What's so bad about bloat?

[javerton]

Sorry if this has been posted before, I searched.

I see a lot of posts here about people using adex and other drugs when they start to see a bloat/prevent bloating. I was just wondering what was so bad about it? I mean it's just some water, you lose it after your cycle right? If anything it will help you push more weight as you're going to weigh more (yes even if it's water, just like fat, it provides stabilisation etc).

Thanks for any help you guys can give on this.

[NVR2BIG1]

yes, correct you are. Water retention can be a good thing when you speak of joint protection, muscle volumization and strength. But most people who use steroids are trying to look better, and being bloated isn't necessarily looking better to them. Now a few on the other hand(myself included) just dont give a shit because when we're bulking we're bulking, and cutting is cutting. I sacrifice how I look half the year to look larger when I'm conditioned. Some guys can't handle that, its a mental game. There are days where I want to be conditioned again, but I have to remind myself of the big picture, no pun intended. The only other thing about bloat which is bad, is carrying the water is not good on your body or organs. It makes it extremely hard to breath good and you just dont feel healthy.

[c-Z]

Agreed with above statement. When I bulk I bulk. Idc about bloat...

[Phate]

water retention raises blood pressure putting more strain on capillary walls, that's one reason we recommend people be at a low bf% before they start

[NVR2BIG1]

water retention raises blood pressure putting more strain on capillary walls, that's one reason we recommend people be at a low bf% before they start

yes, very good point indeed

[javerton]

water retention raises blood pressure putting more strain on capillary walls, that's one reason we recommend people be at a low bf% before they start

I'm at 12% right now, will be at 7-8% when I start. This did raise a few questions though:

-If I'm at 8% bf, how much will the bloat affect me aesthetically, I'm really not worried, just curious? Ie face etc.
-How long does the bloat last after the cycle is finished?

I wouldn't mind a little bloat for 8 or 12 weeks, no big deal to me. Thanks for the help so far guys, much appreciated.

[c-Z]

If bloat is your concern. Adex .25mg eod should be just fine. When I cycled without it. I noticed minor bloating. OFC everyone is different though.

[Phate]

I'm at 12% right now, will be at 7-8% when I start. This did raise a few questions though:

-If I'm at 8% bf, how much will the bloat affect me aesthetically, I'm really not worried, just curious? Ie face etc.
-How long does the bloat last after the cycle is finished?

I wouldn't mind a little bloat for 8 or 12 weeks, no big deal to me. Thanks for the help so far guys, much appreciated.

it won't be much of a problem for you as long as your diet is in check, water retention as well as most estrogen related sides increase with higher bf% due to the fact that higher bf% means more aromatase receptors

aromatase is an enzyme that converts testosterone into estrogen, so lower bf% have less propensity for bloat due to less aromatase

[javerton]

it won't be much of a problem for you as long as your diet is in check, water retention as well as most estrogen related sides increase with higher bf% due to the fact that higher bf% means more aromatase receptors

aromatase is an enzyme that converts testosterone into estrogen, so lower bf% have less propensity for bloat due to less aromatase

Excellent, cheers mate. Any approximations on how much bloat I would get exactly? I'm an ecto with a small bone structure if that helps. I'm not all that fussed, would be nice to be ready for it though.

Also, how long after finishing the cycle will the bloat remain?

[Phate]

Excellent, cheers mate. Any approximations on how much bloat I would get exactly? I'm an ecto with a small bone structure if that helps. I'm not all that fussed, would be nice to be ready for it though.

Also, how long after finishing the cycle will the bloat remain?

impossible to tell really, too many variables that come into play

[Hard.On]

I dont like it because i blow up way too fast and everyone can tell im on a cycle.
I dont want anyone to know

[Eddie_m63]

water retention raises blood pressure putting more strain on capillary walls, that's one reason we recommend people be at a low bf% before they start

I have no bloating whatsoever, week six of test decca, my bf was higher then most would recommend, everything looks bigger, more define but no bloating and i can tell you my body fat is not near 10%.

[number28]

I dont like it because i blow up way too fast and everyone can tell im on a cycle.
I dont want anyone to know

totally agree^^^
i want to try and avoid the moon face as much as possible, and wouldnt all that additional water contribute to strechmarks?

[Phate]

I have no bloating whatsoever, week six of test decca, my bf was higher then most would recommend, everything looks bigger, more define but no bloating and i can tell you my body fat is not near 10%.

then you are lucky, a friend of mine is like that, he very rare gets any sides from test, makes me jealous sometimes lol

[javerton]

Ok, I'll broaden the scopes a bit. What do many people report on here (with varying bodyfats) ie. how much bloat does a person get when they're at 7% or 12% etc. Also, how long did it take to go away? There would be many people here who have themselves had experience and watched other so I'm sure they can vouch. Any of you guys want to share your experiences?

I'm thinking of doing 500mg EW (2 doses) test e for 8 or 12 weeks, with dbol 40mg ED for the first four weeks if that helps..

Thanks again fellas.

