My body is fighting the new cycle severly

[Immortal Soldier]

Alright so lets get things clear this is my cycle:

1-14 test-e/test-cyp blend 1g/week
1-12 tren-e 800mg/week
1-4 Abomb @ 100mg ed(will start taking it next week)

Alright so I do my first injection, now I do not believe the tren-e could just activate from one injection (that is VERY UNLIKELY) however, I think the fact I cruise on test-e and the bump up to even more test coupled with the fact that regardless if tren-e was working or not yet there is just SO MUCH SHEAR HORMONE IN THE BODY that the body just fluctuated.

Kind of like throwing gasoline onto a fire, even though the tren hasn't been activated and it was one injection my body has taken a nose dive last night after I injected about 3.5 CC's worth of hormone into my body.

This happend when I introduced Deca on my last cycle, what it is it kind of feels like Test flu.

Like I am REALLY WEAK I mean I don't have strength pulling myself onto the bed and I am REALLY COLD like my body is freezing from the inside out and I am out of it. I just worked out and even though I was putting up relatively good weight, I felt like I was gonna die. I was out of it and feeling so shitty and out of wack that I didn't know what to do.

When I first introduced deca to my body the same thing happend but this is more severe, I mean I am in sweat pants and a sweater IN MY OWN HOUSE.

Idk how long it will last, last time it lasted about a week and then disappeared.

Is there anything I can take to help jumpstart my recovery? Obviously cold medication and stuff is useless since I am not "physically" sick.

[Bonaparte]

Sounds like you just had dirty gear.
Filter it into a new vial and try again.

[TITANIUM]

Alright so lets get things clear this is my cycle:

1-14 test-e/test-cyp blend 1g/week
1-12 tren-e 800mg/week
1-4 Abomb @ 100mg ed(will start taking it next week)

Alright so I do my first injection, now I do not believe the tren-e could just activate from one injection (that is VERY UNLIKELY) however, I think the fact I cruise on test-e and the bump up to even more test coupled with the fact that regardless if tren-e was working or not yet there is just SO MUCH SHEAR HORMONE IN THE BODY that the body just fluctuated.

Kind of like throwing gasoline onto a fire, even though the tren hasn't been activated and it was one injection my body has taken a nose dive last night after I injected about 3.5 CC's worth of hormone into my body.

This happend when I introduced Deca on my last cycle, what it is it kind of feels like Test flu.

Like I am REALLY WEAK I mean I don't have strength pulling myself onto the bed and I am REALLY COLD like my body is freezing from the inside out and I am out of it. I just worked out and even though I was putting up relatively good weight, I felt like I was gonna die. I was out of it and feeling so shitty and out of wack that I didn't know what to do.

When I first introduced deca to my body the same thing happend but this is more severe, I mean I am in sweat pants and a sweater IN MY OWN HOUSE.

Idk how long it will last, last time it lasted about a week and then disappeared.

Is there anything I can take to help jumpstart my recovery? Obviously cold medication and stuff is useless since I am not "physically" sick.

Something to buffer tren sides? Not that I know of.

Tren will do that to some, and can last a couple of weeks.

Depends on the individual also.

And the carrier it is in.

Hope this helps bro.

Best

T

[Immortal Soldier]

Sounds like you just had dirty gear.
Filter it into a new vial and try again.

No, this source is legit.

Something to buffer tren sides? Not that I know of.

Tren will do that to some, and can last a couple of weeks.

Depends on the individual also.

And the carrier it is in.

Hope this helps bro.

Best

T

See Its not the TREN ITSELF since its Tren E and that takes about 4 weeks to build up and its only been ONE INJECTION, I think its the fact I put about 3.5 cc's worth of hormone (test/tren) into my body at once. The body just fluctuated and is taking a nose dive.

Last night was hell, I was freezing and sweating in my bed and kept waking up.

[D7M]

Stop being a baby Immortal, you'll be fine in a few days.

Just try to get as many cals as you can will you're under....

[BJJ]

If I recall correctly you are just 23yo, right?
Why are you trying to hurt yourself?
I advise you to quit your cycle.

[hankdiesel]

I started having weird dreams the day after I took my first tren E shot. I think the side effects can hit us quicker then we think.

