Dr. put me on Testosterone Cypionate and...

[Bamascoop]

...I have some questions.

I am 42 years old, 195lbs, 5'9" and in pretty good shape other than a little belly fat. I don't drink or smoke and was prescribed testosterone cypionate injections due to low testosterone levels. I am currently giving myself 1cc injections (200mg/1cc) once every ten days and have been doing this for about 6 weeks.

My question is this. Is that enough to see any gains in the weightroom? I have never done any type of steroid and most of the information I have seen says that you need to take 500mg - 1000mg weekly during a cycle but I am going to be taking these injections consistently every ten days, not in a cycle, so will I see any benfits from this?

Also, is there anything I can take (stacking with other supplements) that will work with the testosterone injections?

I have no intentions of getting huge at my age but I would like to look better and build some muscle, so is this possible?

Thank you!

[c-Z]

No you wont get huge off that... see very little if anything.

[glennyo1981]

i think you should take a shot on mondays and thursadays, or whatever days you prefer, 1cc each shot. do that for a couple months and you will look better. theres alot of other things you can stack, some of these other guys will give you better advice than i will so ill leave it up too them

[soulstealer]

It would be better to split up the injections and do em every 3-4 days... and you will get some kinda gain in muscle mass/decrease in bodyfat... but dont expect it to be amazing.....

Have you ever cycled before?

[c-Z]

If your looking to gain since you are basically cruising now on a trt dose. You could blast to a cycle.. of say about 500mgs. You could try using an oral like anavar which is more mild with side affect but will still see good gains. It all varies on your goals. What exactly are you looking to achieve?

[kojak_x]

That amount of Test back in your system is just going to get you back to normal levels of what a average male would have your age or abit better.

Now me already being at normal levels, if I were to take 500 every week on top of my normal levels. Im sure you can see how much more I would have in my body. Hence it would make me put on a great deal of muscle provided I know what Im doing concerning diet, working out etc.....

[taiwanguy]

That amount of Test back in your system is just going to get you back to normal levels of what a average male would have your age or abit better.

Now me already being at normal levels, if I were to take 500 every week on top of my normal levels. Im sure you can see how much more I would have in my body. Hence it would make me put on a great deal of muscle provided I know what Im doing concerning diet, working out etc.....

Uh, isn't this... wrong? Injecting 500mg test is injecting 500mg test. (and 600, 700, 800, and so on and so forth.) It's not based on what your previous levels were as your natural testosterone gets shut off when you're on, that's the whole point of doing PCT (so that you can get your levels from being garbage to back to normal.)

Also, I dunno how HRT works, but I assume you get a limited supply and can't just blast 500-600+ a week and go get a refill. (So if he does blast and isn't using any outside source for testosterone, he'll be shut down until his next prescription, yes?)

[glennyo1981]

That amount of Test back in your system is just going to get you back to normal levels of what a average male would have your age or abit better.

Now me already being at normal levels, if I were to take 500 every week on top of my normal levels. Im sure you can see how much more I would have in my body. Hence it would make me put on a great deal of muscle provided I know what Im doing concerning diet, working out etc.....

how would it add on top of your normal levels considering your normal levels drop off after you add the extra test

[glennyo1981]

Uh, isn't this... wrong? Injecting 500mg test is injecting 500mg test. (and 600, 700, 800, and so on and so forth.) It's not based on what your previous levels were as your natural testosterone gets shut off when you're on, that's the whole point of doing PCT (so that you can get your levels from being garbage to back to normal.)

Also, I dunno how HRT works, but I assume you get a limited supply and can't just blast 500-600+ a week and go get a refill. (So if he does blast and isn't using any outside source for testosterone, he'll be shut down until his next prescription, yes?)

sorry, beat me too it

[c-Z]

500mg of test isnt 500mg of test. you have to take into consideration of the ester as well..... he will not have to do pct if he is cruising at a trt dose that hsi doctor prescribed him.

