ai use hinder gains?

[mrutah]

hey guys just wondering about using arimidex during cycle, I have read alot of forums that people say use a ai no matter what and others say that using a ai during cycle will really hinder gains. Just wanted to get some input from others on this subject.

[THE TANK 81]

http://www.steroid.com/Arimidex.php

Read up on it from what I gathered it only makes the cycle better by producing a harder more quality look. And it boosts test levels

[ranging1]

yes an A.I suppresses gains

anything that suppresses estrogen suppress gains

if you do some research ull find estrogen helps boose IGF and other anabolic factors


if thats not convincing enough their are studies done, that show injecting estriol (estrogen) with steroids increases the rate of protein synthesis

this should be anough to tell you that if you suppress estrogen of any amount u are lowering the muscle building potential of AAS

[LeroyB]

Thats quite a bit different to other stuff Ive read.
What do you do if you get puffy nips.
Just ride it out till you get to PCT and hope it doesnt roll to hard?
OR
Jump onto an AI strait away.

[biggerisbetter1827]

what ranging1 said x2

you use an AI while on cycle to reduce estro sides such as bloating and gyno, and in these cases it will still suppress gains but its better then bitch tits....imo
-D

[peachfuzz]

an AI will suppress gains if you dont know how to use it. the idea is too control estro not have it too high or too low as BOTH will inhibit gains.

[Little Herc]

If ur not prone to gyno then i say scrap the ai. If for some reason u think you are take it....

[ranging1]

Thats quite a bit different to other stuff Ive read.
What do you do if you get puffy nips.
Just ride it out till you get to PCT and hope it doesnt roll to hard?
OR
Jump onto an AI strait away.

the idea is u avoid using an A.I if possible since it will inhibit gains, irellavant of how much u use, any estrogen suppression will hinder ur gains, how much it hinders it will depend on how much estrogen u suppress

if however u starting getting puffy nipples etc, then obviously u should introduce an A.I, even if it does supress ur gains, ur better off suppressing some of you gains then ending ur cycle with bigger tits then pamela anderson

[love2liftiron]

well i guess if u have an ai on hand, you could use it very little,or if u start getting sore nipps well start with the proper meds...who says you cant use 1mg arimidex once/week....or less.....i may be totally wrong,and i dont mind admitting it,but if you are not retaining too much water and your nipples are fine,dont use the ai....but always have an ai,nolvadex.and clomid on hand or dont start a cycle....thers a ton of guys on this site that can say what i just tried to say....

[marcus300]

the idea is u avoid using an A.I if possible since it will inhibit gains, irellavant of how much u use, any estrogen suppression will hinder ur gains, how much it hinders it will depend on how much estrogen u suppress

if however u starting getting puffy nipples etc, then obviously u should introduce an A.I, even if it does supress ur gains, ur better off suppressing some of you gains then ending ur cycle with bigger tits then pamela anderson

You really want to stop giving advice, your post are so stupid, how many cycles have you done 1 or 2.You give some really bizzare advice like you have been using gear for years, for a start you wouldnt even take the advice off people when you first came on here so why do you go around giving it, if you dont listen yourself, you have zero experience and reckless, please no one listen to this guy

[marcus300]

Its all about balance, you need estrogen to grow but to much will give you adverse side effects which you dont want while building muscle. Using an AI were you balance your estrogen levels will not hinder gains but prevent sides from appearing. What happens is people use an AI and wipe nearly all there estrogen out which will hinder gains but controlling the levels and balancing them wont, infact it will be that slight you wont notice it, knowing how you respond to cycles will help you balance the levels, experience will show you the way.

[LeroyB]

Marcus:
What do you do if you get puffy / slightly sore nips.
Just ride it out till you get to PCT and hope it doesnt roll to hard?
OR
Jump onto an AI strait away?
I really want to avoid AI on cycle.
Second question is will Dbol cause worse than Test E as I am about done with my Dbol Kicker?

[marcus300]

Marcus:
What do you do if you get puffy / slightly sore nips.
Just ride it out till you get to PCT and hope it doesnt roll to hard?
OR
Jump onto an AI strait away?
I really want to avoid AI on cycle.
Second question is will Dbol cause worse than Test E as I am about done with my Dbol Kicker?

If you have estrogen related sides like gyno,water retention,tender nipples and fat accumulation you need to address it, if you control the estrogen and balance it out you will be in a far better position, alot of people wipe estrogen clean out which results in reduced gains, so balance is the key word here.

[Swifto]

an AI will suppress gains if you dont know how to use it. the idea is too control estro not have it too high or too low as BOTH will inhibit gains.

Exactly.

[graeme87]

An AI will prevent bloat so the lack of water will come across to some as suppressed gains. However if you push estrogen too low it can hinder muscle gains so don't take a high dose of AI.

With that being said I would still rather risk pushing my estrogen a little on the low side than not use an AI and let it go way to high.

If you keep running cycles without an AI you will get gyno, acne and water bloat sooner or later so I'd say always use an AI just to be safe.

[mrutah]

I have heard this exact thing from other people with alot of knowledge, they suggested that I do arimedex at .25mg eod they say that is a small enough dose to not suppress all estrogen but it should be enough to get rid of sides like water retention.
Its tough though I have read books that say no matter what use something to control estrogen but then again I haven't had any sides at all. so me using it would be totally to be cautious because I would tend to think I would rather stop the problem before it starts by choice than have to treat a problem after I get gyno.

Its all about balance, you need estrogen to grow but to much will give you adverse side effects which you dont want while building muscle. Using an AI were you balance your estrogen levels will not hinder gains but prevent sides from appearing. What happens is people use an AI and wipe nearly all there estrogen out which will hinder gains but controlling the levels and balancing them wont, infact it will be that slight you wont notice it, knowing how you respond to cycles will help you balance the levels, experience will show you the way.

[tballz]

.25mg of dex eod is a good dose.

[LeroyB]

Thanks for the info All!
Carry on!