Wtf?...Help

[Warrior1700]

SO I go to a Urologist to see if there is anything else I can do about my ED. He cheks my levels and seems to think that I am fine(physically and hormonally).when I ask about elevated E2, he says go see this guy (expert on hormones)..whom I have inquired about before but have not gone to see cuz he doesnt accept ins. So I go see him...I was currently on 300mg Cyp at the time along with B12, self pinning. I know a bit high for THT. I have blood work and stuff if needed..but my main thing is...wtf is he trying to do? He starts a regimine of 100mg Cyp, 100mg deca, B12, and here comes the wtf....Stanozolol 25mg(inj) all once a week....then every morning, Armour Thyroid 60mg (my T3, T4 and TSH have all been normal), DHEA 25mg,and Oxandrin 25mg eod...He has me on a stack of a very low dose mixed bag...any opinions on his thoughts or opinions about any and al of the things he has me on...AND WHY? I know Stan is for cutting but Im not cutting/competing..he said it keeps E2 down as it doesnt convert. Or was that the Oxandrin? I dont even remember all the chit he said..I go back tomorrow for another inj and gonna inquire deeper into this mix. I wanted to just simply get my E2 in check and keep the Cyp goin....

[BJJ]

SO I go to a Urologist to see if there is anything else I can do about my ED. He cheks my levels and seems to think that I am fine(physically and hormonally).when I ask about elevated E2, he says go see this guy (expert on hormones)..whom I have inquired about before but have not gone to see cuz he doesnt accept ins. So I go see him...I was currently on 300mg Cyp at the time along with B12, self pinning. I know a bit high for THT. I have blood work and stuff if needed..but my main thing is...wtf is he trying to do? He starts a regimine of 100mg Cyp, 100mg deca, B12, and here comes the wtf....Stanozolol 25mg(inj) all once a week....then every morning, Armour Thyroid 60mg (my T3, T4 and TSH have all been normal), DHEA 25mg,and Oxandrin 25mg eod...He has me ona stack of very low dose mixed bag...any opinions on his thoughts or opinions about any and al of the things he has me on...AND WHY. I know Stan is for cutting but Im not cutting/competing..he said it keeps E2 dawn as it doesnt convert. Or was that the Oxandrin? I dont even remember all the hit he said..I go back tomorrow for another inj and gonna inquire deeper into this mix. I wanted to just simply get my E2 in check and keep the Cyp goin....

pls elaborate

[Warrior1700]

Hey bjj, on what specifically should I elaborate on please? Thank you

[BJJ]

Hey bjj, on what specifically should I elaborate on please? Thank you

What do you mean for a guy who is an expert on hormones?

[Warrior1700]

Sorry bjj, didnt not see the highlighted portion...

Dr Lichten. He is an MD, surgeon and Obgyn..who has studied Hormones for quite some time now, and has now gone into anti aging field..here is the link to his site. www.usdoctor.com

[BJJ]

You need to ask him directly what he is trying to achieve and why so many compounds.
Before guessing why he is acting like that, you need to figure out the reasons of his own actions on your organism by using those drugs.
It is your body after all and you need to have proper and clear answers.
Be outspoken.

[Warrior1700]

You need to ask him directly what he is trying to achieve and why so many compounds.
Before guessing why he is acting like that, you need to figure out the reasons of his own actions on your organism by using those drugs.
It is your body after all and you need to have proper and clear answers.
Be outspoken.

Roger that bjj as stated, I go see him tomorrow, and have researched the compounds and am somewhat informed so I can ask him directly what he is trying to do. Like you said, its my organism and I wanna know what is being put in and why. I have a somewhat sticky suspicion that he is full of himself and a bit of a witch doctor maybe, as he has all of the compounds in his office. I pretty much went in to get my E2 in check and when I told him I am taking Arimidex, he said that does not work, that he blocks the E2 from converting as oppose to trying to rid ourself of it after the fact with Arimidex.

I will see what he sais tomorrow and post the update. I really just wanna stay on Cyp(maybe a lower dose) and keep E2 in check and see if the ED improves. He also stated that Oxandrin will help with erections?? (or ED)

[BJJ]

Roger that bjj as stated, I go see him tomorrow, and have researched the compounds and am somewhat informed so I can ask him directly what he is trying to do. Like you said, its my organism and I wanna know what is being put in and why. I have a somewhat sticky suspicion that he is full of himself and a bit of a witch doctor maybe, as he has all of the compounds in his office. I pretty much went in to get my E2 in check and when I told him I am taking Arimidex, he said that does not work, that he blocks the E2 from converting as oppose to trying to rid ourself of it after the fact with Arimidex.