[Mooseman33]

Stop being a baby Immortal, you'll be fine in a few days.

Just try to get as many cals as you can will you're under....

agreed...

[NVR2BIG1]

You feel out of it because your 3.5 cc shot threw your blood levels off. A gram/wk of test is a decent amount and some guys cannot handle that much. I was debating on taking my sustanon to a gram/wk but then I remembered how shitty I felt doing that and kept it at 750. 750 is the magic # for me. Keep us posted

[PuzzyFalker]

Your doing too much gear. Your on a crash course to death. Think of your future a bit. Your way too young to be doing this. Weigh out the good and the bad. Is your vanity worth your life or your well being? Your natural test should be high at your age. Think how your body will be when your in your 30's if you keep this up.

[wharton]

Alright so lets get things clear this is my cycle:

1-14 test-e/test-cyp blend 1g/week
1-12 tren-e 800mg/week
1-4 Abomb @ 100mg ed(will start taking it next week)

Alright so I do my first injection, now I do not believe the tren-e could just activate from one injection (that is VERY UNLIKELY) however, I think the fact I cruise on test-e and the bump up to even more test coupled with the fact that regardless if tren-e was working or not yet there is just SO MUCH SHEAR HORMONE IN THE BODY that the body just fluctuated.

Kind of like throwing gasoline onto a fire, even though the tren hasn't been activated and it was one injection my body has taken a nose dive last night after I injected about 3.5 CC's worth of hormone into my body.

This happend when I introduced Deca on my last cycle, what it is it kind of feels like Test flu.

Like I am REALLY WEAK I mean I don't have strength pulling myself onto the bed and I am REALLY COLD like my body is freezing from the inside out and I am out of it. I just worked out and even though I was putting up relatively good weight, I felt like I was gonna die. I was out of it and feeling so shitty and out of wack that I didn't know what to do.

When I first introduced deca to my body the same thing happend but this is more severe, I mean I am in sweat pants and a sweater IN MY OWN HOUSE.

Idk how long it will last, last time it lasted about a week and then disappeared.

Is there anything I can take to help jumpstart my recovery? Obviously cold medication and stuff is useless since I am not "physically" sick.

I started having weird dreams the day after I took my first tren E shot. I think the side effects can hit us quicker then we think.

When I take TrenE I get sides in the first few days, sweats insomnia etc they faded off or i got used to them in a few days. If your gear is not pharma grade i would filter it your sides sound extreme.

[Quo]

Dude, you are putting a tremendous amount of drugs in your body. Yes, your body is fighting it. Why would you need to use this much? Especially if you are 23. You a pro bodybuilder or something? Or do you just wanna look good? If it's the latter, I'd recommend you re-assess your priorities.

Why don't you try toning things down a bit?

[NVR2BIG1]

Some can handle a gram/wk of test, some cannot. Your body will let you know, listen to it

[Immortal Soldier]

If I recall correctly you are just 23yo, right?
Why are you trying to hurt yourself?
I advise you to quit your cycle.

I am not trying to "hurt myself" this is my first go at cycle that is "more advanced" if you wanna say that, I just wanna see how the body reacts. I have done 800mg/test a week.

Your doing too much gear. Your on a crash course to death. Think of your future a bit. Your way too young to be doing this. Weigh out the good and the bad. Is your vanity worth your life or your well being? Your natural test should be high at your age. Think how your body will be when your in your 30's if you keep this up.

I think thats a little over exaggerating it but I see where you come from, it was a tough decision to make, but this what I chose.

Dude, you are putting a tremendous amount of drugs in your body. Yes, your body is fighting it. Why would you need to use this much? Especially if you are 23. You a pro bodybuilder or something? Or do you just wanna look good? If it's the latter, I'd recommend you re-assess your priorities.

Why don't you try toning things down a bit?

Well you see my body has done this before when I introduced deca for the first time and it was at 600mg/week then it became normal after a few days and the whole cycle went smooth as a butter. So I am not too worried about this intial run in. As for the dosages I have already ran 800mg/week of test and 700mg/week of tren (albeit it was underdosed most likely) but if I see the tren afffecting to much I will lower the dosage.

