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    Important Dieting Tips (by IRON ADDICT)

    Without going into specifics on actual dieting techniques, I will give some good general guidelines that are often overlooked, or simply not known. Here goes.

    1. If you have a lot of weight to lose do NOT try and do it all at once. The maximal time I have trainees do fat loss diets are 12-16 weeks. And 16 weeks is the MAX. If you are not at your goal within 16 weeks, take 4-5 weeks and reefed. This does not mean eat all you want for the 4-5 weeks, it means add calories and perhaps carbs if doing a low/no carb diet and get your diet a bit over maintenance. This will allow your metabolism to rebound give you both a mental and physical break from dieting.

    2. Crash dieting (extreme caloric restriction) rarely works. All it does is shut your metabolism down a very short time after you start the diet, and/or catabolizes a lot of muscle. Aim for a 400-600 calorie a day restriction, and along with reasonable cardio you will create a decent deficit. If you are already doing as much cardio as you can or care to, you may need a bigger caloric decrease. This all varies a LOT between people of different bodyweights and bodyfat compositions as well as the individuals metabolism. So while the suggested number will work for many people, it will not work for all.

    3. If you are not weighing and logging your food at least some of the time, you are simply guessing about your diet approach. Guessing is fine I guess, if you want haphazard results. The average person is simply not good enough to “eyeball” their food and get it close enough. If you absolutely will not do this you had best ensure you eat the same basic things daily so if you are not getting the results you want, you can make changes at least off of a known quantity.

    4. Be creative with your food and think outside the box when it comes to seasoning and food choices. So many people get stuck eating the same things that taste the same way day in and day out that it is no wonder they quit their diets. There will have to be sacrifices made, that is for sure. But you don’t have to make it so Spartan that the entire time dieting is an exercise in depravation.

    5. Take your morning body temperate FIRST thing in the morning for 4 days in a row BEFORE starting a fat loss diet. This means BEFORE EATING and BEFORE ANY activity. Morning temp should be 97.5-98.1. If it is a bit lower that is fine. If it is consistently 96.5 or below, you should either postpone the diet until you get it back up by eating a bit more and if at all possible having your thyroid checked. Trying to start a diet with a severely slowed metabolism will make the diet a very difficult task. At 96.1, your metabolism is already slowed 15-25% for most people and to get at a number well below maintenance with your metabolism that dampened already will require a very low caloric and nutritional profile for YOUR body. Please take into mind that SOME people have a naturally lower basal body temperature, so what will appear as low for a normal person will be the norm for a person with the low body temperature type metabolism. These people are not the rule but the exception. Trying to diet with an already crippled metabolism rarely works and the calories and nutrients end up having to be so low that muscle is usually sacrificed. Continue to monitor temperature while dieting. If your body temperature plummets, you can bet your metabolic rate has also plummeted. Careful measurement can tell an experienced person when to either drop calories, or discontinue the diet for a short time to get metabolism back up and running correctly.

    6. If you are not getting stronger while dieting—at least by small increases you likely have something out of balance with the workload, cardio, or caloric deficit/macro- profile. There is simply no reason to not be able to get at least a bit stronger unless you are at 8% or below, or are extremely advanced. Low and intermediate level lifters should be able to still make strength progress until about 8% or so bodyfat.

    7. If you are dieting and do not do resistance training, you are much more likely to catabolize muscle tissue when losing weight. ANY type of resistance training including bodyweight exercises is better than none.

    8. Unless you are doing circuit type training for overall conditioning and strength, using weight training to burn extra calories is misguided. People often go on cutting diets and increase their volume and frequency to “use more calories”. This is a very poor way of burning calories and the opposite of what should be done. Most people can use the same training volume they use when massing, others need to reduce it a good amount. Doing high volume/high frequency routines when dieting is a chief cause of muscle loss.

    9. Train for strength when dieting. You are not likely to gain much muscle if you are on a cutting type diet opposed to a recomp. So doing hypertrophy specific type workload is not your best bet. A 10 x 10 may work well for size gains and some strength gains when massing, but is not likely optimal on a cut. Lower, to mid volume work with an emphasis on strength will allow neural gains to continue to occur thus allowing you to get stronger while dropping bodyfat.