[javerton]

bump

[darkcrayz]

water retention raises blood pressure putting more strain on capillary walls, that's one reason we recommend people be at a low bf% before they start

my question. wouldnt it be a better indicator to look at fat body AND blood pressure? some people can be bigger and still have decent blood pressure. that being the case you could still run at a higher body and not be at risk. granted it would be better to be leaner so your bp is lower. thoughts?

[Phate]

my question. wouldnt it be a better indicator to look at fat body AND blood pressure? some people can be bigger and still have decent blood pressure. that being the case you could still run at a higher body and not be at risk. granted it would be better to be leaner so your bp is lower. thoughts?

correct, more measurements always equal more accurate predictions, but water retention isn't the only concern at higher bf%, more aromatization takes place as well due to more aromatase receptors(some of which are housed in fat), and since you are injecting all the test your body is using, more aromatization=less free testosterone=less gains(though if that would be a noticable decrease i don't know)

[darkcrayz]

correct, more measurements always equal more accurate predictions, but water retention isn't the only concern at higher bf%, more aromatization takes place as well due to more aromatase receptors(some of which are housed in fat), and since you are injecting all the test your body is using, more aromatization=less free testosterone=less gains(though if that would be a noticable decrease i don't know)

thanks, forgot about the amortization factor.

[HustlerBrah]

what annoys me about bloat is not knowing whether my caloiriess are tuned enough.........

so i'm always thinkin oh shiet it's fat oh wait it's water oh no it's fat..

so that's my tree fitty cents

[javerton]

Ok, I'll broaden the scopes a bit. What do many people report on here (with varying bodyfats) ie. how much bloat does a person get when they're at 7% or 12% etc. Also, how long did it take to go away? There would be many people here who have themselves had experience and watched other so I'm sure they can vouch. Any of you guys want to share your experiences?

I'm thinking of doing 500mg EW (2 doses) test e for 8 or 12 weeks, with dbol 40mg ED for the first four weeks if that helps..

Thanks again fellas.

bumping this.

[mg1228]

im at 8% ran 5 weeks of test e then switched to 100mg prop eod--been on .125 mg ldex ed till this week where i lowered it to .125mg eod---no bloat whatsover---except day after a cheat meal maybe---diet is super clean though at maint cals

hope this helps as we may b close to same stats--atleast bf%

[javerton]

im at 8% ran 5 weeks of test e then switched to 100mg prop eod--been on .125 mg ldex ed till this week where i lowered it to .125mg eod---no bloat whatsover---except day after a cheat meal maybe---diet is super clean though at maint cals

hope this helps as we may b close to same stats--atleast bf%

Yeah we would be similar mate, though you're a bit bigger than me now in my current state! I'll be doing either test e 500mg a week with 40mg dbol ED to kickstart the first 4 weeks (12 week cycle) or an undecided cycle of prop, possibly 100mg EOD, I really haven't looked into it more in detail as I've been reading about other things on here as I won't be starting my cycle for a while yet.

I was reading before about the prop, because it's such a short ester, does it kick in a lot quicker? I might not even need the dbol.

I don't think I'll use the adex either, only if gyno starts to surface, too many people on here saying it kills gains.

Any other things you want to mention mate? Thanks for the post btw.

[mg1228]

Yeah we would be similar mate, though you're a bit bigger than me now in my current state! I'll be doing either test e 500mg a week with 40mg dbol ED to kickstart the first 4 weeks (12 week cycle) or an undecided cycle of prop, possibly 100mg EOD, I really haven't looked into it more in detail as I've been reading about other things on here as I won't be starting my cycle for a while yet.

I was reading before about the prop, because it's such a short ester, does it kick in a lot quicker? I might not even need the dbol.

I don't think I'll use the adex either, only if gyno starts to surface, too many people on here saying it kills gains.

Any other things you want to mention mate? Thanks for the post btw.

yea the prop kicks in alot quicker, in ur system in 2-3days and u wouldnt need the dbol---less bloat too from what i hear--because of the frequent injections

from what i read everybody seems to react different on adex, idk---im up 8.5lbs so far and i seem to b leaner---all lifts are up aswell--bench on monday was up 30lbs and 2 reps after 5 weeks

[javerton]

yea the prop kicks in alot quicker, in ur system in 2-3days and u wouldnt need the dbol---less bloat too from what i hear--because of the frequent injections

from what i read everybody seems to react different on adex, idk---im up 8.5lbs so far and i seem to b leaner---all lifts are up aswell--bench on monday was up 30lbs and 2 reps after 5 weeks

Yeah, I might have to change up my plan a bit haha, I've been reading so many good things about prop in this forum lately, seems much better. 100mg EOD doesn't seem like much at all though really? That's what I see a lot of other guys recommending too.. Might do prop and prop only as a first cycle, would be nice to just keep it clean and stay away from the possible bad effects of dbol, try it out in a later cycle.

Do you mean 5 weeks into your prop that is? I would be eating off my head when I'm on, as I'd already be as lean as I'd want (7-8%), talking 450+ protein etc. Can't wait haha.

[mg1228]

i stwitched to prop in week 5, which was last monday---yesterday started week 2 of prop

i think prop has more test per mg because of the short ester