Whats your guys take on a 20 week cycle?

[Sauced_Up]

Just finished talkin to one of my boys who competes in NPC, hes takin NPC southern states and NPC junior nationals. Not going to say his name cause I dont wana put his stuff out there. But we were talkin about his past cycles, one of which was a 20 week cycle... First 8 weeks were a cut, then the last 12 were a very clean bulk.


His cycle consisted of:

Week 1-20 ---- Sus250 at 500mg/week
Week 1-4 ---- M-drol at 20mg/day
Week 6-9 ---- Winny at 50mg/day
Week 18-21 ---- Winney at 50mg/day
Week 9-20 ---- Deca at 300mg/week

Nolva/Clomid PCT
HCG 500iu 2x a week from Week 19-24 when PCT started


He showed me pics of the before and after results and it was crazy how much he changed his physique. After the cut he maintained his BF% under 10% while putting on some decent mass during the bulkin portion.

Didnt tell me if he got bloodwork after but he said he felt he recovered.


Whats your guys opinion on this?????

[john_2010]

i would run some HCG halfway through the cycle.

[E Police 183]

Just wondering and i could either be an idiot or just reading this wrong but why would you cut then bulk. Was there a comp. at the end of the cut then he wanted to bulk? I just would think that it would be the opposite, bulk then cut no?

[Sauced_Up]

Just wondering and i could either be an idiot or just reading this wrong but why would you cut then bulk. Was there a comp. at the end of the cut then he wanted to bulk? I just would think that it would be the opposite, bulk then cut no?

He did the cut first because it was for a photoshoot with a possible sponsorship. Forgot to put that in there, would help to explain why he did it like that.

[Vitruvian-Man]

It's definitely not a very well set up cycle; that's for sure.

I would never replicate his cycle.

But to answer your question; yes you can recover from 20 weeks cycles. IMO hcg should be used from the beginning, and ran until you commence the PCT, hcg is a must for cycles of this kind of length. The PCT should be a little more advanced though; and longer then 4 weeks (IE) 6 - 8 depending on how shut down you are.

IMO, it's much easier to just break the cycles up, and do a bulker, and then a short cutter after. But yah... different strokes for different folks

[E Police 183]

ahhh got ya...ok yeah i was wondering why he did it in that order, makes sense now.

[FranciscoG]

8 weeks and I am out.

I count it 56 days to the day and I am off.

Really no point if your myostatin starts to shut the gains off. 8 weeks off and I am back on.

[Kibble]

So basically 10+ week cycles are a waste of money? Does it all come down to the individual? I am just wondering this myself. I am nearing week 8 on my Test E cycle. My gains have been coming along very slowly, but if the gains will diminish shortly, then I want to start PCT asap.

So Lets say you run 500mg Test E for 20 weeks. Then at week 9 you add Tren for 10 weeks at 400mg. You are saying basically that you are pouring the Tren down the toilet? I am reading a book on Anabolics right now, and it says nothing about cycle duration yet, and I don't want to skip a few chapters. Thanks

(I said Tren because it is a well known strength producing steroid, which is far from mild)

[marcus300]

Long cycles never agreed with me, I prefer shorter cycles linked to a prime, those are the ones what changed my growth pattern for the better. I believe in using what works for the person! find out how your grow the best with the minimal amount of sides and implement that into your future cycles. Whats more important is finding out which diet and foods suit you better for growth IMHO.

[chuckt12345]

So basically 10+ week cycles are a waste of money? Does it all come down to the individual? I am just wondering this myself. I am nearing week 8 on my Test E cycle. My gains have been coming along very slowly, but if the gains will diminish shortly, then I want to start PCT asap.

So Lets say you run 500mg Test E for 20 weeks. Then at week 9 you add Tren for 10 weeks at 400mg. You are saying basically that you are pouring the Tren down the toilet? I am reading a book on Anabolics right now, and it says nothing about cycle duration yet, and I don't want to skip a few chapters. Thanks

(I said Tren because it is a well known strength producing steroid, which is far from mild)

everyones diffrent,, i gain most of my weight early on in a cycle and loss fat later. eventually if you run same amount from beg to end you will get to a point where your body wont grow anymore,, but thats up to the individual to find out when and on how diffrent compounds effect him.

yea what marcus said, i was to late

[FranciscoG]

It is different for most but not that much different. I never seen one person one a 16 week cycle suddenly on week 10 make great gains.

Your gains will slow and then stop. I did in my late 20s stay on for 2-3 years. At the end of that period I looked harder, a little bit better, but not as good as my partners that cycled.

To each his own, it will take years to learn what works for you.

Personally two weeks prior to a cycle I am on a keto diet and lifting as hard as I can. I run mostly shorter esters and throughout the years the gains have come.

When you are younger, your mental out look is much different than when you are older.

[intensityfreak]

8 weeks and I am out.

I count it 56 days to the day and I am off.

Really no point if your myostatin starts to shut the gains off. 8 weeks off and I am back on.

100 % with you dog, but i go even shorter, i go 6 weeks and out. then run a serm.lol

[Sauced_Up]

100 % with you dog, but i go even shorter, i go 6 weeks and out. then run a serm.lol

Isnt 6 weeks a lil short, even with Test prop... What do you run for something that short? a oral and maybe Test suspension?

[Immortal Soldier]

I have done a 20 week cycle before, and am currently on a 28 week cycle.

On paper they sound amazing, in reality they really aren't unless your body can respond. Your gains are alot smaller than what you gain if you had taken an adequate break.

This 28 week cycle is going to help me make a solid decision on wether I will ever run long cycles again. If I don't get the results I anticipate (realistically speaking knowing I am making my body use to synethetic hormone) then in the future long cycles will not be an opition. Waste of cash compared to benefits recieved.

[D7M]

I've tried both longer cycles and shorter cycles, and the best results I saw came from a simple 8 week cycle with test and an oral. Like Marcus said, I primed before the cycle using a TKD, and re introduced carbs when the cycle started.

[hungryH]

It is different for most but not that much different. I never seen one person one a 16 week cycle suddenly on week 10 make great gains.

Your gains will slow and then stop. I did in my late 20s stay on for 2-3 years. At the end of that period I looked harder, a little bit better, but not as good as my partners that cycled.

To each his own, it will take years to learn what works for you.

Personally two weeks prior to a cycle I am on a keto diet and lifting as hard as I can. I run mostly shorter esters and throughout the years the gains have come.

When you are younger, your mental out look is much different than when you are older.

you were on for 2-3 years!!

did you recover or were you on TRT?

[dianabol52]

• Week 1-6 Dianabol 50mg per day
• Week 1-12 Deca-Durabolin 400mg-600mg per week
• Week 11-20 Trenbolone-Acetate 75mg every other day
• Week 1-20 Testosterone 1,000mg per week

[cebby1985]

you were on for 2-3 years!!

did you recover or were you on TRT?

I ran 2 yrs straight. Not sure how it differs from blast and cruise and hinestly i lacked.knowledge and it was from 21-23, but i did 20wk cycles,pct and.the very day after pct i was running 1000mg per wk of test cyp as a base. I had 2 kids, one.of which came while i was on.test tren and deca and the other after i was off. Its been 3 yrs since then and i.just started again

[Bonaparte]

This thread is 2 years old, guys.

[cebby1985]

Fail.

[JDBeretta]

Lmao.