    10. Step diet when going to very low levels of bodyfat, or if you are a person who’s metabolism slows fast. Many people can start a diet at a reasonable caloric deficit and keep going a full 12-16 weeks and still drop fat the entire time at the same caloric level. Other people need to slowly adjust calories downwards every 4-6 weeks or so to keep bodyfat coming off.

    11. If it “appears” that fat loss has stalled do NOT panic and drop calories drastically or increase cardio drastically. Most people’s bodies lose fat cyclically and also, at different stages of fat loss the ‘appearance” of bodyfat reduction “looks” more dramatic than at other stages. Wait at LEAST two weeks of no scale or mirror improvement to drop calories or increase cardio. This rule may not apply to people doing contest prep.

    12. Fat loss does NOT come off most people in the areas they are usually most concerned about in the initial stages of a diet. For guys it typically comes off the extremities first and the waistline last. For most girls, upper body fat is lost first and lower body fat (thighs/butt) is the last place the body pulls from. Putting a tape measure around your waist for guys, and legs/butt for girls every week to measure fat loss will usually lead to a very frustrated dieter. As a trainer I have people tell me frequently they don’t think they are losing much weight during the initial stages of the diet, but after getting pictures or seeing them in person I point to their arms, legs (for guys) and face upper chest area and all of a sudden they notice all the separation and less fat in these areas that they failed to see before. People tend to just focus on the areas that they want to reduce while not understanding that the body sees the major fat storage areas as “survival” fuel and gives up that part of the bodies stored fat last.

    13. Avoid stimulant fat burner supplements. These almost always produce an increase in stress hormone chemicals, primarily cortisol. High cortisol levels make it difficult for the body to burn fat, and tell the body to catabolize muscle tissue. There are plenty of non-stimulant based fat burning supplements that increase the rate of fat burning without promoting a stress response. Things like forskolin, TTA, and some of the mild thyroid boosting supplements along with ALCAR and other products that increase mitochondria output. Green tea has been proven to boost fat burning up to 4% by itself and has a wide variety of health benefits. Caffeine in reasonable quantities is acceptable even though it is technically a stimulant—just don’t go overboard with it.

    14. Make sure you are getting a high dose of EFA’s (essential fatty acids) DAILY! This will help the fat come off faster, reduce overall protein needs a bit (difficult mechanism to understand so you will have to trust me on this) and ensure you remain healthy while dieting. 6 grams a day of fish oil should be a minimum.

    15. If you are doing a diet that has a reasonable amount of carbs in it you can do HIIT cardio. If you are on an extremely low carb, or no carb diet you are better served by doing low intensity cardio. High intensity cardio requires glycogen for fuel. If you are already depleted on carbs the body will catabolize muscle to fuel your high intensity cardio sessions. You can bypass this to a certain degree by doing a PWO feeding after your HIIT sessions, but this is not really an option for the way many diets are laid out. BOTH methods work for fat loss—don’t let anyone tell you different. But they work by entirely different mechanisms and diet composition needs to be taken into account when planning cardio.

    16. High impact cardio such as running is much more likely to result in muscle catabolism as the same degree of intensity done with low impact. Running while dieting is a poor combo for most people.

    17. Once at a low caloric/nutrient level in the final stages of a diet it is often a better idea to increase low intensity cardio than to reduce calories.

    18. When adding mass at least 1.5 grams per lb of bodyweight is needed for optimal mass gains. When dieting you can go as low as 1 gram per lb of bodyweight for guys, and .75 for girls. Going below this number is a primary reason why people lose muscle when dieting. If you are losing a lot of muscle when dieting, you are simply doing something or many things wrong.

    19. Calories are NOT calories. You can gain fat while being on an under maintenance caloric level by simply having your macro nutrient profiles screwed up. I read a very well conducted study recently where they took over 1500 people and put them on a diet that was 1000 calories below maintenance levels and the primary macro-nutrient was fructose. The vast majority of the people actually GAINED bodyfat while eating 1000 calories less than maintenance levels. The scale weight went down, and when they tested body composition they determined the people had lost a lot of muscle while actually storing more bodyfat. Without going into diet details as this is not what this article is for, the simple take home message is carbs are not your friend on a fat loss diet. That is not conjecture, just basic physiology.

