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    Important AAS/Diet Q?/Vets/The knowledgeable chime in.

    There will be multiple parts to the question please answer what you can also feel free to explain to me the points where i am wrong if i am indeed wrong as well as take the time to tell me if im correct and why? If you have the knowledge and take to time to read this post i would like to hear your input. I will ask the questions then explain the theory behind my point/question either explain why im right or correct me and teach me if im wrong, that is the gist.

    Part 1: Cutting and AAS- Am i correct to assume the point behind cutting while on AAS say TEST E for example is to maintain lean mass while in a state of caloric deficit and if possible acquire new mass in the process. I assume if this is the case the process summed up works as such. You cut while being in a caloric deficit and while on AAS Macros are better unitized by the body, protein gets shot into the muscle and aminos into cells for growth, carbs are jettisoned into muscle for glycogen and stored for energy more readily rather than being laid down as fat and essential fats are better unitized for maintenance and all around bodily health ( Also because hwen taking in fat your body sees if you will that it is ok to release stored fat.. all these metabolic processes are enhanced thus easier to lose fat while holding onto muscle, correct?


    Part2: Bulking- Plain and simple while on AAS it is easier to bulk, protein synthesis is enhanced which leads to greater gains and creatine stores are improved leading to more physical strength and muscular endurance. summed up you may retain water but for the post part easy to bulk. AAS+clean eating 500-1000 calories OVER maintenance then Walhalla BULK

    Part3- Body recomposition- The process of gaining lean muscle mass while losing %BF i believe this process is harder than just straight bulking or cutting it is much easier to choose one than the other. I believe this [process is made possible via AAS> It is slower IMO then picking one or the other. THis can be achieved easily (if you wil) By carb cycling and staying high on protein and getting just enough fats so your body knows its ok to release stored fats? The AAS increases all the wonderful metabolic process's possible that lead to trimming fat while gaining muscle. Higher carb weight training days lower carb on rest days, cardio in AM on empty stomach and there you have it. an example diet of this would be:
    Monday
    Diet High Carb Day
    Lifting Chest / Shoulders
    Cardio None

    Tuesday
    Diet Medium Carb Day
    Lifting Back / Traps / Abs
    Cardio 30min on Stepmill (level 4 or above)

    Wednesday
    Diet Low Carb Day
    Lifting None
    Cardio 30min HIIT (on stationary bike)

    Thursday
    Diet High Carb Day
    Lifting Legs / Abs / Forearms
    Cardio None

    Friday
    Diet Medium Carb Day
    Lifting Biceps / Triceps
    Cardio 30min on Stepmill (level 4 or above)

    Saturday
    Diet Low Carb Day
    Lifting None
    Cardio 30min HIIT (on stationary bike)

    Sunday
    Diet Low Carb Day
    Lifting None
    Cardio 30min HIIT (on stationary bike)




    High Carb Day
    Meal #1 65g carbs / 35g protein
    Meal #2 same as above
    Meal #3 same as above
    Meal #4 same as above
    Meal #5 same as above
    Meal #6 same as above
    Meal #7 40g protein w/ unlimited green veggies

    Medium Carb Day
    Meal #1 55g carbs / 50g protein
    Meal #2 same as above
    Meal #3 same as above
    Meal #4 50g protein / 10g fat
    Meal #5 same as above
    Meal #6 same as above

    Low Carb Day
    Meal #1 50g carbs / 50g protein
    Meal #2 same as above
    Meal #3 50g protein / 15g fat
    Meal #4 same as above
    Meal #5 same as above
    Meal #6 same as above






    and there you have it any comments and corrections on the body recomp portion?

    As for me right now i enjoy bulking because i do a little bit of carb cycling and get to enjoy the foods i want when i want as long as i keep protein intake high eat simple and complex carbs at the right times like morning post workout and post workout meal and even cut loose a bit on the weekends, it is a most enjoyable process for me. And as for cutting hunker down get committed go into a deficit and use AAS/ the right supplements and hold onto what ya got and shed the fat. Body recomp can be great but slow and a bit of a pain. If i were to do a recomp it would be via a cyclical ketogenic diet such as the Anabolic Diet byt Dr. Mauro DiPasquele. There you have it my questions and comments, indulge me please

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimalJ View Post
    There will be multiple parts to the question please answer what you can also feel free to explain to me the points where i am wrong if i am indeed wrong as well as take the time to tell me if im correct and why? If you have the knowledge and take to time to read this post i would like to hear your input. I will ask the questions then explain the theory behind my point/question either explain why im right or correct me and teach me if im wrong, that is the gist.

