Is 2 months off between cycles too short?

[TTLex]

In the past Ive always followed the general rule of thumb of being off cycle as long as your on...ie, 12 weeks on, 12 weeks off.

I will be finishing up a 12 wk cycle at the end of feb of 600mg a wk of Test Cy
p, and 400mg of Deca for the first 10wks. I also had a kick start for the first 4 wks of Dbol.

I want to start a new cycle on the 1st of May of Cyp and Tren. Is 2 months way too short of a time off for this? Keeping in mind 1 of those months I will be doing PCT, so really 1 month completey clean.

Am I pushing m luck?

[Eddie_m63]

Too Short, wait a little longer.

[TTLex]

Yeah man, I pretty much knew what the answers would be, just wishfull thinking. I ****ed my timing up with what date I would end this cycle. Oh well, guess I will follow my own gut instinct and push it back another month or so.

[Little Herc]

you can have your blood test done to make sure everything is normal then hit it again. I don't see a problem as long as your not doing it every time.

[c-Z]

Too Short, wait a little longer.

Are you a doctor? If so did you do the tests?


OP. The thing is. Time on + PCT = Time off. However this is just stated because there is no exact timing, but we use this to be safe. You have to take into consideration we all recover at different rates. One may recover in 2 months meanwhile the next guy may recover in 3-4 months.

The only sure way to know is to get blood work....

[Eddie_m63]

Are you a doctor? If so did you do the tests?


OP. The thing is. Time on + PCT = Time off. However this is just stated because there is no exact timing, but we use this to be safe. You have to take into consideration we all recover at different rates. One may recover in 2 months meanwhile the next guy may recover in 3-4 months.

The only sure way to know is to get blood work....

NO, but i still think that one month is too short. Sure the body is an amazing machine but still lets not abuse it. So after a 3 month cycle not including pct, he should wait 1 month before he goes up again right? I guest he needs some blood work as either of us can't answer his question professionally.

[TTLex]

Ive always done proper PCT's, but have never had blood work done. What are you guys saying to your docs when y ou get blood work done? How do you approach the issue?

thanks

[c-Z]

Ive always done proper PCT's, but have never had blood work done. What are you guys saying to your docs when y ou get blood work done? How do you approach the issue?

thanks

How long EXACTLY after PCT will you have off?

And your doctor is your friend. Do not hesitate to tell him why you want bloodwork. I used to not want tot talk to my doc. Until I did a quad injection and it went bad. Swelling went down a week later. Shot my other quad swole up even worse. So i went to my doctor. As he pondered the reasoning to all of it. I just spit out "OK doc let me be honest with you..." *As his eyes open up like wtf are you going to tell me* I was just like "I did a shot here". And he was fine. he said ok what did you shoot. How long ago. Where exactly did you shoot it... Talked to me made sure I was using clean needles etc... Put me on meds and out the door i went.

My point to my story is. Don't be afraid of him. He is there to help you. Tell him you cycled and want blood work...

[TTLex]

usually I will take off the same amount of time I am on plus the pct. So if I do a 12wk cycle, and pct for 4 wks, I would stay off 16wks. Mt PCT will be over at the end of march. I wanted to kick it back up in May, but thats cutting me real short from what Iusually do.

[c-Z]

2 months total basically... its close. And personally every ones body is different like i said. Only blood tests will tell.... The time on + pct= time off is just a parroted precaution. See how you feel in two months. Talk to your doc.

I know some who had erection problems around that time still. And it took longer for it all to bounce back. I wouldn't want to say your good to go and be wrong because I am no doc. But it is your body bro.

[TTLex]

good advice, thanks bro

[JimInAK]

I would be VERY reluctant to tell any doctor anything that could be used against me.

If I were to tell a doctor ANYTHING that i didn't want to have published in the newspaper for everyone to read, I'd go in the office under a false name and SS#.

They won't know, especially if you pay cash.

Insurance companies deny people coverage and/or charge higher rates, when they discover what you disclosed to a doctor in what you think is a confidential setting.

If you admit to smoking pot, you will be DENIED an organ transplant until you can prove abstinence for at least six months. The medical community play to win and you are a resource, for the most part.

If you live in the United States, contrary to what you've been taught, you do not live in a free or moral country and the laws are not designed to protect you.

[c-Z]

I would be VERY reluctant to tell any doctor anything that could be used against me.

If I were to tell a doctor ANYTHING that i didn't want to have published in the newspaper for everyone to read, I'd go in the office under a false name and SS#.