I will see what he sais tomorrow and post the update. I really just wanna stay on Cyp(maybe a lower dose) and keep E2 in check and see if the ED improves. He also stated that Oxandrin will help with erections?? (or ED)

If for Oxandrin you mean Oxandrolone, I would say no, it does not help with erections at all, unless you are taking warfarin with.

[Warrior1700]

Yes Oxandrolone is the understandin that I have, or Anavar...I dunno where he is coming from with this stuff, but I will inquire tomorrow for sure...no warfarin.

[Warrior1700]

Ok, just got back from the new Doc. This is gonna be lengthy I think, hope not...appologies in advance if it is...My blood work is this(in part from labcorp)..

Test serum 1034 ng/dL range 280-800
Estriadiol 27.0 pg/mL range 7.6-42.6

Reverse T3 399 pg/mL range 90-350
SHBG 22.1 nmol/L range 14.5-48.4
DHEA Sulfate 320.3 ug/dL range 44.3-331.0
IGF-1 186 ng/mL range 94-252
Vitamin D 25-Hydroxy 36.4 ng/mL range 32.0-100.0

These are just some of my numbers. Basically he is saying that my reverse T3 is too high. So he gives me Armour Thyroid to help that. as he said it changes my T3 and T4 regulation.

As far as the Stan, he said that is helps block estrogen @ 25mg inj weekly. He stated that our livestock is pumped with estrogen and that we ingest the meat and therefore it raises our estrogen. He said that he doesnt like Arimidex and that he doesnt think is works that well. So he is trying to bring my E2 down with Stan and less Cyp and adding back the 100mg Deca.

Now, as far as my E2, is came down from 63 since my last blood test in Oct, and all I was doin then until the new blood work was 300mg Cyp and .025 mg Arimidex weekly. So how is my E2 down then?

He is trying Oxandrin on me to see if it helps with erections? Dunno how but he said it works for him. And taking DHEA he said is just another natural Test booster?

He still wants my E2 below 25 and my SHBG around 6. Stating that the Stan will help block and lower my SHGB....

Told you this was a mouth full...Lmao

[BJJ]

Ok, just got back from the new Doc. This is gonna be lengthy I think, hope not...appologies in advance if it is...My blood work is this(in part from labcorp)..

Test serum 1034 ng/dL range 280-800
Estriadiol 27.0 pg/mL range 7.6-42.6

Reverse T3 399 pg/mL range 90-350
SHBG 22.1 nmol/L range 14.5-48.4
DHEA Sulfate 320.3 ug/dL range 44.3-331.0
IGF-1 186 ng/mL range 94-252
Vitamin D 25-Hydroxy 36.4 ng/mL range 32.0-100.0

These are just some of my numbers. post them all Basically he is saying that my reverse T3 is too high. So he gives me Armour Thyroid to help that. as he said it changes my T3 and T4 regulation.

As far as the Stan, he said that is helps block estrogen @ 25mg inj weekly. He stated that our livestock is pumped with estrogen and that we ingest the meat and therefore it raises our estrogen. He said that he doesnt like Arimidex and that he doesnt think is works that well. So he is trying to bring my E2 down with Stan and less Cyp and adding back the 100mg Deca. stan can be used for anaemia and in any case has adverse effect on cholesterol values. estrogen control???

Now, as far as my E2, is came down from 63 since my last blood test in Oct, and all I was doin then until the new blood work was 300mg Cyp and .025 mg Arimidex weekly. So how is my E2 down then? because of adex

He is trying Oxandrin on me to see if it helps with erections? Dunno how but he said it works for him. And taking DHEA he said is just another natural Test booster? oxandrolone can do that if taken + warfarin, dhea has a meaning on people above 40yo and in any case he told you "try it because it works for me". is this a joke? a doctor should rely on science facts and not on his own experience.

He still wants my E2 below 25 and my SHBG around 6. Stating that the Stan will help block and lower my SHGB.... below 25? I see not big deal from 27 to 25, especially because in doing this, he wants you to make worse your cholesterol values.

