1st time cycle

[cb121]

I was looking to do a cycle and I'm not sure what I should get.
I was looking at Tren 13 from NRG-X Labs followed with their PCT Maxx.
If anyone has used this product or have better suggestions please help
Any other suggestions on other products like H-Drol would help to...
just need to know what a good cycle would be

[JBarron]

FOr your first cycle bro I would just do 12 weeks of Test E, then your PCT. See how it goes for you, if your prone to gyno, and other sides, then take it from there.

[cb121]

is their a certain brand that makes the Test E that would be best? what PCT should I use with it?

[amcon]

eeeerrrrtttt... (screaching of tires to an abrupt stop)

stats first:

age and such

[cb121]

21
5'8
175

I don't want to do something overwhelmingly strong I'm not an idiot. I was just looking for something to pack on some muscle in a cycle. I have been researching all around and no one can seem to give good advice or help without bashing people for asking. I looked into Tren, Test, H-drol, winnie, and deca along with growth hormones. I just want to pack on some lean muscle. I'd rather stick to a capsules instead of injection. Can I please just get some good advice out of someone! Whatever advice you do give, break it down in lamest terms please.

[amcon]

ok, go research two things and come back with questions:

1-injections vers pils

and

2-first cycle

[cb121]

I've done a lot of research. I know injections are more effective but I'd rather stay away from it. As far as first cycles most people were recommending Test E, but when I looked around all I found were injections. I also seen people recommending Winnie for lean muscle gains or Deca for staking. My question is what is the best to go with to pack on some quick muscle gain and strength with a cycle? Which PCT should be used with it? and what is a good brand to take to maintain my liver during and post cycle? At first glance I liked what I read about tren 13 and pct maxx along with liver maxx from NRG-X labs as a starting set, but no one responded to if they were a good lab or the set up would be any good.

[JBarron]

@amcon good call on stats, you guys have been doing this longer I can tell lol.

Yeah man you need to probably do bit more research. I'm 22 I've been researching for the past month, I probably won't cycle for another year or more. Besides, at our age we can pack on some pretty reasonable size naturally, just make sure you have good training and diet.

[cb121]

or what about going a different route. I've heard that Methyl depot is good

[JBarron]

is that a Pro Hormone? I ran Methyl 1d a couple years ago. I didn't know what I was doing at the time so it was a waste. But I assume if you diet and train properly a PH could work. I'm about to run some IGF-2, and Neovar by Applied Nutracueticals.

I know some guys at bb.com who ran a bottle of it and had great results with gaining lean muscle while maintaining or dropping fat.

Whats your BF% btw?

[cb121]

yeah it is. i thought about doing it at first instead of dipping into something as hard as anabolic roids. I don't know if its safe to take only it or if I need other stuff to compliment it?

[jucin88]

I normally tell people keep it simple with something like cyp. But seeing your weight i would probably go the rough of test sus this will do everything you need and more. But you also say quick gains... you will gain but i would not do under 10 weeks i have personally never done under 12 weeks for the cycle like fallowing.

Week 1-5 d-bol (help get you going and pack on some weight)
Week 1-12 500mg of sus

PCT
WEEK 14: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 15: 40mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 16: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 16: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day

[JBarron]

I'm not really sure man that's stuff you will have to research yourself. How long have you been lifting?

[Bradly1234]

Just curious why you would rather stick to orals insted of injectables.... if your going to use steroids you should outweight the good and bad and not make any shortcuts just becuase your concerned of a little prick

[Okinawa_Power]

First off at 21 you are to young to be cycling....You need to train hard for the next 4 years and then think about doing a cycle. You are making more TEST right now then your body can actually process......Don't start to early or you will regret it. I did my first cycle when I turned 30 years old....Don't mess up your body for life....