Swifto]

Jeez...

Deca and Dbol it is...

[Big]

Yeah I learned something from reading this lol. I think many of us did. I also read that people used to use leeches to drain blood from sick people, I may give that a whirl as well.

[gsxracer]

I've learned in this post that you got served on a silver plater tada!~

/facebash on keyboard I've gotten smarter today

[toothache]

None of those guys were on test?

[PT]

that is a joke. 250-400mgs of primo will do nothing but hurt you financially. you say vets can learn from this!! thats a joke

[PistolStarta]

Forget about the doses, just because someone is big doesnt mean their advice is better or smarter... I wouldnt take jay cutlers advice just because he is Jay cutler, he could have an IQ of 70.

[PistolStarta]

Also I don't know where you got the info but here is a verified cycle from 1958 and run often in the 60's and 70's by pro's (MD published)

Week 1 Test Cyp 200mg + 20mg dbol day
Week 2 Test Cyp 200mg + 30mg dbol day
Week 3 Test Cyp 200mg x2 + 30mg dbol day
Week 4-6 Test Cyp 300mg x2 + 30mg dbol day
Week 7-10 Test Cyp 400mg x2 + 40mg dbol day
Week 11-12 Test Cyp 200mg x2 + 30mg dbol day
Week 13 back to week 2
Week 14-15 Taped dbol

Pyramiding was common, this looks nothing like what you have. some substituted anavar for bdol.

[Fact]

Hi cvictorg

I loved you post. I've never posted, and to be honest, don't really visit sites like these but they appear in my search results when I do research from time to time.

I do agree that most people are using to much anabolic steroids for the desired outcome. That being said, what other people put in their bodies have nothing to do with me. Thats none of my business, period!

I came across Mike Mentzer's teachings and philosophy on productive anaerobic exercise several years ago. I commend you on choosing for youself a truly great hero. I have read all of his literature and actually spoke to him several years back before his passing about his research.

I believe that he got it right, or as close as anybody has ever been. I train with the consolidated plan in his latest book.

I have always used low doses, not because I am concerned about health but its simply uneconomical not too. Why use more when less will do? I normally do 200 mg of either testosterone cypionate or nandrolone decanoate combined with 10-15 mg methandienone.

I do however go on longer than most people. I normally shoot for 16 weeks. If I come back after a long layoff thats enough to add about 50-60 lbs. or about 25 to 30 lbs if not. Obviously the further you get pass you genetic level the less ou gains will be for a given amount of administered dose.

The least effective cycle, in terms of weight gained vs amount taken, was a 15 lbs gain going from 260 to 275 lbs.

Oh yeah, I never lose more than 5 lbs after a cycle and don't use any anti-estrogens.

Take what you want from this post, and do what seems right to you. What ever that is! lol

Regards
F

[Fact]

Yeah I learned something from reading this lol. I think many of us did. I also read that people used to use leeches to drain blood from sick people, I may give that a whirl as well.

Hi Big

This is still an excepted practice in modern medicine for certain ailments. I guess sometimes you can't beat nature..

Regards,
F

[Fact]

Deca alone? That's retarded.

Hi oscarjones

Why is it retarded?

My first ever cycle was a deca only cycle.

It was a pyramid scheme, I didn't know any better at the time, with most weeks being 200 mg and 2-3 at 300mg. I gained 35 lbs.

[Bossman]

Do you really think Mentzer took a little deca and a 20mg of dbol ED??

That's absolute horseshiit.

The Pro's don't want you to know what they take.

Im 46, I remember when Mike was at the top of his game preaching HIT. Many considered him to be a quack.

[TITANIUM]

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Best

T

[NEMESIS RR]

Also I don't know where you got the info but here is a verified cycle from 1958 and run often in the 60's and 70's by pro's (MD published)

Week 1 Test Cyp 200mg + 20mg dbol day
Week 2 Test Cyp 200mg + 30mg dbol day
Week 3 Test Cyp 200mg x2 + 30mg dbol day
Week 4-6 Test Cyp 300mg x2 + 30mg dbol day
Week 7-10 Test Cyp 400mg x2 + 40mg dbol day
Week 11-12 Test Cyp 200mg x2 + 30mg dbol day
Week 13 back to week 2
Week 14-15 Taped dbol

Pyramiding was common, this looks nothing like what you have. some substituted anavar for bdol.