Told you this was a mouth full...Lmao

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[Warrior1700]

Post em all as in all 4 pages worth?..He tested nearly EVERYthing I think...lol. Except for cholesterol.


Kinda what I thought also...Now, as far as my E2, is came down from 63 since my last blood test in Oct, and all I was doin then until the new blood work was 300mg Cyp and .025 mg Arimidex weekly. So how is my E2 down then? because of adex

Lower SHBG values as well as Stan is bad for cholesterol values? Wow, everything has an effect on everything else..I just wanted to keep it simple...He still wants my E2 below 25 and my SHBG around 6. Stating that the Stan will help block and lower my SHGB.... below 25? I see not big deal from 27 to 25, especially because in doing this, he wants you to make worse your cholesterol values

So then taking DHEA is ok for me in your opinion? I am 47

[Warrior1700]

Did you look at his site www.usdoctor.com There is quite a bit of info on there, but does not talk about Oxandrin or Stan...

[BJJ]

Post em all as in all 4 pages worth?..He tested nearly EVERYthing I think...lol. Except for cholesterol.


Kinda what I thought also...Now, as far as my E2, is came down from 63 since my last blood test in Oct, and all I was doin then until the new blood work was 300mg Cyp and .025 mg Arimidex weekly. So how is my E2 down then? because of adex

Lower SHBG values as well as Stan is bad for cholesterol values? Wow, everything has an effect on everything else..I just wanted to keep it simple...He still wants my E2 below 25 and my SHBG around 6. Stating that the Stan will help block and lower my SHGB.... below 25? I see not big deal from 27 to 25, especially because in doing this, he wants you to make worse your cholesterol values

So then taking DHEA is ok for me in your opinion? I am 47

Did you look at his site www.usdoctor.com There is quite a bit of info on there, but does not talk about Oxandrin or Stan...

Stanozolol is bad for cholesterol values, SHBG has nothing to do with that.
If you are 47, DHEA could be of help.

[Warrior1700]

And lowering E2 has adverse effects on choloesterol as well? So Stan and lower E2 will adversly effect my cholesterol? He still wants my E2 below 25 and my SHBG around 6. Stating that the Stan will help block and lower my SHGB.... below 25? I see not big deal from 27 to 25, especially because in doing this, he wants you to make worse your cholesterol values

I am inj only 25mg Stan weekly, enuf to do anything or not worth the cost and effort..? what is wrong wioth just Cyp, Deca and Adex?

And what of the reverse T3 he talked about?

[Warrior1700]

Looks liek its just you and I on this thread, I have read some of your other posts..man you know this stuff it seems...how the heck?

[zaggahamma]

You need to ask him directly what he is trying to achieve and why so many compounds.
Before guessing why he is acting like that, you need to figure out the reasons of his own actions on your organism by using those drugs.
It is your body after all and you need to have proper and clear answers.
Be outspoken.

good advice for all....never leave that doctors office without knowing where theyre coming from and how they intend to help you

[BJJ]

And lowering E2 has adverse effects on choloesterol as well? So Stan and lower E2 will adversly effect my cholesterol? He still wants my E2 below 25 and my SHBG around 6. Stating that the Stan will help block and lower my SHGB.... below 25? I see not big deal from 27 to 25, especially because in doing this, he wants you to make worse your cholesterol values

I am inj only 25mg Stan weekly, enuf to do anything or not worth the cost and effort..? what is wrong wioth just Cyp, Deca and Adex?

And what of the reverse T3 he talked about?

Cholesterol is the precursor of vitamin D, of steroidal hormones and of the sex hormones (as androgens, testosterone, estrogen and progesterone).
So, just lowering estrogen cannot have a bad effect on cholesterol unless if, for doing this, one uses a drug which is not meant to achieve that purpouse; like stanozolol which is instead, very bad on cholesterol values.

I would not use it, simply.

Regarding T3, I have no idea what he meant. If your values (FT3, FT4 and TSH) were normal, why prescribing a drug?

[BJJ]

Looks liek its just you and I on this thread, I have read some of your other posts..man you know this stuff it seems...how the heck?

I am keen on pharmacology and read a lot, that is it.
Also, I like to spend time in private clinics to undergo exams of various nature and see the results for studying on them.
I like numbers!