If he wants gains he cant use up what his doctor gave him. He needs an outside source. Using what the doc prescribed him will only cause him to run out quicker....

i think you were misunderstanding what kojak was saying....

[Jbert22]

Correct Tai. It only takes a few injections to shut u down. Therefore natty test will have nothin to do with how many mg are dosed. And correct me if I'm wrong C but Anadrol isn't a mild steroid. No offense bro

[c-Z]

I said anavar not anadrol?

this thread is so damn confusing....

this guy doesn't have to worry about being shut down or anything he is already on trt his doc prescribed him....

[Jbert22]

Lol I'm sorry man. I was ok? I know u know what ur talkin about and I was second guessing myself. Lol

[c-Z]

Lol I'm sorry man. I was ok? I know u know what ur talkin about and I was second guessing myself. Lol

Im so confused with this......

Lets start all this over....

Guy on trt prescribed by his doctor. He is on this due to low test. SO obviously his levels are low to begin with or else his do wouldn't have put him on it. So shutting his natty test down is not a problem. because he is basically just cruising now.

NOW he wants to get in better shape... At 200mgs you will see very little gains. His options...

To blast.

I am sure the script he has is supposed to last XX amount of weeks. So therefore NO i wouldn't say use it all up and shut yourself down rest. I am saying blast too a cycle. If he wants he can get cyp from a source and double his dose for 10-12 weeks. And come off. NO PCT ISN'T required. He is on trt.

Or he can run something like var a more mild oral with very little side effect on top of his trt dose. Once again PCT isn't needed. He is on TRT

Depends on his goals really.

[Jbert22]

true true. i wonder if mentally and physically he could lay off the shots and save up the test to run a lil higher dose once he gets a couple of vials? that could take months though without supplementing test so idk if that is a good idea

[Bamascoop]

My goals are to see some gain but nothing dramatic. I would like to see some increase in muscle but mostly I would like to burn fat. I think my doctor would be ok with it if I told him I wanted to increase my dose, but I may be wrong. I started out taking it every 14 days and after six weeks he drew blood and shortened the time to every 10 days. He said we may go to once a week. Would I see gains at once a week of 200mg? He said that he will prescribe me this as long as I want to take it so I am not worried about the supply.

Also, can I order extra testoterone on line or do I have to have a prescription? I appologize if these are stupid questions but I know nothing about this.

[Jbert22]

or he could tell his doc he doesnt feel anything from the 200 mg per 10 days and get his script boosted maybe?

[Bamascoop]

true true. i wonder if mentally and physically he could lay off the shots and save up the test to run a lil higher dose once he gets a couple of vials? that could take months though without supplementing test so idk if that is a good idea

It wouldn't be worth it to stay off the testosterone. I actually thought I had a serious medical condition which is what prompted me to seek medical attention in the first place. I barely had enough energy to take a shower and now I feel like I could run through a wall. I have not felt like this since I was a kid.

[Jbert22]

it is possible but we do not post sources on here. be carefull with that too man. like i said earlier your best bet would be to get with your doc and tell him what your goals are and he might up the test a lil or at least for a period of time to get where you want. if your doctor isnt some dipshit he or she could do this for you

[Bamascoop]

Thanks for all your comments!!

[c-Z]

With reading this.

I wouldn't recommend saving up what the doc has prescribed. And then cycling with it. If you can get your hands on some more test c. You can very well double the dose for 10-12 weeks and blast. And then drop back down to your trt dose. Or you could just run some anavar if you can get your hands on some(mild with little side affects but will yield good results.). You could try PH's since you don;t have to worry about shutting yourself down as well.... Definitely would run some liver support.

What does your diet look like. And training schedule?

[Jbert22]

yep good luck bro. lots of helpfull guys on this site!!! my advice is stay on here! lol

[taiwanguy]

Regardless of getting shut down, certain PH can be very harsh on your body. I wouldn't personally recommend them to someone on HRT over someone that's not, but that's me.