    20. EFA’s and BCAA’s can be extremely helpful in muscle mass retention on a fat loss diet. That is an article unto itself. Do some research!

    Hope this helps some people with their fat loss goals!

    Iron Addict

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    Quote Originally Posted by javerton View Post
    Without going into specifics on actual dieting techniques, I will give some good general guidelines that are often overlooked, or simply not known. Here goes.

    1. If you have a lot of weight to lose do NOT try and do it all at once. The maximal time I have trainees do fat loss diets are 12-16 weeks. And 16 weeks is the MAX. If you are not at your goal within 16 weeks, take 4-5 weeks and reefed. This does not mean eat all you want for the 4-5 weeks, it means add calories and perhaps carbs if doing a low/no carb diet and get your diet a bit over maintenance. This will allow your metabolism to rebound give you both a mental and physical break from dieting.

    2. Crash dieting (extreme caloric restriction) rarely works. All it does is shut your metabolism down a very short time after you start the diet, and/or catabolizes a lot of muscle. Aim for a 400-600 calorie a day restriction, and along with reasonable cardio you will create a decent deficit. If you are already doing as much cardio as you can or care to, you may need a bigger caloric decrease. This all varies a LOT between people of different bodyweights and bodyfat compositions as well as the individuals metabolism. So while the suggested number will work for many people, it will not work for all.

    3. If you are not weighing and logging your food at least some of the time, you are simply guessing about your diet approach. Guessing is fine I guess, if you want haphazard results. The average person is simply not good enough to “eyeball” their food and get it close enough. If you absolutely will not do this you had best ensure you eat the same basic things daily so if you are not getting the results you want, you can make changes at least off of a known quantity.

    4. Be creative with your food and think outside the box when it comes to seasoning and food choices. So many people get stuck eating the same things that taste the same way day in and day out that it is no wonder they quit their diets. There will have to be sacrifices made, that is for sure. But you don’t have to make it so Spartan that the entire time dieting is an exercise in depravation.

    5. Take your morning body temperate FIRST thing in the morning for 4 days in a row BEFORE starting a fat loss diet. This means BEFORE EATING and BEFORE ANY activity. Morning temp should be 97.5-98.1. If it is a bit lower that is fine. If it is consistently 96.5 or below, you should either postpone the diet until you get it back up by eating a bit more and if at all possible having your thyroid checked. Trying to start a diet with a severely slowed metabolism will make the diet a very difficult task. At 96.1, your metabolism is already slowed 15-25% for most people and to get at a number well below maintenance with your metabolism that dampened already will require a very low caloric and nutritional profile for YOUR body. Please take into mind that SOME people have a naturally lower basal body temperature, so what will appear as low for a normal person will be the norm for a person with the low body temperature type metabolism. These people are not the rule but the exception. Trying to diet with an already crippled metabolism rarely works and the calories and nutrients end up having to be so low that muscle is usually sacrificed. Continue to monitor temperature while dieting. If your body temperature plummets, you can bet your metabolic rate has also plummeted. Careful measurement can tell an experienced person when to either drop calories, or discontinue the diet for a short time to get metabolism back up and running correctly.

    6. If you are not getting stronger while dieting—at least by small increases you likely have something out of balance with the workload, cardio, or caloric deficit/macro- profile. There is simply no reason to not be able to get at least a bit stronger unless you are at 8% or below, or are extremely advanced. Low and intermediate level lifters should be able to still make strength progress until about 8% or so bodyfat.

    7. If you are dieting and do not do resistance training, you are much more likely to catabolize muscle tissue when losing weight. ANY type of resistance training including bodyweight exercises is better than none.