[Warrior1700]

Hey Jpk, whats up?

Bjj, so I see that , that you keep up on pharmacology...

I guess to turn this around and instead of asking the forum(you) what the Doc is trying to do..lemme ask this.

What if any health or bodybuilding effects would 25mg weekly Stanazolol have, and whatif any health or bodybuilding effects would 25mg C-Oxandrin eod have, and same for 25mg C-DHEA daily...??

As far as the reverse T3 or rT3, my level is supposed to be high..399 in a range of 90-350. But my TSH , T4 and T3 levels are normal. rT3 is supposed to be a cell recptor blocker so that T3 cannot dock at the receptor properly because it is taken up by rT3..I think(lol)...least that's what I think I remeber him telling me. Its like having too many right handed gloves and not enuf left handed.

[BJJ]

Hey Jpk, whats up?

Bjj, so I see that , that you keep up on pharmacology...

I guess to turn this around and instead of asking the forum(you) what the Doc is trying to do..lemme ask this.

What if any health or bodybuilding effects would 25mg weekly Stanazolol have, healthy effects? have no idea... but I know is liver toxic, even though at that amount you should not have any issue, not even able to lower SHBG and whatif any health or bodybuilding effects would 25mg C-Oxandrin eod have the only effect for you would be to waste your money since oxandrolone has a very short half life and must be taken ed and surely more than 25 mg and as already said, it has been proven to help with erections if used with warfarin, and same for 25mg C-DHEA daily...?? too less, in any case I would not use it

As far as the reverse T3 or rT3, my level is supposed to be high..399 in a range of 90-350. But my TSH , T4 and T3 levels are normal. rT3 is supposed to be a cell recptor blocker so that T3 cannot dock at the receptor properly because it is taken up by rT3..I think(lol)...least that's what I think I remeber him telling me. Its like having too many right handed gloves and not enuf left handed. I do not know why he made you check T3 and T4 since they are obsolete... FT3 and FT4 are nowadays used. For the rest, sorry I do not understand why he is acting like this.

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[Warrior1700]

Ok, roger that, now I am getting down to the nitty gritty. Health effects I was just asking about whether or not there are any..since he is a health and anti-aging Dr...I was just curious as to whether there is another benefit as to why he might be giving this to me. So I now understand that there is none and I will discontinue the Stan and Oxandrin and DHEA. Stick to my Cyp and Deca and Amex I think.

Ok, I see that I have a Thyroxine T4 Free Direct value...

T4, free(direct) is 1.53 ng/mL with a range of 0.82-1.77

I do not see a FT3...on this blood work,just the reverse T3

A previous blood work panel shows a FT3 of 328 with a range of 230-420 pg/dL

I think he is just trying to sell Armour Thyroid as he says it help reduce the rT3...I will stop that as well now. For the rest, sorry I do not understand why he is acting like this.

[BJJ]

Ok, roger that, now I am getting down to the nitty gritty. Health effects I was just asking about whether or not there are any..since he is a health and anti-aging Dr...I was just curious as to whether there is another benefit as to why he might be giving this to me. So I now understand that there is none and I will discontinue the Stan and Oxandrin and DHEA. Stick to my Cyp and Deca and Amex I think.

Ok, I see that I have a Thyroxine T4 Free Direct value...

T4, free(direct) is 1.53 ng/mL with a range of 0.82-1.77

I do not see a FT3...on this blood work,just the reverse T3

A previous blood work panel shows a FT3 of 328 with a range of 230-420 pg/dL

I think he is just trying to sell Armour Thyroid as he says it help reduce the rT3...I will stop that as well now. For the rest, sorry I do not understand why he is acting like this.

Agree with the bold, definitely.
I just wanted you to realize it on your own.
I believe also, you should realize another thing, always on your own...

[Warrior1700]

Hmmmm..thinking...a lil help please?, thank you. I believe also, you should realize another thing, always on your own...

[Billytk03z]

If your Rt3 is high as in your case then you need to take only straight t3 and not a T4/T3 combo as in armour, etc... The only way to clear out Rt3 out of your body is to get your body to stop making T4 which is being converted to Rt3, this is accomplished by supplementing straight T3... Your doctor is an idiot for giving you a T4, its only throwing more gasoline to the fire..

you need to google Rt3 dominance and you will find out all the info you need...