They won't know, especially if you pay cash.

Insurance companies deny people coverage and/or charge higher rates, when they discover what you disclosed to a doctor in what you think is a confidential setting.

If you admit to smoking pot, you will be DENIED an organ transplant until you can prove abstinence for at least six months. The medical community play to win and you are a resource, for the most part.

If you live in the United States, contrary to what you've been taught, you do not live in a free or moral country and the laws are not designed to protect you.

Ever hear of doctor patient confidentiality? Need I bring up what it is?

Organ transplants is completely different. If I recall it is like years of not touching alcohol if you need a transplant. And i don't blame them for that. If I die and I am an organ donor. I don't want my organs going to some druggy, or alcoholic who took life for granted when the next guy needing it could be trying to survive to raise his 2 year old kid with his wife.

Where do you get that a doctor is going to publish sh*t in the newspaper. That is the stupidest f*cking thing I have ever heard. And myself and others included now have to suffer from reading such an idiotic comment. Personally I think my IQ dropped. They can't disclose personal info like that. If your doctor did that. please... let me know his name. I would love to get a lawsuit going.

[NVR2BIG1]

the more often you cycle, the closer you are to HRT, end of story. Time on=time off is fine, but cycle after cycle if you think your levels are coming back to what they were before you touched steroids you've been told wrong, real wrong.

[c-Z]

Here:
http://pb.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/28/2/53

half way down

"Disclosure of confidential clinical information

Generally disclosure of confidential clinical material to someone other than the patient will be an actionable breach of confidence. There are, however, three circumstances when clinicians can release confidential clinical information:

1. when the patient has given their consent;
2. when the law requires disclosure (either under statute or a court order);
3. when there is a public interest in disclosure. "

[c-Z]

the more often you cycle, the closer you are to HRT, end of story. Time on=time off is fine, but cycle after cycle if you think your levels are coming back to what they were before you touched steroids you've been told wrong, real wrong.

Do you have medical studies of this? I have had my levels checked before and after. And they were much similar months later.... SO much wrong. Everyone is different.

[c-Z]

Heres a Form They Sign for Obviously UCLA Healthcare

CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT
UCLA HEALTHCARE

Applies to all UCLA Healthcare “workforce members” including: employees, medical staff and other health care professionals; volunteers; agency, temporary and registry personnel; and trainees, housestaff, students, and interns (regardless of whether they are UCLA trainees or rotating through UCLA Healthcare facilities from another institution).

It is the responsibility of all UCLA Healthcare workforce members, as defined above, including employees, medical staff, house staff, students and volunteers, to preserve and protect confidential patient, employee and business information.

The federal Health Insurance Portability Accountability Act (the “Privacy Rule”), the Confidentiality of Medical Information Act (California Civil Code § 56 et seq.) and the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act (California Welfare & Institutions Code § 5000 et seq.) govern the release of patient identifiable information by hospitals and other health care providers. The State Information Practices Act (California Civil Code sections 1798 et seq.) governs the acquisition and use of data that pertains to individuals. All of these laws establish protections to preserve the confidentiality of various medical and personal information and specify that such information may not be disclosed except as authorized by law or the patient or individual.

Confidential Patient Care Information includes: Any individually identifiable information in possession or derived from a provider of health care regarding a patient's medical history, mental, or physical condition or treatment, as well as the patients and/or their family members records, test results, conversations, research records and financial information. (Note: this information is defined in the Privacy Rule as “protected health information.”) Examples include, but are not limited to:

• Physical medical and psychiatric records including paper, photo, video, diagnostic and therapeutic reports, laboratory and pathology samples;
• Patient insurance and billing records;
• Mainframe and department based computerized patient data and alphanumeric radio pager messages;
• Visual observation of patients receiving medical care or accessing services; and
• Verbal information provided by or about a patient.

Confidential Employee and Business Information includes, but is not limited to, the following:
• Employee home telephone number and address;
• Spouse or other relative names;
• Social Security number or income tax withholding records;
• Information related to evaluation of performance;
• Other such information obtained from the University’s records which if disclosed, would constitute an unwarranted invasion of privacy; or
• Disclosure of Confidential business information that would cause harm to UCLA Healthcare.

Peer review and risk management activities and information are protected under California Evidence Code section 1157 and the attorney-client privilege.

I understand and acknowledge that:

1. I shall respect and maintain the confidentiality of all discussions, deliberations, patient care records and any other information generated in connection with individual patient care, risk management and/or peer review activities.