    Part 1: Cutting and AAS- Am i correct to assume the point behind cutting while on AAS say TEST E for example is to maintain lean mass while in a state of caloric deficit and if possible acquire new mass in the process. I assume if this is the case the process summed up works as such. You cut while being in a caloric deficit and while on AAS Macros are better unitized by the body, protein gets shot into the muscle and aminos into cells for growth, carbs are jettisoned into muscle for glycogen and stored for energy more readily rather than being laid down as fat and essential fats are better unitized for maintenance and all around bodily health ( Also because hwen taking in fat your body sees if you will that it is ok to release stored fat.. all these metabolic processes are enhanced thus easier to lose fat while holding onto muscle, correct?
    Correct on this. Depending on the steroid in discussion, there are different reasons as to why certain things, like fat loss into an unhealthy balance, are achievable. But for the Test E example this appears correct.

    Part2: Bulking- Plain and simple while on AAS it is easier to bulk, protein synthesis is enhanced which leads to greater gains and creatine stores are improved leading to more physical strength and muscular endurance. summed up you may retain water but for the post part easy to bulk. AAS+clean eating 500-1000 calories OVER maintenance then Walhalla BULK
    Bulking with minimal fat gain is for the same reasons as cutting as posted above. Gaining muscle above the natural limit is because the increased hormonal levels (combined with the lack of other things such as cortisol) "override" the bodies own "preferences." That is how I think of it. It appears to me that after looking over different lab results, it seems that when everything in the body increases, no gain is achieved. However, when the level of one hormone gets distorted, without the distortion of another hormone, a dominance appears in the higher leveled hormone.
    Part3- Body recomposition- The process of gaining lean muscle mass while losing %BF i believe this process is harder than just straight bulking or cutting it is much easier to choose one than the other. I believe this [process is made possible via AAS> It is slower IMO then picking one or the other. THis can be achieved easily (if you wil) By carb cycling and staying high on protein and getting just enough fats so your body knows its ok to release stored fats? The AAS increases all the wonderful metabolic process's possible that lead to trimming fat while gaining muscle. Higher carb weight training days lower carb on rest days, cardio in AM on empty stomach and there you have it. an example diet of this would be:
    Monday
    Diet High Carb Day
    Lifting Chest / Shoulders
    Cardio None

    Tuesday
    Diet Medium Carb Day
    Lifting Back / Traps / Abs
    Cardio 30min on Stepmill (level 4 or above)

    Wednesday
    Diet Low Carb Day
    Lifting None
    Cardio 30min HIIT (on stationary bike)

    Thursday
    Diet High Carb Day
    Lifting Legs / Abs / Forearms
    Cardio None

    Friday
    Diet Medium Carb Day
    Lifting Biceps / Triceps
    Cardio 30min on Stepmill (level 4 or above)

    Saturday
    Diet Low Carb Day
    Lifting None
    Cardio 30min HIIT (on stationary bike)

    Sunday
    Diet Low Carb Day
    Lifting None
    Cardio 30min HIIT (on stationary bike)




    High Carb Day
    Meal #1 65g carbs / 35g protein
    Meal #2 same as above
    Meal #3 same as above
    Meal #4 same as above
    Meal #5 same as above
    Meal #6 same as above
    Meal #7 40g protein w/ unlimited green veggies

    Medium Carb Day
    Meal #1 55g carbs / 50g protein
    Meal #2 same as above
    Meal #3 same as above
    Meal #4 50g protein / 10g fat
    Meal #5 same as above
    Meal #6 same as above

    Low Carb Day
    Meal #1 50g carbs / 50g protein
    Meal #2 same as above
    Meal #3 50g protein / 15g fat
    Meal #4 same as above
    Meal #5 same as above
    Meal #6 same as above






    and there you have it any comments and corrections on the body recomp portion?
    I think you are correct to a certain extent. Once you achieve above natural limit status, you will not be able to carb cycle to gain and lose. Once you take AAS, you are then able to gain (and lose) continually, but just like if you were natural, you get to a point that doesn't allow you to continue. you can stay lean and gain slowly, but you will not be able to traditionally bulk then cut week to week. Your theory of carb cycling also neglects the sticking point that you want to create. It is also worth noting that your body will not create this sticking point at certain stats even with AAS

    As for me right now i enjoy bulking because i do a little bit of carb cycling and get to enjoy the foods i want when i want as long as i keep protein intake high eat simple and complex carbs at the right times like morning post workout and post workout meal and even cut loose a bit on the weekends, it is a most enjoyable process for me. And as for cutting hunker down get committed go into a deficit and use AAS/ the right supplements and hold onto what ya got and shed the fat. Body recomp can be great but slow and a bit of a pain. If i were to do a recomp it would be via a cyclical ketogenic diet such as the Anabolic Diet byt Dr. Mauro DiPasquele. There you have it my questions and comments, indulge me please
    my input is in bold above.

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    Indeed, thanks for your input.

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    bumpppp haha any other thoughts on these theories?

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