Some can handle a gram/wk of test, some cannot. Your body will let you know, listen to it

I think its the fact it was 3.5 cc's of pure hormone rather than the gram of test, I mean if I can handle 800mg/week of test like cake 200mg really wouldnt make much of a difference side effect wise.

[glover]

I would try cutting down to only inject 2 cc at a time if you can. See how that works. If your gear is not strong enough for that then try homebrewing. With those doses you'll be glad you did. Otherwise give it time. Like someone else said suck it up. It might clear up! good luck!

[gymnerd]

Damn bro, didnt you just finish your last cycle? Your body needs a break every now and then even iff you cruz low dose. I am not gonna preach at you bro, I wish you the best of luck should be Immortal with that stack I just worry alittle with the amounts and frequency you are using be safe bro you are only 23? you will someday realize there are alot more important things than AAS and the gym. Either way best of luck and keep us updated.

[Immortal Soldier]

Damn bro, didnt you just finish your last cycle? Your body needs a break every now and then even iff you cruz low dose. I am not gonna preach at you bro, I wish you the best of luck should be Immortal with that stack I just worry alittle with the amounts and frequency you are using be safe bro you are only 23? you will someday realize there are alot more important things than AAS and the gym. Either way best of luck and keep us updated.

yeah I feel you I wanted to take at least a 2 month break but unfortunatly I learned that I would be gone this entie summer out of country so I won't have anytime to cycle then since the place I am going to is way to risky to ship AAS to. They open all packages because of lack of civil rights.

Also I wanted to get the final consenus on a long cycle and wether there worth it in terms of cost and benefits.

[romo6]

You should be fine,your body will adjust.I also like to push things to the extreme occasionally. And honestly,thats not that extreme of a cycle.

[MekeMeke]

I did 50mg's of dbol and 600mg's of test and felt like shiaaat. On every cycle I do I feel the same the first 2 wks. And I do take about 5months off between cycles. So I guess its your immune system trying to combat these foreign hormones. It will give up pretty soon...

[Necrosaro]

Immortal your last quote in your last post in this thread is bad advice for everyone. Just because you won't be able to cycle this summer doesn't mean you should cram as much as you can in before then. Your 23 and doing cycles this big which is hard for me to understand as well. I am not trying to flame you but seriously you need to take a break for awhile and train natural till 25-26 and then think about maybe cycling again after. Really is this needed? Is this setting a good example for others? Just looking out for you!

Romo same to you about your thoughts on his cycle and your ideas as to what is extreme. People should be safer on this board about what they do and what they say is ok or not. Even the ones that should know better

[bjpennnn]

I would just say man, I am normally the guy that says just do it who cares, but this is a lot of gear and you are 23. I am 24 but when i run test its about 350mg ew. ya i ****ed around when i was younger and i will tell you what. I had 2 gyno surgeries, i was puking and spitting up blood, My blood preasure was through the roof, i had to get prescribed seraquil for a bit just becuase i thought i was going to ****ign kill someone or myself. i was going nuts. So many bad things came from it. Just run pct man. Honestly, in the long run it wont be worth it, one bro to another.

[JoeSmoe]

I've been there bro. GL and I hope you get to feeling better soon.

[Immortal Soldier]

Immortal your last quote in your last post in this thread is bad advice for everyone. Just because you won't be able to cycle this summer doesn't mean you should cram as much as you can in before then. Your 23 and doing cycles this big which is hard for me to understand as well. I am not trying to flame you but seriously you need to take a break for awhile and train natural till 25-26 and then think about maybe cycling again after. Really is this needed? Is this setting a good example for others? Just looking out for you!

Romo same to you about your thoughts on his cycle and your ideas as to what is extreme. People should be safer on this board about what they do and what they say is ok or not. Even the ones that should know better

I appreciate the concern let be know I NEVER CONDONE WHAT I DO IN MY CYCLES THEY ARE NOT FOR THE AVERAGE USER if anyone takes it that way that is their fault, alot seperates me from some n00bie or person looking for the cheap way out.

Honestly this is why no one should ever follow in my footsteps and why I preach against steroid abuse because you will reach the point where you are like me, you cannot get off no matter how bad you want to. You suffer from severe muscle dysmorphia to the point on certain days I don't wear nice shirts because I dont feel I am big enough and instead wearing baggy clothes or hate passing by mirrors because I can only tell myself how bad I look.

