From skinny to not so skinny

[vaders4]

Just finished my var cycle (only ran it for 30 days so it really didn't do much as far as size just good strength increases)

Anyway, here's me before training and after - wearing the same shirt for comparison.



Going to start my test e (maybe test c not sure) cycle in april.

Hoping to put on a solid 15-20.

ALL THE SIZE I GAINED WAS DONE NATURALLY.

I tried anavar for 30 days and got really bad back pumps and stopped. I DID NOT GAIN ANY SIZE THAT YOU SEE IN THOSE PICTURES DUE TO ANAVAR.

[Rockin Z28]

thanks steroids!! you have to take cycles to get to that size? not that you dont look better but CMON MAN! you went from anorexic to skinny, you seriously didnt need juice to do that

[vaders4]

You may be a little retarded, actually I'm quite sure of it.

I did not gain ANY size from the anavar, (actually I gained 3lbs) - I only had some good strength increases as I only ran it for 30 days.

The 30lbs I put on was done all natural.

BTW You look like a fat mess in your avatar, nice puffy nipples or possible gyno.

[CanYouDigIt]

what's this thread, "estrogen outburst"

Good work on looking a little more thick but, this shoulda been done naturally and you should stay away from gear.

[mcx]

x2.............

[gbrice75]

Vaders - not sure what all the hate is about, I think you made great gains regardless of how it was done. It may be because i'm a fat muscleless fu(k, but i'd be happy if I had your results.

I'm actually about to pick up some var myself and would be intersted in hearing about details of your cycle.

[Rockin Z28]

You may be a little retarded, actually I'm quite sure of it.

I did not gain ANY size from the anavar, (actually I gained 3lbs) - I only had some good strength increases as I only ran it for 30 days.

The 30lbs I put on was done all natural.

BTW You look like a fat mess in your avatar, nice puffy nipples or possible gyno.

that fat mess can rep 225 for 20 reps at 204 pounds and 16% bodyfat (calipered by two seperate people) and yes thats gyno from puberty :[..but really there is no defense for your situation, gear was not needed and still isn't

[vaders4]

Is there a serious comprehension problem around here?

ALL THE SIZE I GAINED WAS DONE NATURALLY.

I tried anavar for 30 days and got really bad back pumps and stopped. I DID NOT GAIN ANY SIZE THAT YOU SEE IN THOSE PICTURES DUE TO ANAVAR.

[vaders4]

that fat mess can rep 225 for 20 reps at 204 pounds and 16% bodyfat (calipered by two seperate people) and yes thats gyno from puberty :[..but really there is no defense for your situation, gear was not needed and still isn't

I'm sorry dude if you're 16% then I'm 9%

204lbs? You weigh 20 more lb than I do and you're calling me skinny? You have an easy 20lbs of fat.

[vaders4]

Vaders - not sure what all the hate is about, I think you made great gains regardless of how it was done. It may be because i'm a fat muscleless fu(k, but i'd be happy if I had your results.

I'm actually about to pick up some var myself and would be intersted in hearing about details of your cycle.

It didn't do anything as far as adding size, granted I only ran it for 30 days due to horrible back pumps. Your strength will go up around the 11-15 day mark.

If you are over weight then trying getting your diet in check. Anavar isn't a 'cutting' steroid like people think it is. Diet is the key.

I gained 30lbs from diet alone!

[IGot80HD]

Get your attitude in check kid.

[gbrice75]

It didn't do anything as far as adding size, granted I only ran it for 30 days due to horrible back pumps. Your strength will go up around the 11-15 day mark.

If you are over weight then trying getting your diet in check. Anavar isn't a 'cutting' steroid like people think it is. Diet is the key.

I gained 30lbs from diet alone!

What were your dosages throughout the 30 days?

I guess i'm not overweight at this point; calling myself a fat fu(k was a bit harsh. I'm at the point where I need to lose that last 10lbs. of bodyfat, particularly the mid-section (I lost roughly 70lbs over the past 14 months).