    8. Unless you are doing circuit type training for overall conditioning and strength, using weight training to burn extra calories is misguided. People often go on cutting diets and increase their volume and frequency to “use more calories”. This is a very poor way of burning calories and the opposite of what should be done. Most people can use the same training volume they use when massing, others need to reduce it a good amount. Doing high volume/high frequency routines when dieting is a chief cause of muscle loss.

    9. Train for strength when dieting. You are not likely to gain much muscle if you are on a cutting type diet opposed to a recomp. So doing hypertrophy specific type workload is not your best bet. A 10 x 10 may work well for size gains and some strength gains when massing, but is not likely optimal on a cut. Lower, to mid volume work with an emphasis on strength will allow neural gains to continue to occur thus allowing you to get stronger while dropping bodyfat.

    10. Step diet when going to very low levels of bodyfat, or if you are a person who’s metabolism slows fast. Many people can start a diet at a reasonable caloric deficit and keep going a full 12-16 weeks and still drop fat the entire time at the same caloric level. Other people need to slowly adjust calories downwards every 4-6 weeks or so to keep bodyfat coming off.

    11. If it “appears” that fat loss has stalled do NOT panic and drop calories drastically or increase cardio drastically. Most people’s bodies lose fat cyclically and also, at different stages of fat loss the ‘appearance” of bodyfat reduction “looks” more dramatic than at other stages. Wait at LEAST two weeks of no scale or mirror improvement to drop calories or increase cardio. This rule may not apply to people doing contest prep.

    12. Fat loss does NOT come off most people in the areas they are usually most concerned about in the initial stages of a diet. For guys it typically comes off the extremities first and the waistline last. For most girls, upper body fat is lost first and lower body fat (thighs/butt) is the last place the body pulls from. Putting a tape measure around your waist for guys, and legs/butt for girls every week to measure fat loss will usually lead to a very frustrated dieter. As a trainer I have people tell me frequently they don’t think they are losing much weight during the initial stages of the diet, but after getting pictures or seeing them in person I point to their arms, legs (for guys) and face upper chest area and all of a sudden they notice all the separation and less fat in these areas that they failed to see before. People tend to just focus on the areas that they want to reduce while not understanding that the body sees the major fat storage areas as “survival” fuel and gives up that part of the bodies stored fat last.

    13. Avoid stimulant fat burner supplements. These almost always produce an increase in stress hormone chemicals, primarily cortisol. High cortisol levels make it difficult for the body to burn fat, and tell the body to catabolize muscle tissue. There are plenty of non-stimulant based fat burning supplements that increase the rate of fat burning without promoting a stress response. Things like forskolin, TTA, and some of the mild thyroid boosting supplements along with ALCAR and other products that increase mitochondria output. Green tea has been proven to boost fat burning up to 4% by itself and has a wide variety of health benefits. Caffeine in reasonable quantities is acceptable even though it is technically a stimulant—just don’t go overboard with it.

    14. Make sure you are getting a high dose of EFA’s (essential fatty acids) DAILY! This will help the fat come off faster, reduce overall protein needs a bit (difficult mechanism to understand so you will have to trust me on this) and ensure you remain healthy while dieting. 6 grams a day of fish oil should be a minimum.

    15. If you are doing a diet that has a reasonable amount of carbs in it you can do HIIT cardio. If you are on an extremely low carb, or no carb diet you are better served by doing low intensity cardio. High intensity cardio requires glycogen for fuel. If you are already depleted on carbs the body will catabolize muscle to fuel your high intensity cardio sessions. You can bypass this to a certain degree by doing a PWO feeding after your HIIT sessions, but this is not really an option for the way many diets are laid out. BOTH methods work for fat loss—don’t let anyone tell you different. But they work by entirely different mechanisms and diet composition needs to be taken into account when planning cardio.

    16. High impact cardio such as running is much more likely to result in muscle catabolism as the same degree of intensity done with low impact. Running while dieting is a poor combo for most people.

    17. Once at a low caloric/nutrient level in the final stages of a diet it is often a better idea to increase low intensity cardio than to reduce calories.