If the goal is to lose fat, you should definitely be looking to fixing diet and exercise (mainly diet, I'd think.) Most steroids don't in and of themselves do a great deal to aid in fat loss, rather in muscle retention/gain. Nutrition is undoubtedly your key for the fat loss.

[2crazy]

I would think you would notice some depending on how long your levels where low. Your not going to get the same effect as running 500mgs a week but going from low to normal levels is going to give you something. And like someone said tell him your not feeling much he might bump you up.

[oak2429]

he should gain a lil if his test was real low. i know its only gonna bump him up to his natural level but its still more then he had before so he should gain a lil off of it

[dec11]

i'd of thought with a good diet he'd gain some on 200mg, isnt the natural production on average equating to 70mgs per week and therefore he'll have more than enough test ?

[c-Z]

i'd of thought with a good diet he'd gain some on 200mg, isnt the natural production on average equating to 70mgs per week and therefore he'll have more than enough test ?

Got to take into consideration the fact that its not exactly 200mgs of test. The ester as well is apart of that. I forget the break down of it all... But unless hes shooting i would think suspension. Its not the exact amount.

[c-Z]

Regardless of getting shut down, certain PH can be very harsh on your body. I wouldn't personally recommend them to someone on HRT over someone that's not, but that's me.

If the goal is to lose fat, you should definitely be looking to fixing diet and exercise (mainly diet, I'd think.) Most steroids don't in and of themselves do a great deal to aid in fat loss, rather in muscle retention/gain. Nutrition is undoubtedly your key for the fat loss.

PH's are and can be just as harsh as oral steroids. And if ran properly I see no harm. He has a constant supply of test going into his system. Therefore the 18 year old kid who just decides hey i want this PH to take. Bam natural test is shut down. Being on trt he doesn't have to worry about being shut down. Because he already is.

[dec11]

Got to take into consideration the fact that its not exactly 200mgs of test. The ester as well is apart of that. I forget the break down of it all... But unless hes shooting i would think suspension. Its not the exact amount.

ah yeah, realise that also, thats why i chose test e to cruise on rather than c as its dosed at 250mg pw. he'd still be at least double the natural amount though, wouldnt he?

[c-Z]

Ummmmmmm I forget the exact amount... But average male from what i have read makes like 50-75mgs ew. So yeah I would imagine. Still isn't enough to see amazing gains though. If he has suffered low test for awhile then yeah it probably hast yielded his gains. But its not like hes going to gain 20 lbs in the next 8 weeks.

[dec11]

Ummmmmmm I forget the exact amount... But average male from what i have read makes like 50-75mgs ew. So yeah I would imagine. Still isn't enough to see amazing gains though. If he has suffered low test for awhile then yeah it probably hast yielded his gains. But its not like hes going to gain 20 lbs in the next 8 weeks.

ah no, no way it'll boost him tht much, still should give him a good helping hand though

[presto1]

Bro, I think I can help you out. I'm 43, 6'3" and 289lbs and low body fat. I play minor league football so I have to be in better shape than your average 40+ guy because I square off against 20 somethings every Saturday during the Summer months.

I've been on HRT for about two years and recently finished a cycle. I use Testim which gets rubbed on your skin every day instead of the headache of going to the Doc to get the shot every 10 days. I bagged the Testim for 12 weeks and substituted with 500MG of Test Cyp (two shots a week) from an outside source. Most HRT supplies are for 30 days and can't be refilled ahead of time so I stockpiled my scrip supply for three months. YOU DO NOT WANT TO STOP TAKING TEST COMPLETELY, EVER! You'll be crying like a chick in a few days!

Anyway, I used the Test Cyp with Boldenone (500mg week) for 12 weeks and saw amazing gains that have stayed almost a month after I finished the cycle. Being on HRT allows you a couple of advantages. You don't need an outside cource for Test but you still have the option and you won't need any HRT because your natural Test production shut down permanently once you started HRT. Estrogen can still be a problem however though I didn't experience that issue.

