quick nolvadex question

[mrutah]

Hey guys just a quick question u have nolvadex on hand In case of problems come along with my 500 mg test and 300 mg deca stack I heard that nolva could increase prolactin issues but not likely at such a low dose. So basically just wondering if nolva would do the trick if something came up or if I had to have a ai no matter what because I already have the nolva.
Thanks for your time

[dec11]

i just use 10mgs of it eod if anything shows up, sore nips etc, until it clears. but like you im interested to knw if the AI should be used

[CHUCKYthentic]

running an AI on cycle will or should eliminate the possibility of any gyno issues on cycle. IF you do run into issues then the nolva will stop the estrogen from binding to the receptors any further, and you might as well run the AI the rest of the way out to start knocking down that estrogen

that said, there is an on going argument about running nolva along side a 19nor class AAS such as deca. nolva has been known to worsen it and act as a "gateway" for the progesterone hormone. some say that is false.... personally i havent had that happen to me because i have only ran a 19nor once BUT i use an AI throughout my cycles. ill never take the chance though with the whole nolva and deca thing

this is why we say run a test only cycle for your 1st so you can see how your body reacts to test

hope this helps a little

[TITANIUM]

running an AI on cycle will or should eliminate the possibility of any gyno issues on cycle. IF you do run into issues then the nolva will stop the estrogen from binding to the receptors any further, and you might as well run the AI the rest of the way out to start knocking down that estrogen

that said, there is an on going argument about running nolva along side a 19nor class AAS such as deca. nolva has been known to worsen it and act as a "gateway" for the progesterone hormone. some say that is false.... personally i havent had that happen to me because i have only ran a 19nor once BUT i use an AI throughout my cycles. ill never take the chance though with the whole nolva and deca thing

this is why we say run a test only cycle for your 1st so you can see how your body reacts to test

hope this helps a little

You hit this one out of the park bro!

Best

T

[CHUCKYthentic]

haha thanks T. feelin a little rusty right now, not on here as much and work is frying my brain!

good to see bro

[mrutah]

Thanks guys I will get a ai I must of read a outdated book. I bought mike harts book and he said run test with deca and nolvadex the entire time he dident even mention a ai. He also stated that deca was the king of anabolics and very rarely came with sides. And also my hrt doc suggested test deca and nolva. If I don't run into issues could I just have the ai on hand or do all of you guys use them the entire cycle

[CHUCKYthentic]

nolva on cycle is kinda an old school method. like i said the views are mixed on this, so its tough to make the decision. i personally believe there are far better ways of keeping estrogen down, obviously an AI, and you wouldnt even have to worry about the deca and nolva issue

i do run an AI on cycle now. 1 cycle i did not an realized that i could be gyno prone so included it in everyone since.

some guys do not use an AI on here for various reasons

i am an advocate for an AI on cycle for more reasons than just being "gyno prone" though

if i recall this is your 1st cycle right?
what kind of pct do you have lined up?

[mrutah]

The main reason I wanted to use deca is for joint pain I can hardly finish a shoulder workout because of pain its getting worse all the time.
As far as pct hcg and nolva clomid although I like what I hear about aromisan I have heard its good for hdl as well as no bounce back with estrogen when you stop.
Luckily I can get my pct filled and to me next day. Or I may just lower my hrt dose to 200 mg or 150mg of test and cruise. But I plan on trying to come completly off to have a baby

[CHUCKYthentic]

well id suggest HCG on cycle or towards the end of cycle. you do not want to run it in PCT because it just mimics your LH and the clomid and nolva will help restore the LH, so you dont want both of those things going on at once, would be counter productive.

as for pct, nolva and clomid alone for 4 weeks should be good IF you run an AI on cycle like arimidex

IF you dont run adex on cycle, the aromasin would be great to add into your pct along side the nolva and clomid

PCT can be tricky and hard to learn...

[CHUCKYthentic]

oh and as for the deca for the joints, i hear you there, my joints kill me sometimes. now i have never ran deca, only 19nor i have experience with is tren acetate, may want to double check on the dose for joint therapy

300mg of deca might be good and you shouldnt see any issues on a low dose, may even consider 200-250mg. like i said though, check with someone else on that, ive seen plenty of guys using deca for this specific reason

[mrutah]

Thanks for all the help. I will do what you are talking about I read the swifto pct protocol and it looks similar to what your saying run nolva clomid if you run a ai during cycle and if you don't run aromisan.
So in your honest opinion should I just drop the deca I don't want to mess around with anything that's why I was only going to run 300 mg weekly. I just like the idea of pain free lifting and I can't lie the extra mass would be great to.

well id suggest HCG on cycle or towards the end of cycle. you do not want to run it in PCT because it just mimics your LH and the clomid and nolva will help restore the LH, so you dont want both of those things going on at once, would be counter productive.

as for pct, nolva and clomid alone for 4 weeks should be good IF you run an AI on cycle like arimidex

IF you dont run adex on cycle, the aromasin would be great to add into your pct along side the nolva and clomid

PCT can be tricky and hard to learn...

[CHUCKYthentic]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398794

^^^give this a read on hcg

as for the deca, honest opinion, considering you will run a low dose, and if you prepare for it RIGHT, then i see no problem running it. now if you were to say 500 or 600mg, then i would say NO. heres an idea of how you can run that cycle...

test e or c 500mg/week for 12 weeks
deca 300mg/week for 10 weeks
HCG 125-250iu every 3 days, weeks 1-13 (you see more info on this in the thread i posted)
arimidex .25mg EOD weeks 1-13 (run up to day before you start pct)

start pct 12-14 days after last test injection
nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50


now that is how i personally would run that cycle. let me know if you have anymore Qs bro, good luck

[mrutah]

Thanks man that looks great I have ran test for 3 weeks already it wouldent hurt to start hcg in a week or two would it. Its not like one of those deals that if you don't run it from the beginning don't start later is it? I just hadent ran into any ejaculation problems or extremely shrunkin testicles so I was still on the fence about needing it. But I have read a ton of good about it. So I will most likely start it in two weeks if that would work. Thanks again man I know it seems like I am totally unprepared but I really wasent even planning in even running test but after months of feeling horrible I worked with my doctor with trt and he wouldent change my dosage so my test came back under 100ng total each time. So now I'm with a hrt doc and trying to figure all this out so I have been on all the net forums and reading some books to learn as fast as possible.
Thanks again though maybe one day I will be able to help someone out

[CHUCKYthentic]

no it wouldnt hurt at all, its not necessarily a must per say, but it helps in recovery and helps keep your hormones functioning. its a good idea in the long run, cuz there is always a chance for permanent damage and the use of HCG on cycle helps eliminate that.

ive ran it at the end of a cycle, the last 5 weeks, and recovered great! from here on out though, im gonna run it the then length of my cycle

you re not totally unprepared man, you know more than a lot of 1st timers. this stuff takes awhile to learn and soak it all in. took me awhile too