    18. When adding mass at least 1.5 grams per lb of bodyweight is needed for optimal mass gains. When dieting you can go as low as 1 gram per lb of bodyweight for guys, and .75 for girls. Going below this number is a primary reason why people lose muscle when dieting. If you are losing a lot of muscle when dieting, you are simply doing something or many things wrong.

    19. Calories are NOT calories. You can gain fat while being on an under maintenance caloric level by simply having your macro nutrient profiles screwed up. I read a very well conducted study recently where they took over 1500 people and put them on a diet that was 1000 calories below maintenance levels and the primary macro-nutrient was fructose. The vast majority of the people actually GAINED bodyfat while eating 1000 calories less than maintenance levels. The scale weight went down, and when they tested body composition they determined the people had lost a lot of muscle while actually storing more bodyfat. Without going into diet details as this is not what this article is for, the simple take home message is carbs are not your friend on a fat loss diet. That is not conjecture, just basic physiology.

    20. EFA’s and BCAA’s can be extremely helpful in muscle mass retention on a fat loss diet. That is an article unto itself. Do some research!

    Hope this helps some people with their fat loss goals!

    Iron Addict
    agree with most of that article except statement in bold---simply not true

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    Quote Originally Posted by mg1228 View Post
    agree with most of that article except statement in bold---simply not true
    MG Bro carbs are the enemy when u have major fat to cut...

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    not true---and he said in any fat loss diet

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    i guess if it was true i could of cut 10-11% bf in 45 days or less instead of 90 days with over 200 gr carbs a day

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    Quote Originally Posted by mg1228 View Post
    not true---and he said in any fat loss diet
    He didn't say they are your enemy per se. If you want, register on the forum and ask him, he will answer and justify his post.

    I know for me, I NEED carbs or I will crash and lose a ridiculous amount of muscle, people shouldn't read this and assume because they feel sluggish when they start to cut off carbs they're in the same boat. I'm only a small percent of the population in that regard.

    Ask for more clarification if it interests you. I sort of know where he's coming from, it's not a blanket statement, but he is correct in that point - I'm sure.

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    sounded like a blanket statement to me---if they aint your friend then theyre ur enemy

    again--imo that statement is simply not true

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    Quote Originally Posted by mg1228 View Post
    sounded like a blanket statement to me---if they aint your friend then theyre ur enemy

    again--imo that statement is simply not true
    Ask for clarification mate, simple.

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    dude---i dont need clarification ----- he should of added clarification---the statement aint true

    his statement suggests if u wanna cut fat u need a low or no carb diet--and that aint true-----some people do some dont

    if a bunch of newbies read that statement---they would automaticallly cut out carbs, and that is not always neccesary

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    Fructose has a VERY high propensity to be stored as bodyfat. I read that as fructose is your enemy not carbs in general. All carbs are not created equal.

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    Yea, its not about cutting carbs outa your life, just what kind and when u conume them. I would crash without carbs then go buy sum stimulants to make up the energy loss. lol! I did no carbs besides what's in cottage cheese after 2 weeks I thought I was gona die, like 8 years ago... I eat a lot, guess that's why my girl likes to use me as a heater. I quit eating high fructose, even try to stay away in mrp bars.. Heard it make insulin spike then crash hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mg1228 View Post
    not true---and he said in any fat loss diet
    K MG I will justify myself bro :
    Plz take a look at my pics on my thread
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=419278
    I am like this because I led a "typical north-american lifestyle"
    I ate everyday things like bread, butter, milk, fries, mcdonalds, burgerking, lebanese, greek, chinese.. 80% of every meal I ate was carbs.. mixed with fat and prot 10/10%... a typical american meal : Mac n cheese.. Fish n chips.. Ribs n' baked potatoes, pasta n meatballs.. Do you get my lead?

    THE typical breakfast in north america: Cereal ! BLT Bagel! 2 fried whole eggs with potatoes and fruits.. pancakes!
    A typical side for anything : fries! or potatoes they are healthier if they are baked right? thats what they say...!!