Each and everyday I suffer trying to get somewhere were I feel good, content with my body. I hate every second going by and just thinking how small I am.

But I recognize this is my last cycle for a while and am willing to check into rehab if I feel I wont be committed. I am very serious, my health is important to me even though it may seem its not.

[laduem88]

why dont you lower your test and let the tren do the work @ 800mg ew? dont want to get into what everyone is trying to say and just want to help. its a ton of gear bro, i think 800mg ew of both will be good and then take it from there

[Immortal Soldier]

why dont you lower your test and let the tren do the work @ 800mg ew? dont want to get into what everyone is trying to say and just want to help. its a ton of gear bro, i think 800mg ew of both will be good and then take it from there

Did 800mg on my last cycle it was breezy weezy. Like walking my dog on a sunset day lol

[laduem88]

Did 800mg on my last cycle it was breezy weezy. Like walking my dog on a sunset day lol

so? your also running tren @ 800mg

[Immortal Soldier]

so? your also running tren @ 800mg

Last time I did tren (last year around March)

I did 200mg/week of test and 700mg tren. This time I wanna see the difference when test is higher than tren.

[laduem88]

Last time I did tren (last year around March)

I did 200mg/week of test and 700mg tren. This time I wanna see the difference when test is higher than tren.

yea but if im not mistaken i remember the tren was under-dosed..

[FranciscoG]

I reread your last thread about which cycle to do. I am also read and thought about this cycle.

First and this is most important: Marcus and many others that stayed on talked about this on another thread. Franly it is just medical science. When you stay on (It does not matter if you drop the dosage and pick it back up, referancing what some call cruises and blasts), Your body will build up the RBC to the roof. This actually can be very dangerious. The start of this condition is when one feel like shit and just wants to sleep.

RBC is much different than test flue, which is hormonal imbalance, which as you pointed will go away shortly.

You will have lethargy on and off.

As for the dosages and other comments. Here again I reread your last cycle.

Is your logic to bump the dosage, simly that, you had raised the dosage prior cycles and you just wanted a higher dosage?

Frankly the dosage is your personal choice, IMHO I just want to know the reason behind it.

[laduem88]

I reread your last thread about which cycle to do. I am also read and thought about this cycle.

First and this is most important: Marcus and many others that stayed on talked about this on another thread. Franly it is just medical science. When you stay on (It does not matter if you drop the dosage and pick it back up, referancing what some call cruises and blasts), Your body will build up the RBC to the roof. This actually can be very dangerious. The start of this condition is when one feel like shit and just wants to sleep.

RBC is much different than test flue, which is hormonal imbalance, which as you pointed will go away shortly.

You will have lethargy on and off.

As for the dosages and other comments. Here again I reread your last cycle.

Is your logic to bump the dosage, simly that, you had raised the dosage prior cycles and you just wanted a higher dosage?

Frankly the dosage is your personal choice, IMHO I just want to know the reason behind it.

so people on trt will not notice a difference when running test higher?

[FranciscoG]

What people do here is not TRT or HRT, Let me explain.

The male body produces 50-70mg of testosteronª a week (different texts state different numbers)

When an indo rationally scripts a given male TRT that dosage is generally 100MG of test ent or test cyp in a given week. Which is true TRT because once the body removes the ester from there is 60 something mg of testosternª in the body.

True TRT is not, ¨well I think I am gonna take 200+mg of test a week, and hey old guy dont know shit about me thats the dosage that works for me¨

I have NEVER, not once, read hey I am gonna start my TRT 100mg a week.

[FranciscoG]

I am not going to high jack the thread, but I will leave it at, IMHO if your dosages are over 200% higher than the normal humans; you are just on cycle year round.

[Quo]

Honestly this is why no one should ever follow in my footsteps and why I preach against steroid abuse because you will reach the point where you are like me, you cannot get off no matter how bad you want to. You suffer from severe muscle dysmorphia to the point on certain days I don't wear nice shirts because I dont feel I am big enough and instead wearing baggy clothes or hate passing by mirrors because I can only tell myself how bad I look.

Each and everyday I suffer trying to get somewhere were I feel good, content with my body. I hate every second going by and just thinking how small I am.