2. It is my legal and ethical responsibility to protect the privacy, confidentiality and security of all medical records, proprietary information and other confidential information relating to UCLA Healthcare and its affiliates, including business, employment and medical information relating to our patients, members, employees and health care providers.

3. I shall only access or disseminate patient care information in the performance of my assigned duties and where required by or permitted by law, and in a manner which is consistent with officially adopted policies of UCLA Healthcare, or where no officially adopted policy exists, only with the express approval of my supervisor or designee. I shall make no voluntary disclosure of any discussion, deliberations, patient care records or any other patient care, peer review or risk management information, except to persons authorized to receive it in the conduct of UCLA Healthcare affairs.

4. UCLA Healthcare Administration performs audits and reviews patient records in order to identify inappropriate access.

5. My user ID is recorded when I access electronic records and that I am the only one authorized to use my user ID. Use of my user ID is my responsibility whether by me or anyone else. I will only access the minimum necessary information to satisfy my job role or the need of the request.

6. I agree to discuss confidential information only in the work place and only for job related purposes and to not discuss such information outside of the work place or within hearing of other people who do not have a need to know about the information.

7. I understand that any and all references to HIV testing, such as any clinical test or laboratory test used to identify HIV, a component of HIV, or antibodies or antigens to HIV, are specifically protected under law and unauthorized release of confidential information may make me subject to legal and/or disciplinary action.

8. I understand that the law specially protects psychiatric and drug abuse records, and that unauthorized release of such information may make me subject to legal and/or disciplinary action.

9. My obligation to safeguard patient confidentiality continues after my termination of employment with the University of California.

I hereby acknowledge that I have read and understand the foregoing information and that my signature below signifies my agreement to comply with the above terms. In the event of a breach or threatened breach of the Confidentiality Agreement, I acknowledge that the University of California may, as applicable and as it deems appropriate, pursue disciplinary action up to and including my termination from the University of California.

Dated: ___________ Signature: _______________________________________

Print Name: _____________________________________

Department: _____________________________________

[c-Z]

Another One From Alhambra Hospital Medical Center. Bother rather similiar...

Confidentiality Agreement
As a referring doctor, you may have access to medical images and reports from Alhambra Hospital medical Center and you will have
access to what this Agreement refers to as “Confidential Information.” The purpose of this Agreement is to help you understand and
acknowledge your duty regarding the treatment of Confidential Information. For purposes of this Agreement, Confidential Information
includes, but is not necessarily limited to, patient information, medical images, reports and such other information which, in the
context, the provision of medical services should be maintained as confidential. You may learn of or have access to some or all of
this Confidential Information through a computer system or through your employment activities.
Confidential Information is valuable and sensitive and is protected from unauthorized disclosure both by law and by Alhambra
Hospital Medical Center policies. The intent of these laws and policies is to assure that Confidential Information will remain
confidential - that is, that it will be used only as necessary to provide authorized patient care. As a referring doctor, you hereby agree
to conduct yourself in strict conformance to applicable laws and Alhambra Hospital Medical Center’s policies governing Confidential
Information. Your principal obligations in this area are explained below. You hereby agree to read and to abide by these duties. The
violation of any of these duties may result in disciplinary action by Alhambra Hospital Medical Center, which might include
termination or limitation of your access to Confidential Information. In addition, should such disclosure violate State or Federal law,
such disclosure may also result in legal liability.
Accordingly, as a condition of and in consideration of your access to Confidential Information, you understand and agree that:
1. You will use Confidential Information only as needed to perform your legitimate duties as a referring doctor for purposes of
treatment of the referred patient and for no other purposes. This means, among other things that:
a. You will only access Confidential Information of the patient for which you have a need to know for care of the patient.
b. You will not in any way divulge, copy, release, sell, loan, review, alter or destroy any Confidential Information except as properly
authorized by Alhambra Hospital Medical Center.
c. You will not misuse Confidential Information or act in a careless fashion such that Confidential Information may be inadvertently
disclosed.
2. You will safeguard and will not disclose your access code or any other authorization you have that allows you to access
Confidential Information. You may authorize your employees to access information on your behalf, but you then agree to implement
Agreements and procedures that require your employees to adhere to the provisions stipulated in this Agreement. Furthermore, as
an employer or individual, you agree to indemnify and hold Alhambra Hospital Medical Center harmless from any claim, including
expenses incurred by Alhambra Hospital Medical Center, relating to such claims arising out of your and/or your employee’s violation
of this Agreement.
3. You accept responsibility for all activities undertaken using your access code and other authorization.
4. You will report activities by any individual or entity that you suspect may inappropriately disclose or otherwise jeopardize the
confidentiality of Confidential Information.
5. You understand and agree that your obligations under this Agreement will continue after termination of your access to Alhambra
Hospital Medical Center’s Confidential Information. You further understand and agree that your privileges hereunder are subject to
periodic review, revision and if appropriate renewal, limitation or termination.
6. You understand and agree that you have no right or ownership interest in any Confidential Information referred to in this
Agreement. Consequently, Alhambra Hospital Medical Center may at any time revoke your access code, other authorization, or
access to Confidential Information. At all times, you will safeguard and retain the confidentiality of all Confidential Information.
7. You will be responsible for your misuse or wrongful disclosure of Confidential Information under both this Agreement and based
on governing Federal and State laws and for your failure to safeguard your access code or other authorization access to Confidential
Information. You understand that your failure to comply with this Agreement may also result in other legal liability to the patient
and/or Alhambra Hospital Medical Center.
Physician Printed Name: ____________________________________ E-mail address: ________________________________
Physician Signature: ________________________________________ Date: ________________________________________

