Next cycle: critique please

[Hermogenes]

Stats: 38 yo, 190 10%bf (I know I am not big but I have always trained for speed and explosion and not size)

cycle #1 was

1-12 week = test e 500mg
5-12 week = OT 60mg

I screwed my PCT and lost almost everything.

My next cycle I wanna get extremely cut (6% or less)

Diet and training are fine.

I was thinking about:

1-12 week = test E 500 mg/week
1-12 week = mast E 300 mg/week
1-12 week = OT 60mg/day

or the same schedule and length at test/tren/mast = 250/100/100

The third option is:
1-12 week = test E 250 E3D
1-12 week = tren E 150 E3D
1-12 week = mast E 100 E3D


I have clomid and Nolva already and will determine doses after researching more.

Your thoughts?

[tylerrrman]

If you're going for speed and explosion the juice isn't for you. You'll end up bulkier and slower than you woulda been naturally dieting and training.

With the cycles you're looking at running, get some caber and letro to go along with those pct drugs if you do go with what you have planned out here.

[Hermogenes]

If you're going for speed and explosion the juice isn't for you. You'll end up bulkier and slower than you woulda been naturally dieting and training.

With the cycles you're looking at running, get some caber and letro to go along with those pct drugs if you do go with what you have planned out here.

Which one of the options?

[Ernst]

First of all let me say I have never used juice when training for speed and explosiveness. That was a long time ago. The combination of the two is not something I really know about. You also are a little vague as to the size component here. Are you sprinting or boxing? I mean both make me think speed and explosiveness... I don't know how much or how little mass you want, but to a large extent your diet and training will decide that.

You don't seem to be getting much feedback here, so I'll offer my input for what it's worth. This is from my very separate experiences of training to run hard and training for size with AAS. Anyway, given the ideas/compounds you listed: For speed and explosiveness I would lean more towards lower dose test with masteron. The tbol maybe just to kick and finish off, not all through and then leaving it out after last inject. I'll tell you tren is not something I'd really associate with speed and explosiveness. The idea of trying to run up some stairs or something? Lol, forget about it! And besides, it's pretty well accepted wisdom that tren, tren e in particular, don't belong in a second cycle.

[Hermogenes]

Thanks for your input.

This is not a cycle for strength/explosion at all, that is just a clarification about my size.

My goal is to get ripped : )

I know that training and diet will do most of it but I already am not a big guy and I don't want to end up looking like a fashion model! Hence the usage of AAS.

I liked most of what I accomplished in last cycle but I believe that test E and OT where making me hold water as after I finished the cycle I was looking better than during it.

The idea of EOD shot for 3 months is not really appealing to me but I guess that I should just bite the bullet, drop the enanthate and go for shorter esters.

I know that tren is tren and there is only one way to know how it affects you and that is trying but I have high tolerance for a lot of stuff: alcohol, anesthesia and prescription drugs plus low side effects for pretty much everything and that makes me confident trying tren.

To be honest I just want to reach my 40's looking better than at my 20's.

[tylerrrman]

Yeah but if you go all out and try tren now, what will you use when you are 40, trying to maintain the physique your looking for?

The OT/test should be good for you at retaining the least water, as OT doesn't really bloat too bad.

Also, tren comes with scary sides (higher BP, acne, looooats of aggression, ...) and if you're going to run it, get blood tests done first, then do all the reading you possibly can about it.

Just because you can drink like a tank doesn't mean tren won't hit you hard. That has nothing to do with aas.

[Nooomoto]

No go on the tren, dude. If you're just trying to get ripped and this is strictly for aesthetic/casual reasons then why not just do some test and clen?

[tylerrrman]

Shoot, I've ran clen for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off in a 2 month period and burned up 4% BF. All I did was the normal strength training I would have done and 20 min of cardio every other day. Which isn't a whole lot. Diet has to be spot on with clen though.

[Hermogenes]

Just because you can drink like a tank doesn't mean tren won't hit you hard. That has nothing to do with aas.

I am very aware of that and expressed in more than on epost, hence using a shorter ester is the best option right now.

Clen has done nothing for me.

Thanks anyways

[tylerrrman]

Really?? Clen's strong, but if it has no effect maybe your CNS doesn't respond to stimulus as much as some other people.

I don't wana just say to not try the tren as I feel like you most likely will try it anyways.

Try this if you do decide to go on cycle soon:

1-12 week = test E 500mg EW
4-12 week = tren E 200mg EW
1-12 week = mast E 75mg E3D

[PC650]

Drop the tren!!

[tylerrrman]

yeah tren is nt the answer... it's honestly way too strong.

[Hermogenes]

Yeah.

Tren is a no go.

Too much good stuff happening at once in my life I can't risk ruining it because I am sleep deprived, anxious, paranoid or a full blown jerk.

Thanks for your input