Wow, man. I am really sad to hear this. But good for you for coming out and saying it. That takes balls.

Honestly, man, if you have body dysmorphia this bad, you might seriously want to consider getting help. This cycle you're running this time is pretty serious stuff, and at your age... well, you've heard it before.

I think pretty much everyone on this board suffers from body dysmorphia to a certain extent, or we wouldn't care enough to put these drugs in our bodies. In moderation, I don't see a problem with it, really. But when it starts taking over your life and you are willing to throw your health away for it, it's time to get some help.

Good luck, my man.

[laduem88]

What people do here is not TRT or HRT, Let me explain.

The male body produces 50-70mg of testosteronª a week (different texts state different numbers)

When an indo rationally scripts a given male TRT that dosage is generally 100MG of test ent or test cyp in a given week. Which is true TRT because once the body removes the ester from there is 60 something mg of testosternª in the body.

True TRT is not, ¨well I think I am gonna take 200+mg of test a week, and hey old guy dont know shit about me thats the dosage that works for me¨

I have NEVER, not once, read hey I am gonna start my TRT 100mg a week.

yea to what i understand 150mg-200mg is a good trt dose

[Immortal Soldier]

yea but if im not mistaken i remember the tren was under-dosed..

Yeah, but it was still higher than the test even considering the fact it was underdosed.

I reread your last thread about which cycle to do. I am also read and thought about this cycle.

First and this is most important: Marcus and many others that stayed on talked about this on another thread. Franly it is just medical science. When you stay on (It does not matter if you drop the dosage and pick it back up, referancing what some call cruises and blasts), Your body will build up the RBC to the roof. This actually can be very dangerious. The start of this condition is when one feel like shit and just wants to sleep.

RBC is much different than test flue, which is hormonal imbalance, which as you pointed will go away shortly.

You will have lethargy on and off.

As for the dosages and other comments. Here again I reread your last cycle.

Is your logic to bump the dosage, simly that, you had raised the dosage prior cycles and you just wanted a higher dosage?

Frankly the dosage is your personal choice, IMHO I just want to know the reason behind it.

The dosage increase deals with my desire to run tren at 700mg/800mg depending on how I feel. The test bumpage is because I felt the 800mg when crusing on 200mg is more like running 600mg instead of 800mg.

[BJJ]

I appreciate the concern let be know I NEVER CONDONE WHAT I DO IN MY CYCLES THEY ARE NOT FOR THE AVERAGE USER if anyone takes it that way that is their fault, alot seperates me from some n00bie or person looking for the cheap way out.

Honestly this is why no one should ever follow in my footsteps and why I preach against steroid abuse because you will reach the point where you are like me, you cannot get off no matter how bad you want to. You suffer from severe muscle dysmorphia to the point on certain days I don't wear nice shirts because I dont feel I am big enough and instead wearing baggy clothes or hate passing by mirrors because I can only tell myself how bad I look.

Each and everyday I suffer trying to get somewhere were I feel good, content with my body. I hate every second going by and just thinking how small I am.

But I recognize this is my last cycle for a while and am willing to check into rehab if I feel I wont be committed. I am very serious, my health is important to me even though it may seem its not.

This last sentence shows you need help, indeed.
Good Luck

[Swifto]

When usiung the Enanthate ester, hormone levels will peak after only 4-5 days.

[Swifto]

What are your stats IS?

[FranciscoG]

To the OP.

When I went to bed last night I was thinking about the one time I ran Tren Ace and Tren NE, I have never felt more emotionally uncertain than during that cycle.

Emotional issues can be indicative of other greater problems, from one´s evironment, One´s past, One´s current physcological stresses.

As I reread more of your thread a few times, I feel like what I am gonna say you might have a hard time doing. IMO, using tren (any ester(s)) can only contribute to emotional issues.

Also please take aspirin ED to keep your blood normal.

Much of what I feel comes from my own past. Tren was a contributing factor (made me emotionally weak) to staying in a bad relationship.

One must find his/her own path.

The issues you brought up in the later part of this thread need to be addressed. I will say IMO a new drug will just undermine a bad situation.

Perhaps you should consider starting a new thread in the lounge about other issues. I am sure you are not the only one.

[Mooseman33]

solid post PharmDoc....