[c-Z]

I can pull up more if you would like? Better yet give me your doctors name and his place of practice. Ill try to find their confidentiality agreement.I feel my info is safe with my doctor. If not. Lawyers on speed dial. Thanks. Have a good night.

If you admit to smoking pot, you will be DENIED an organ transplant until you can prove abstinence for at least six months. The medical community play to win and you are a resource, for the most part.

Oh and btw. You don't have to admit to anything. A simple blood test will show whats in your system. Currently at work our health rates are going up if we are smokers. And on individual asked "what if we lie". And she said... Blood test they can have a doctor take. Amazing what your blood can tell...

[JockReborn]

you should be fine talking to your doc...BUT...if you read your insurance agreement almost all of them have it stated that they have access to your medical history/treatment used under their policy. They could use it to deny coverage down the road for a major procedure.

[c-Z]

you should be fine talking to your doc...BUT...if you read your insurance agreement almost all of them have it stated that they have access to your medical history/treatment used under their policy. They could use it to deny coverage down the road for a major procedure.

Ofc they will have access.. They won't insure you if they didn't. but if you talk to your doc "off the record so to say". He isn't going to document "joe smith wants bloodwork done for his steroid use". At least... my doctor doesnt do that.

[NVR2BIG1]

you should be fine talking to your doc...BUT...if you read your insurance agreement almost all of them have it stated that they have access to your medical history/treatment used under their policy. They could use it to deny coverage down the road for a major procedure.

its not "could" it's "will and when"

[c-Z]

its not "could" it's "will and when"

Heres the truth of it all.... We are in a game that is illegal. You know it is illegal. And therefore in doing this you take the chance. No insurance company will insure you if they couldn't see a record on you.

If you need a organ. Put the goddamn pot down.

I have been to my doctor for steroid related issues. And not once has my insurance company denied me, or done shit. I almost had to under go a operation. Due to a quad swelling up. So yeah.

This post has gone way off topic. And personally I am tired of it.

OP best thing for you to do is get bloodwork done to know if your good to go or not. HOWEVER if you sit there and bullshit your doctor as too why you want to get them done. And your body hasn't recovered. It will most definitely throw a flag in his mind. Why Lie? You think he is a fool? They aren't.

Im done here. peace.

[glennyo1981]

I would be VERY reluctant to tell any doctor anything that could be used against me.

If I were to tell a doctor ANYTHING that i didn't want to have published in the newspaper for everyone to read, I'd go in the office under a false name and SS#.

They won't know, especially if you pay cash.

Insurance companies deny people coverage and/or charge higher rates, when they discover what you disclosed to a doctor in what you think is a confidential setting.

If you admit to smoking pot, you will be DENIED an organ transplant until you can prove abstinence for at least six months. The medical community play to win and you are a resource, for the most part.

If you live in the United States, contrary to what you've been taught, you do not live in a free or moral country and the laws are not designed to protect you.

haha, are you serious

[JockReborn]

I agree with c-Z, just wanted to throw the insurance thing out there as info to think about. We have something here called AnyLabTestNow.com. I prefer to use it as opposed to the Doc. Testosterone test is 79.00. This is off topic now but I hope that helps.

-J

[lovestospooge23]

In the past Ive always followed the general rule of thumb of being off cycle as long as your on...ie, 12 weeks on, 12 weeks off.