    Do you get my lead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireGuy1 View Post
    Fructose has a VERY high propensity to be stored as bodyfat. I read that as fructose is your enemy not carbs in general. All carbs are not created equal.
    yeah fructose is not good to go with cutting.. carbs are alwasys present "in general" as you say in leafy greens, brocoli, other veg, chicken.. but you gotta limit your carbs strictly in any fatloss/cutting diet not more than 60g - 50g..
    especially CKD and keto in general which appear to be by far the most effective fatloss approaches.. some people need to go below 30g to get into ketosis..

    Fruits and carbs should be strictly moderated by people on fatloss diets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by javerton View Post
    He didn't say they are your enemy per se. If you want, register on the forum and ask him, he will answer and justify his post.

    I know for me, I NEED carbs or I will crash and lose a ridiculous amount of muscle, people shouldn't read this and assume because they feel sluggish when they start to cut off carbs they're in the same boat. I'm only a small percent of the population in that regard.

    Ask for more clarification if it interests you. I sort of know where he's coming from, it's not a blanket statement, but he is correct in that point - I'm sure.
    I love the post bro will be bumping this

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    Quote Originally Posted by mg1228 View Post
    dude---i dont need clarification ----- he should of added clarification---the statement aint true

    his statement suggests if u wanna cut fat u need a low or no carb diet--and that aint true-----some people do some dont

    if a bunch of newbies read that statement---they would automaticallly cut out carbs, and that is not always neccesary
    It works like a charm tho.. Atkins became pretty popular becuz it worked for a ton of people.. and I definitely think that removing carbs and replacing them by fats for energy is a helluva better idea than having carbs/glycogen to burn with a bunch of fat to cut.. A better tasting diet i must say aswell !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokedv View Post
    K MG I will justify myself bro :
    Plz take a look at my pics on my thread
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=419278
    I am like this because I led a "typical north-american lifestyle"
    I ate everyday things like bread, butter, milk, fries, mcdonalds, burgerking, lebanese, greek, chinese.. 80% of every meal I ate was carbs.. mixed with fat and prot 10/10%... a typical american meal : Mac n cheese.. Fish n chips.. Ribs n' baked potatoes, pasta n meatballs.. Do you get my lead?

    THE typical breakfast in north america: Cereal ! BLT Bagel! 2 fried whole eggs with potatoes and fruits.. pancakes!
    A typical side for anything : fries! or potatoes they are healthier if they are baked right? thats what they say...!!

    Do you get my lead?
    of course u cant eat eat any of what u listed--those are not the only carbs

    look at my pic---i eat 250 gr of carbs a day

    my point is his statement wasnt true because it was too broad---
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    Quote Originally Posted by stokedv View Post
    yeah fructose is not good to go with cutting.. carbs are alwasys present "in general" as you say in leafy greens, brocoli, other veg, chicken.. but you gotta limit your carbs strictly in any fatloss/cutting diet not more than 60g - 50g.. especially CKD and keto in general which appear to be by far the most effective fatloss approaches.. some people need to go below 30g to get into ketosis..

    Fruits and carbs should be strictly moderated by people on fatloss diets...
    100% false statement. I have reached 5-6% body fat on several separate occasions with a carb intake of 300 grams per day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokedv View Post
    K MG I will justify myself bro :
    Plz take a look at my pics on my thread
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=419278
    I am like this because I led a "typical north-american lifestyle"
    I ate everyday things like bread, butter, milk, fries, mcdonalds, burgerking, lebanese, greek, chinese.. 80% of every meal I ate was carbs.. mixed with fat and prot 10/10%... a typical american meal : Mac n cheese.. Fish n chips.. Ribs n' baked potatoes, pasta n meatballs.. Do you get my lead?

    THE typical breakfast in north america: Cereal ! BLT Bagel! 2 fried whole eggs with potatoes and fruits.. pancakes!
    A typical side for anything : fries! or potatoes they are healthier if they are baked right? thats what they say...!!