At this point I feel I do have my diet in check, it's all a matter of patience for me now. I was planning on running a var cycle in a few months, at which point I also intend to start a very clean bulk.

I realize Var isn't going to do much, but i've never taken AAS and would like to start with something very mild like Var. On another note - while you were running your Var cycle, what were your approx. daily calories? Were you cutting or bulking at the time?

[vaders4]

What were your dosages throughout the 30 days?

I guess i'm not overweight at this point; calling myself a fat fu(k was a bit harsh. I'm at the point where I need to lose that last 10lbs. of bodyfat, particularly the mid-section (I lost roughly 70lbs over the past 14 months).

At this point I feel I do have my diet in check, it's all a matter of patience for me now. I was planning on running a var cycle in a few months, at which point I also intend to start a very clean bulk.

I realize Var isn't going to do much, but i've never taken AAS and would like to start with something very mild like Var. On another note - while you were running your Var cycle, what were your approx. daily calories? Were you cutting or bulking at the time?

Dose was 60mg ED. I was getting about 3500 calories a day and roughly 300g of protein.

I was going to attempt to use the var to bulk, right when I felt like I was really about to start making gains I got really bad back pumps (which at the time I mistook for kidney pain) and stopped the var.

I'm now going clomid PCT 50/50 and so far I feel good.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

why do u keep emphasizing tha u gained 30lbs naturally? ive gained 110lbs since i was 18 naturally. i was 150 at 6'5" so what, u need to stop smashing on folks and just accept the comments, good or bad. we are all big boys so take critisism like a man an relax.On here it doesnt matter what u gained on cycle or naturally as long as ur coo wit it.ya dig?

[gbrice75]

Dose was 60mg ED. I was getting about 3500 calories a day and roughly 300g of protein.

I was going to attempt to use the var to bulk, right when I felt like I was really about to start making gains I got really bad back pumps (which at the time I mistook for kidney pain) and stopped the var.

I'm now going clomid PCT 50/50 and so far I feel good.

Nice, 3500 is about where I need to be to bulk. Hopefully i'll be ready to start in a few months (yes, bulking during the summer - I don't give a $hit!).

Forgive my ignorance, but what are back pumps?

One thing I don't get is when people say they made strength gains but no size gains on a AAS - in my mind, getting stronger = pushing more weight = bigger muscle. So couldn't it be said that any AAS, even Var can help with size gains, albeit indirectly?

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

certain anabolics increase overall mass very little thus are used by athletes trying to make a weight class. halotestin is very good for promoting strength...and anger.lol

[vaders4]

why do u keep emphasizing tha u gained 30lbs naturally? ive gained 110lbs since i was 18 naturally. i was 150 at 6'5" so what, u need to stop smashing on folks and just accept the comments, good or bad. we are all big boys so take critisism like a man an relax.On here it doesnt matter what u gained on cycle or naturally as long as ur coo wit it.ya dig?

I hear ya bro, damn 6'5 150? I thought I had a tough road, good shit man.

I keep putting emphasis on that I gained 30lbs naturally because this is a steroid forum and people assume, and I worked very hard to do so.

My normal (adult) size is 155-160lbs. If I do not stuff my face with food I will be this size, these are my genetics.

My goal weight is 200-205. I'm currently having problems breaking past 185, If I eat more, I just gain fat (I've been 190 but I had no abs). So I guess I'll have to keep lifting and see where it gets me, or run a cycle, or both!

[vaders4]

Nice, 3500 is about where I need to be to bulk. Hopefully i'll be ready to start in a few months (yes, bulking during the summer - I don't give a $hit!).

Forgive my ignorance, but what are back pumps?

One thing I don't get is when people say they made strength gains but no size gains on a AAS - in my mind, getting stronger = pushing more weight = bigger muscle. So couldn't it be said that any AAS, even Var can help with size gains, albeit indirectly?

Back pumps feel like someone is kicking you in your lower back. It only went away when I was laying/sitting down (mostly laying down).

