low testosteron after 5 months

[gggalf]

finish my cycle this August but testesteron still low Testesteron levels - 13.01.2010 - 7.36 nmol.l
last cycle history
weeks
1-10 Winstrol 50 mlg ED
4-9 omnadren 350 mlg WEEK
10-11 proviron 25 mlg ED
4-10 nolvadex 20 mlg ED
10-12 clomid ED 150mlg first week 100mlg second week and 50mlg third week

what i can do to get my testesteron back and where is my mistаке in the cycle?
Thanks in advance

testosteron histrory from the end of the cycle

28.08.2009 - 4.29 nmol/l agter cycle on 50 clomid 10 nolva
08.09.2009 - 2.65 nmol/l 50 clomid
23.09.2009 - 18.2 nmol/l 12 day ED 50 clomid 500 Pregnil 20 mlg Tamoxifen 2 g Tribestan
09.10.2009 - 2.93 nmol/l 1 g Tribestan
13.01.2010 - 7.36 nmol.l 10 days after testosteron booster Ultimate Nutrition

[gggalf]

can somebody help my

[tboney]

Age? stats? Test levels before cycle?

[gggalf]

my age is 25
my test level before the cycle was 16.5 nmol/l

[Vitruvian-Man]

finish my cycle this August but testesteron still low Testesteron levels - 13.01.2010 - 7.36 nmol.l
last cycle history
weeks
1-10 Winstrol 50 mlg ED
4-9 omnadren 350 mlg WEEK
10-11 proviron 25 mlg ED
4-10 nolvadex 20 mlg ED
10-12 clomid ED 150mlg first week 100mlg second week and 50mlg third week

what i can do to get my testesteron back and where is my mistаке in the cycle?
Thanks in advance

testosteron histrory from the end of the cycle

28.08.2009 - 4.29 nmol/l agter cycle on 50 clomid 10 nolva
08.09.2009 - 2.65 nmol/l 50 clomid
23.09.2009 - 18.2 nmol/l 12 day ED 50 clomid 500 Pregnil 20 mlg Tamoxifen 2 g Tribestan
09.10.2009 - 2.93 nmol/l 1 g Tribestan
13.01.2010 - 7.36 nmol.l 10 days after testosteron booster Ultimate Nutrition

WTF... are you kidding me man?! What type of cycle is that! It's awfully laid out. The reason your testosterone levels are low right now is because you didn't do a proper PCT whatsoever.

You only did 2 weeks of clomid for your PCT. (because you were taking winstrol during week 10 - which is still suppressive to the HPTA.)

Your PCT should have started 18 - 21 days after your last injection of omna. and it should have consisted of both clomid + nolvadex for 3 - 4 weeks.

You shouldn't have been using nolvadex on cycle; but rather an A.I. like arimidex. Nolva is a SERM that should be used for PCT, and gyno reversal when necessary..

Lol, one thing that keeps bothering me... why the heck did you decide to run winny for 4 weeks prior to the test

Anyways, you should just do another PCT now, a proper one:

Nolvadex (weeks 1 - 4) @ 40/40/20/20
Clomid (weeks 1 - 4) @ 150/100/50/50

^^ That should help kick-start your HPTA; and get test production back up to speed.

By the way, (one more thing ).... how the hell did you afford to get like blood-tests done every 2 - 3 weeks ..... that's crazy expensive.

[TITANIUM]

Agreed.^^^^

Run another PCT protocol.

Best

T

[gggalf]

i was take clomid for 4-5 weeks not for 2 and i star with 200 mlg dose ED for the first week end low the dose with 50 mlg a week

i start the clomid sfter 15-16 days after the last injection of omna. yes but i make the mistake with the both of the clomid and nolva

first i thing to get only winy and then decided to take test. this is the reason to start the test later

ok i gona gets now some nolva and clomid and i start it from today and i will write the results after 2 weeks

in my country the test for testosteron is not very expensive the price is 13 $

very thanks for the advice

and 1 question must i run and some pregnil i this 4 week of PCT ?

[gggalf]

ending my second week of pct now and i em on 40 mlg volva 100 mlg clomid
i em still not make my testosteron test and but i think feel my libido low
is that normal ?

[stevey_6t9]

it sometimes takes up to 3 months to fully recover. everyones different.

[taiwanguy]

ending my second week of pct now and i em on 40 mlg volva 100 mlg clomid
i em still not make my testosteron test and but i think feel my libido low
is that normal ?

it sometimes takes up to 3 months to fully recover. everyones different.

Exactly, you need to just calm down and wait longer. Can't believe how many blood tests you had... Hell, I bounced back within 3 months with no PCT (not recommending it one way or another, but if I'm back to normal without extras, good for me.) Main point is to have some patience.

What is NOT normal is to cycle for 10 weeks, PCT for 2 weeks and then be perfectly normal.

[gggalf]

yes but my cycle was before 4-5 month this is the reason to be a worried
can be the reason fake nolva or clomid ?
is it possible my libido low from the one of the volva or clomid
now when am on nolva 40 mlg and clomid 100 mlg ED and i make my blood test my testosterone will be higher becouse of them

[taiwanguy]

yes but my cycle was before 4-5 month this is the reason to be a worried
can be the reason fake nolva or clomid ?
is it possible my libido low from the one of the volva or clomid
now when am on nolva 40 mlg and clomid 100 mlg ED and i make my blood test my testosterone will be higher becouse of them

but unless I'm reading your cycle wrong, you were basically starting your PCT while you were still on other things/before the testosterone had enough time to drop your levels really low. Now you're basically in your 2nd week of real PCT.

[Swifto]

Your testes are firing, hence the rise in T after using HCG.

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED
wk 1-3 Clomid 50mg/ED
wk 3-6 Clomid 25mg/ED

See where that gets you.

No Tribuals, no other supps. Bar VitC.

[gggalf]

Your testes are firing, hence the rise in T after using HCG.
.

what you mean with this ?
and where is my mistake in my cycle?
is it possible tribulus or another testosterone busters to low my level of own testosterone when i finish with them ?

[gggalf]

my last booster before the blood test was UN testostro grow hp 2 it can be from him

[Swifto]

what you mean with this ?
and where is my mistake in my cycle?
is it possible tribulus or another testosterone busters to low my level of own testosterone when i finish with them ?

Your testis are firing, there responding to direct stimulation. Which means your not suffering from primary hypogonadism.

The Trib will not lower androgen production or increase it.

You need to run the PCT I outlined, then get BW done 5-6 weeks after its finished.

[gggalf]

i think from when i take tamox. + clomid my libido is low
What could be the reason
low estrogen ? maybe

[gggalf]

my new tets. result
i make the test today
7.46 nmll/l 14 days after tribestan
can be that from the tribulus ? i can not think for anther reason
and can i start new cycle now ?
10x