    Do you get my lead?
    Stoke, carbs didnt make you fat. Eating a bunch or crap, not working out and not doing cardio for an extended period of time made you fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokedv View Post
    It works like a charm tho.. Atkins became pretty popular becuz it worked for a ton of people.. and I definitely think that removing carbs and replacing them by fats for energy is a helluva better idea than having carbs/glycogen to burn with a bunch of fat to cut.. A better tasting diet i must say aswell !!!!
    i would venture to say u aint tried it both ways---and atkins isnt a good example seein how it killed some people

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    Guys, it's obvious that the statement was definitely too broad and therefore somewhat irresponsible, particularly to a n00b who knows nothing. Like anything else, the right carbs in relative moderation are not generally bad for dieting/cutting. Some people are much more carb sensitive and will find a low/no carb diet works much better for them.... that might be me. =) We'll find out in another 6 weeks...

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    Awsome POST!!! Javerton! great info!

    "8. Unless you are doing circuit type training for overall conditioning and strength, using weight training to burn extra calories is misguided. People often go on cutting diets and increase their volume and frequency to “use more calories”. This is a very poor way of burning calories and the opposite of what should be done. Most people can use the same training volume they use when massing, others need to reduce it a good amount. Doing high volume/high frequency routines when dieting is a chief cause of muscle loss.

    9. Train for strength when dieting. You are not likely to gain much muscle if you are on a cutting type diet opposed to a recomp. So doing hypertrophy specific type workload is not your best bet. A 10 x 10 may work well for size gains and some strength gains when massing, but is not likely optimal on a cut. Lower, to mid volume work with an emphasis on strength will allow neural gains to continue to occur thus allowing you to get stronger while dropping bodyfat."


    Can someone explain this better to me. This is how i am interpreting this. If im benching at 225lbs x 6-8 times for my third set i should be doing about 185lbs x 10-12 times, 2 sets max? Lower weight , higher reps?

    Thanks ,
    Chris

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    PS - x2 on this being an overall great post. This is some GREAT information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    Guys, it's obvious that the statement was definitely too broad and therefore somewhat irresponsible, particularly to a n00b who knows nothing. Like anything else, the right carbs in relative moderation are not generally bad for dieting/cutting. Some people are much more carb sensitive and will find a low/no carb diet works much better for them.... that might be me. =) We'll find out in another 6 weeks...
    Ok if you wanna put it this way yes I am a n00b yes I know nothing ... I just wanted to make some people recognize themselves after reading what I wrote.. all of my friends ate like I did and nobody was looking like MG.. And he's absolutely correct saying that my statement is broad and atkins killed people.. Yeah there's steel cut oats, ezekiel bread, sweet potatoes.. all kinds of great carbs ... but the goal of my BROAD statement was that by simply removing all the junk food that brings so much carbs in your system will make a huge difference in their BF% as they will store less... How does that sound??

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    Quote Originally Posted by mg1228 View Post
    i would venture to say u aint tried it both ways---and atkins isnt a good example seein how it killed some people
    Like that other guy said I'm a n00b bro of course I didnt try

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireGuy1 View Post
    100% false statement. I have reached 5-6% body fat on several separate occasions with a carb intake of 300 grams per day.
    Starting from where I do ? (or anybody 25%+)
    I know Jamyjamjr liked simple carbs PWO and he was chugging 210-220g a day and had good results.. but he's a big guy and didnt start last month either..

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    its whatever works--right? just wanted the noobs to know there is more than just one way to go about it.. btw stoked i enjoy ur enthusiasm to learn

    it was a good post

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    Quote Originally Posted by mg1228 View Post
    its whatever works--right? just wanted the noobs to know there is more than just one way to go about it.. btw stoked i enjoy ur enthusiasm to learn

    it was a good post
    I enjoy your advise too MG thats what we're here for .. NO PAIN NO GAIN!!!!!

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    im learning right along with ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokedv View Post
    Ok if you wanna put it this way yes I am a n00b yes I know nothing ... I just wanted to make some people recognize themselves after reading what I wrote.. all of my friends ate like I did and nobody was looking like MG.. And he's absolutely correct saying that my statement is broad and atkins killed people.. Yeah there's steel cut oats, ezekiel bread, sweet potatoes.. all kinds of great carbs ... but the goal of my BROAD statement was that by simply removing all the junk food that brings so much carbs in your system will make a huge difference in their BF% as they will store less... How does that sound??
    PS - for the record, I wasn't at all implying that YOU are a n00b, I just meant n00bs (like myself) in general.