Taurine can help with this though (2-5g a day)

As far as gaining strength and not size, you would think they go hand in hand but thats not so. The anavar gave me good strength increases but when stepping on the scale the gains were not there.

[tboney]

You may be a little retarded, actually I'm quite sure of it.

I did not gain ANY size from the anavar, (actually I gained 3lbs) - I only had some good strength increases as I only ran it for 30 days.

The 30lbs I put on was done all natural.

BTW You look like a fat mess in your avatar, nice puffy nipples or possible gyno.

This kind of behavior makes it quite clear that you are not mature enough to cycle anything!! Take you attitude somewhere else!

[vaders4]

This kind of behavior makes it quite clear that you are not mature enough to cycle anything!! Take you attitude somewhere else!

Ahh you must be a fatty too! "Rockin z28" was the first to comment with insults.

Calling someone anorexic is the same as calling them fat, any way you want to look at it.

[tboney]

Ahh you must be a fatty too! "Rockin z28" was the first to comment with insults.

Calling someone anorexic is the same as calling them fat, any way you want to look at it.

Thank you! You just made my point. I bet you have lots of friends???????????????

[vaders4]

Thank you! You just made my point. I bet you have lots of friends???????????????

No I have none, I sit at home, lonely and desolate searching for companionship

I just think it's funny, an over weight person, who has done steroids when they were over weight, and is STILL over weight has something to say. I also think it's funny when people who look like they stuff their face with pasta all day attempt to give advice.

[Rockin Z28]

No I have none, I sit at home, lonely and desolate searching for companionship

I just think it's funny, an over weight person, who has done steroids when they were over weight, and is STILL over weight has something to say. I also think it's funny when people who look like they stuff their face with pasta all day attempt to give advice.

i would say me and you are of comparable bodyfat, you chose to leave your shirt on for pics but i see no real "definition" just because you're small doesn't mean your lean..i would actually bet money i have within 2% bodyfat of you..and i DID say you looekd better, but those same results would have been achieved without any drugs! its as simple as that

[vaders4]

i would say me and you are of comparable bodyfat, you chose to leave your shirt on for pics but i see no real "definition" just because you're small doesn't mean your lean..i would actually bet money i have within 2% bodyfat of you..and i DID say you looekd better, but those same results would have been achieved without any drugs! its as simple as that

Ok lets post pictures of our stomachs, I'll go first.

What you are failing to miss is, those pictures are NOT POST ANAVAR PICTURES.


Here's me at the same body fat as you, because we are comparable right?

Ok your turn.

[Rockin Z28]

for comparison,.... regardless..just keep doing whatever ur doin since you've gained 30 pounds naturally

and now i see that youve edited the OP extensively, originally it was led to believe this was you post cycle..and now im gonna have to get batteries and post a stomach picture tonight to prove a point

[vaders4]

for comparison,.... regardless..just keep doing whatever ur doin since you've gained 30 pounds naturally

and now i see that youve edited the OP extensively, originally it was led to believe this was you post cycle..and now im gonna have to get batteries and post a stomach picture tonight to prove a point

I will 100% agree that I worded that wrong, and it appeared as if I was posting after pics of an anavar cycle.

I do not believe we are the same BF% though

I'm willing to bet I'm at about 12-14% BF

[FireGuy]

How long did it take you to gain the 30lbs?

[vaders4]

How long did it take you to gain the 30lbs?

Almost 2 years

[alexISthrowed]

Just finished my var cycle (only ran it for 30 days so it really didn't do much as far as size just good strength increases)

Anyway, here's me before training and after - wearing the same shirt for comparison.



Going to start my test e (maybe test c not sure) cycle in april.

Hoping to put on a solid 15-20.

ALL THE SIZE I GAINED WAS DONE NATURALLY.

I tried anavar for 30 days and got really bad back pumps and stopped. I DID NOT GAIN ANY SIZE THAT YOU SEE IN THOSE PICTURES DUE TO ANAVAR.

There is no way you will be ready to start a cycle in april.

[vaders4]

There is no way you will be ready to start a cycle in april.