My advice would be to get your doctor on board first. Though they won't provide anything to help you in the way of scripts, they are almost always willing to keep an eye on your bloodwork before, during, and after the cycle as well as things like blood pressure, etc. Most Doc's understand that 40+ dudes can make their own decisions and it isn't like we're some teenager who could cause serious damage to our bodies. I'm not trying to downplay any health risks involved, just saying everything has side effects and doctors can help manage them. Like my Doc always says, "We're both trying to make sure you live a long and healthy life, we just don't always agree on how to do it!"

Hope that helped a little. Go with the HRT Test dose and something mild like Boldenone and you'll see a difference. Like everyone else said, it depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

[yungone501]

LOL @ this crazy a$$ thread.

C-z, give it up man.

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Just my 2 cents. I think if you where low on test naturally...Then even at the TRT dose you will feel better, have better workouts, lose some fat and gain some muscle because you will have a "normal" test level again. It wont be drastic but you would gain some and maybe help in losing the few lbs around the gut. If you do want more drastic results you would need to supliment your test with another shot/week...like they said bring it to around 500mg/week.

Also personally I would take what the doctor gave you and stay at that dose for a bit and see how you like it. If you get the results your looking for then great, no extra cash is going out on gear. ALso I would talk to your doctor about using it more frequently to keep your blood levels more stable. I read a study saying that less mg wise more frequently gave better results and more stable blood levels than the 200mg every 10 days. Something to think about.

My goals are to see some gain but nothing dramatic. I would like to see some increase in muscle but mostly I would like to burn fat. I think my doctor would be ok with it if I told him I wanted to increase my dose, but I may be wrong. I started out taking it every 14 days and after six weeks he drew blood and shortened the time to every 10 days. He said we may go to once a week. Would I see gains at once a week of 200mg? He said that he will prescribe me this as long as I want to take it so I am not worried about the supply.

Also, can I order extra testoterone on line or do I have to have a prescription? I appologize if these are stupid questions but I know nothing about this.

[Cutlertx]

Im so sick of people not knowing what the **** they are talking about. I juiced regularly 10 years ago and am now on TRT therapy at 200mg/2 weeks. Of course i split this up into 100mg/week.

You guys are saying this is not enough to make gains on but in the 2 months ive been taking it ive lost body fat and gained 15 pounds AND i worked out before i started taking it.

YOU CAN and WILL make gains on 200mg/10 days if you havent juiced in a long time.

[JohnnyVegas]

Just my 2 cents. I think if you where low on test naturally...Then even at the TRT dose you will feel better, have better workouts, lose some fat and gain some muscle because you will have a "normal" test level again. It wont be drastic but you would gain some and maybe help in losing the few lbs around the gut.

This is what happened to me. 200mg/week put on muscle and shed a little fat even without heavy workouts.

[dec11]

Im so sick of people not knowing what the **** they are talking about. I juiced regularly 10 years ago and am now on TRT therapy at 200mg/2 weeks. Of course i split this up into 100mg/week.

You guys are saying this is not enough to make gains on but in the 2 months ive been taking it ive lost body fat and gained 15 pounds AND i worked out before i started taking it.

YOU CAN and WILL make gains on 200mg/10 days if you havent juiced in a long time.

you do realise this thread is a year ago?

[Juice Authority]

Lots of misinformation on this thread. Can you grow off 200mgs/e10days? Yes. Can you get stronger off of 200mgs/e10days. Yes. That is a typical TRT script. Gains on TRT have more to do with your diet, training regimen and supplements. I feel great cruising on a low dose test. Sometimes less is more.

[Bonaparte]

Did this thread really need to be resurrected?

[JohnnyVegas]

Did this thread really need to be resurrected?

I didn't notice it was old when I responded. How does this happen, someone searching for a term and then responding to something old? I just noticed it was revived as someone's first post.