    And yes, I agree with you about cutting out that horrible stuff - it WILL make a huge difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    PS - for the record, I wasn't at all implying that YOU are a n00b, I just meant n00bs (like myself) in general.

    And yes, I agree with you about cutting out that horrible stuff - it WILL make a huge difference!
    I think this is THE major problem in north america.. all the popular dishes that people like or LOVE to eat are deepfried.. overgreased, full of condiments and carbs.. Imagine what a beautiful world would it be if you go up to the drivetrough and say : 8OZ chick breast with leafy.. or 8 Oz ultralean beef patty with half cup broccoli.. AND WATER TO DRINK

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    mcdonalds drive-thru would b empty most of the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokedv View Post
    I think this is THE major problem in north america.. all the popular dishes that people like or LOVE to eat are deepfried.. overgreased, full of condiments and carbs.. Imagine what a beautiful world would it be if you go up to the drivetrough and say : 8OZ chick breast with leafy.. or 8 Oz ultralean beef patty with half cup broccoli.. AND WATER TO DRINK
    ^^^X100

    Processed processed refined and processed some more.... nothing is even real food anymore. That would be AWESOME if McDonald's had that - it would make this diet 90% easier and I might actually have a life outside of the kitchen!

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    In Quebec (Canada) Vending machines in public high schools all over the province are PROHIBITED to sell pop since like 2004.. only 100% juice or water.. Only some private schools still have coke and sprite in their's...

    I think same should be with commercial deep frying machines? or put a label good source of Trans+ and cancer

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    i use medium amount of carbs in diet need the energy for training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokedv View Post
    In Quebec (Canada) Vending machines in public high schools all over the province are PROHIBITED to sell pop since like 2004.. only 100% juice or water.. Only some private schools still have coke and sprite in their's...

    I think same should be with commercial deep frying machines? or put a label good source of Trans+ and cancer
    I don't agree with going to that extreme in a free society, however what I DO think is a shame and needs to be looked into is the fact that healthy foods cost significantly more than regular crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    I don't agree with going to that extreme in a free society, however what I DO think is a shame and needs to be looked into is the fact that healthy foods cost significantly more than regular crap.
    The schools do not prohibit the kids to buy junk in the store across the street on recess and lunchtime or do it at home why do you think its extreme?

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    Quote Originally Posted by baddgsx View Post
    Can someone explain this better to me. This is how i am interpreting this. If im benching at 225lbs x 6-8 times for my third set i should be doing about 185lbs x 10-12 times, 2 sets max? Lower weight , higher reps?

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    Here's some clarification, I wouldn't venture into it without more detail though. Ie how long you should run it for, how advanced you need to be (I recall him mentioning he doesn't use it on anyone who is VERY strong already), if you should go to failure etc.

    "I use this for various reasons. Either to unload the joints from the heavy pounding of low reps, or to get some fast growth. Works for both. I only use ONE lift when doing the 10 x 10 version and it looks something like this most often:

    Monday
    Dumbbell Bench Press 10 x 10
    Chin-up 10 x 10

    Wednesday
    Squats 10 x 10
    Calf 5 x 10

    Friday
    Dips 10 x 10
    Incline Dumbbell Curls 10 x 10"

    You would definitely need more clarification because I THINK I recall him saying he does it no where close to failure on the first few sets, because you do it with very short rest times (~90 seconds I think).

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokedv View Post
    The schools do not prohibit the kids to buy junk in the store across the street on recess and lunchtime or do it at home why do you think its extreme?
    Sorry, I missed that it was just in the school. I do agree with this now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokedv View Post
    MG Bro carbs are the enemy when u have major fat to cut...
    Completely wrong IMO. Yes, carbs will most likely be lower in a cutting diet Vs a bulking diet for most people, but it doesn't mean that they are bad or not required, like everything, they have an important place.

    I see people all the time try to completely avoid carbs, if I did that i'd pass out in the gym.

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