I will be finishing up a 12 wk cycle at the end of feb of 600mg a wk of Test Cy
p, and 400mg of Deca for the first 10wks. I also had a kick start for the first 4 wks of Dbol.

I want to start a new cycle on the 1st of May of Cyp and Tren. Is 2 months way too short of a time off for this? Keeping in mind 1 of those months I will be doing PCT, so really 1 month completey clean.

Am I pushing m luck?

i believe equal time on and equal time off is the correct way to go

[Trenquility]

i believe equal time on and equal time off is the correct way to go

The correct time is time on + PCT = time off.

[darkcrayz]

Ever hear of doctor patient confidentiality? Need I bring up what it is?

actually...what you say to a doc can bite you in the ass. when you apply for life insurance they request all doctor records you have. if you told your dr and he made a note in your file and they send it to the insurance company it will be noted and used against you. granted the information was given to the insurance company with your consent but once you tell a dr its out there.

[Quo]

I would be VERY reluctant to tell any doctor anything that could be used against me.

If I were to tell a doctor ANYTHING that i didn't want to have published in the newspaper for everyone to read, I'd go in the office under a false name and SS#.

They won't know, especially if you pay cash.

Insurance companies deny people coverage and/or charge higher rates, when they discover what you disclosed to a doctor in what you think is a confidential setting.

If you admit to smoking pot, you will be DENIED an organ transplant until you can prove abstinence for at least six months. The medical community play to win and you are a resource, for the most part.

If you live in the United States, contrary to what you've been taught, you do not live in a free or moral country and the laws are not designed to protect you.

This comes up every damn time someone suggests talking to a doctor about steroid use. I don't feel like repeating myself for the 10th time on this issue, so I will just say you are wrong. No one is looking at your file, no one cares, and it does not get back to the insurance companies. In a nutshell. So just chill.

And you can take your anti-Americanism somewhere else. We are all tired of hearing it.

[Quo]

actually...what you say to a doc can bite you in the ass. when you apply for life insurance they request all doctor records you have. if you told your dr and he made a note in your file and they send it to the insurance company it will be noted and used against you. granted the information was given to the insurance company with your consent but once you tell a dr its out there.

Yes, you are the first person who has a roughly accurate idea of how this works. You can avoid this problem by simply asking your doc to keep it off the record. If he doesn't agree, don't tell him. You can also fail to disclose your relationship with that doc to the life insurance company and they probably won't find out.

[JimInAK]

Ever hear of doctor patient confidentiality? Need I bring up what it is?

Organ transplants is completely different. If I recall it is like years of not touching alcohol if you need a transplant. And i don't blame them for that. If I die and I am an organ donor. I don't want my organs going to some druggy, or alcoholic who took life for granted when the next guy needing it could be trying to survive to raise his 2 year old kid with his wife.

Where do you get that a doctor is going to publish sh*t in the newspaper. That is the stupidest f*cking thing I have ever heard. And myself and others included now have to suffer from reading such an idiotic comment. Personally I think my IQ dropped. They can't disclose personal info like that. If your doctor did that. please... let me know his name. I would love to get a lawsuit going.

CZ... If you want to see the MASTER of IGNORANT STATEMENTS, I'd suggest that you look in the mirror.

For the entertainment of all, I will expose a few of them...

1.) I never said anything about alcohol or being a druggie, here's what I said: "If you admit to smoking pot, you will be DENIED an organ transplant until you can prove abstinence for at least six months."

Now here links to newspaper stories that give FACTS to back up my assertions:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._liver03m.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-b..._b_435348.html

2,) Your question: "Where do you get that a doctor is going to publish sh*t in the newspaper." can't be answered, because it is a false statement. I said I wouldn't tell a doctor anything I didn't want to read about in the newspaper.

3.) As far as your assertion that a Doctor can't reveal confidential information, your prospective insurance company will normally require that you sign a CONSENT FORM, allowing their use of your confidential information. If you don't sign the form, you DON'T GET INSURANCE... end of story.

4.) Your statement: "Personally I think my IQ dropped." is likely incorrect. Your post is proof that you couldn't possibly drop any lower than what you just revealed.

As far as Q's statement: "And you can take your anti-Americanism somewhere else. We are all tired of hearing it." now that is totally ignorant. If I didn't care, I would say NOTHING. You can take your "America - Love it or Leave it" fantasy elsewhere. Blind compliance with unjust law is a single step away from FASCISM. Are you a freakin' Nazi???

Put that in your pipe and smoke it....

[AlphaGenetics]

Why does everybody edit thier posts? lmao