And why is that?

I've been lifting for 2 years, my diet is locked in, I'm 30 years old.

Not everyone has genetics to be big, sometimes you need steroids to get there.

[IGot80HD]

How long did it take you to gain the 30lbs?

Almost 2 years

So you kept the same exact shirt for two years so you can show your before and after pics in that shirt? generally shirts, shrink, fade, rip, tear, get lost after two years. You must have kept it in shrink wrap in the closet im assuming

something isnt adding up to me. . .

[vaders4]

How long did it take you to gain the 30lbs?



So you kept the same exact shirt for two years so you can show your before and after pics in that shirt? generally shirts, shrink, fade, rip, tear, get lost after two years. You must have kept it in shrink wrap in the closet im assuming

something isnt adding up to me. . .

That shirt was old as hell to begin with, Yes I keep shirts for more than 2 years? I have shirts that are 5 years old, it's a tshirt man.

You know cotton stops shrinking after a few washes - and this might be a shock to you because your mother probably still does your laundry, but if you don't dry your clothes on the highest heat, they wont shrink.

Not to mention 90% of shirts are "preshrunk" cotton.

What shelf life do your clothes have? I usually don't lose/rip/destroy my clothes after 2 years.

[IGot80HD]

What shelf life do your clothes have? I usually don't lose/rip/destroy my clothes after 2 years.

i dont expect you to when they are in shrink wrap for two years.

1 year. styles fade. buy new clothes. donate old worthy clothes. toss the rest.

i wish my mum did my laundry.

take the stick out from up your ass. your girl aint creeping with me behind your back. get your anger out elsewhere

[vaders4]

i dont expect you to when they are in shrink wrap for two years.

1 year. styles fade. buy new clothes. donate old worthy clothes. toss the rest.

i wish my mum did my laundry.

take the stick out from up your ass. your girl aint creeping with me behind your back. get your anger out elsewhere

I dunno man, it's a tshirt and I don't buy them because they are in style.

Besides, I think it takes a good 6 months to even break in a pair of jeans! I keep jeans forever!

[IGot80HD]

you need more clothes drives at your office then

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...id=63259762001

[gbrice75]

This thread is getting ridiculous with all the insults - some people worry about keeping up with style and trends and therefore throw clothes out (or donate, whatever) after a year, others don't - who gives a $hit?

Can we get back to constructive criticism and advice now please?

[alexISthrowed]

And why is that?

I've been lifting for 2 years, my diet is locked in, I'm 30 years old.

Not everyone has genetics to be big, sometimes you need steroids to get there.

I should have said there is no way you will be ready to do a cycle in april. You have only been training for two years. You do not have a good enough base to work with. I think most people would agree you are not ready to start using aas.

[Bossman]

You made a big improvement from the before and after pictures "naturally". Gaining size takes a long time. It has taken me 5 years to bring my arms from 18-1/2" to 20". And I admit, it was AAS along with very hard training and proper diet that brought them up from 18-1/2"

Can you give me an idea of what your workout looks like? Are you training in a gym or at home? Have a training partner?

[vaders4]

You made a big improvement from the before and after pictures "naturally". Gaining size takes a long time. It has taken me 5 years to bring my arms from 18-1/2" to 20". And I admit, it was AAS along with very hard training and proper diet that brought them up from 18-1/2"

Can you give me an idea of what your workout looks like? Are you training in a gym or at home? Have a training partner?

Mind if I PM you?

[stevey_6t9]

Just finished my var cycle (only ran it for 30 days so it really didn't do much as far as size just good strength increases)

Anyway, here's me before training and after - wearing the same shirt for comparison.



Going to start my test e (maybe test c not sure) cycle in april.

Hoping to put on a solid 15-20.

ALL THE SIZE I GAINED WAS DONE NATURALLY.

I tried anavar for 30 days and got really bad back pumps and stopped. I DID NOT GAIN ANY SIZE THAT YOU SEE IN THOSE PICTURES DUE TO ANAVAR.

can you give us an example of your strength gains?