This is still a lot less than what people are doing today.

[Booz]

NEWBIES..... you would do very well following this advice.
Vets.......... maybe we have something to learn still.

After doing much digging in regard to the way men used to cycle years ago I have come to the conclusion that 98% of us use too much gear....please read on.

I have always been a believer in using as little gear as possible but even I have used way too much in the past and this has resulted in big sides.

Here are examples of cycles used by the pro's of the late 60's and 70's. They were certainly well developed men actually looked better then most of the pro's today IMHO.

My Hero The late great Mike Mentzer was considered a man living on the edge in the late 70's and up until he retired after the 80 Olympia.

MIKE MENTZER
In prep for the 80 Olympia Mike used 400 of deca and 20 or 30 of d-bol per day. I think it was actually 20 of d-bol . I believe he took the d-bol for 4-6 weeks only.This was considered a BIG dose of juice. This was published in his "Heavy Duty Journal" and was well know . Mike was one of the only Bodybuilders that made "no bones" about his roid use.
Now Mike was a big guy and very strong and walked around in the off season at about 250 fairly lean pounds at 5'-9"

The following I got from Nelson Montana.

ARNOLD
He reported liked 600 of primo and 50 of d-bol per day.

SERGIO
This huge bro used 200 of deca/week and 20 of winny per day.

FRANK ZANE
Frank likeed 100 of deca and 100 of primo and was know to use a little thyroid as well.

DAVE DRAPER
Dave used 25 of winny per day way back in the late 60's

LARRY SCOTT
Larry used 10 of d-bol in divided doses per day. This was considered a large dose back in the mid 60's

Now all these guys are bigger than 95% of the members of this board I am sure and if they didn't need large doses then why do you?
Do what they did......be a lifter first and then use a little roid as a SUPPLEMENT.

Unless you are 40 or more pounds above your natural maximum weight AND are a top competitor I see no reason to use high doses of gear. Even Quadsweep "The Voice of Reason" who is a top national level competitor doesn't use half the juice that many of you use.

It has been said by many that gains made slowly and in smaller jumps are kept better. I for one strongly believe this. The human body is not meant to gain 30 pounds of bulk in 8 weeks..much of that will be lost post cycle as the body just can't hold it all at once. It makes much better sence to gain slowly but surely. It is better for your health and the low doses avoid the puffy watery look that was not even acceaptable in the off season in 1975.


Perhaps we all need to re-think how we use steroids.

Some suggestions

200 of deca/week for 10 weeks and 10- 20 of d-bol per day for 4-6 weeks in divided doses.

200 of deca/week for 10 weeks and 25 of winstrol per day for 4-6 weeks

250 of test alone for 8-10 weeks

250-400 of primo alone

250-300 of eq alone

10-20 of d-bol alone in four divided doses per day for 6 weeks

Good luck!

sorry mate but you must be stupid to beleive this bull...........

you really beleive these got the size they did just using these amounts........

i know this is a flame free board but imma going to have to turn a blind eye to this thread lol......................

[Big]

the thing I hate about threads like these is the fact that uneducated inexperienced n00bs believe this bs, and every time there is a full moon folks come out to support this garbage.

"...I gained 85lbs by taking dbol once a week for a month, and I'm posting it on the internet so it must be true..." lmfao

[YouSeeIt]

I like the idea of not abusing steroids and I do believe a lot of people do. But the amounts you listed above dont make since and are clearly to low. I feel that taking AAS (if you are not an athlete or a bodybuilder) should be taken in moderation as a suplement to your workout. I think it is funny when you see a guy at the gym who is huge beyond huge and he works at t mobile or something its like whats the point. No offense to anyone who works at t mobile. THe reason I got into steroids is because I have always worked out and loved being strong. I was the kid who always wanted to have a supernatural power (like most other kids) but i was seriously infatuated with it. Steroids I guess were the closest thing i could get. The point is everyone has different goals. I am a regular person who has an obsession with working out and being strong therefor I do steroids but not to the point where I cant poke myself in my own ass with a needle. i like to be functional and thats my 2 cents. This was a probably worthless information sorry but I just added another post and I am a new member