Really stupid effin question

[SkiFlex]

Alright gentlemen, Ive been a frequent reader of this forum for quite awhile now and I need to get some input on a very stupid question.

Ive been in this game a long time. Was a regional competitor in the late 80's to late 90's. Now that my children have reached High School Im very motivated to get back into competitive shape.

My question simply is this, alot of you "gurus" out there are offering all types of advice to teenagers and novices on your opinions of worthwhile gains. In other words Ive seen several exchanges that read like this " dont just do dbol or anavar by itself you wont gain anything" When you say dont gain anything do you really mean to say you wont gain 20lbs in an 8 week cycle? Cuz im here to tell you that doing just Dbol or just Anavar before a show has yielded me tremendous results. BUT THEN AGAIN, I think tremendous results are a good solid 10lbs of lean mass over an 8 week blast.

Perhaps an answer is quite simply that the gear today isnt as good as the gear years ago.

Any clarification is really appreciated

Ski

[RANA]

It's not a stupid question; I just think you are missing the point being presented. Yes can gain 20lbs, but of water some water and some muscle with dbol. The main concern about running most compounds is people failing to add one of the most important compounds, TEST. Test is need for just about every kind of cycle, with out breaking down every compound there is, it is now common practice to incorporate Test with your stack for numerous reason.

[Someguy123]

Yes can gain 20lbs, but of water some water and some muscle with dbol.

this totally depends on the person. i have awesome gains with d-bol. and i get really ripped and hard. some people tend to gain a lot of water though.

the main reason people dont reccomend d-bol only. is cause it shuts you down. thats fine if you dont care about getting a hard-on for the duration of your cycle. but thats a big problem for most people.

[dec11]

Alright gentlemen, Ive been a frequent reader of this forum for quite awhile now and I need to get some input on a very stupid question.

Ive been in this game a long time. Was a regional competitor in the late 80's to late 90's. Now that my children have reached High School Im very motivated to get back into competitive shape.

My question simply is this, alot of you "gurus" out there are offering all types of advice to teenagers and novices on your opinions of worthwhile gains. In other words Ive seen several exchanges that read like this " dont just do dbol or anavar by itself you wont gain anything" When you say dont gain anything do you really mean to say you wont gain 20lbs in an 8 week cycle? Cuz im here to tell you that doing just Dbol or just Anavar before a show has yielded me tremendous results. BUT THEN AGAIN, I think tremendous results are a good solid 10lbs of lean mass over an 8 week blast.

Perhaps an answer is quite simply that the gear today isnt as good as the gear years ago.

Any clarification is really appreciated

Ski

not the 1st time ive heard this from the more experienced guys

[Quo]

this totally depends on the person. i have awesome gains with d-bol. and i get really ripped and hard. some people tend to gain a lot of water though.

the main reason people dont reccomend d-bol only. is cause it shuts you down. thats fine if you dont care about getting a hard-on for the duration of your cycle. but thats a big problem for most people.

Not just some. Most. People aren't just pulling this out of their asses. Anecdotally, most people bloat terribly on cycle and then lose the majority of their gains after a DBol cycle. I can vouch for this with personal experience. I won't even do Dbol with test anymore.

To the OP - No, gear today is every bit as good or better than it was during your day.

Also, where are you getting that people on this forum offer cycle advice to teenagers? All I've ever seen here is people discouraging teenagers from using, period.

[dec11]

Not just some. Most. People aren't just pulling this out of their asses. Anecdotally, most people bloat terribly on cycle and then lose the majority of their gains after a DBol cycle. I can vouch for this with personal experience. I won't even do Dbol with test anymore.

To the OP - No, gear today is every bit as good or better than it was during your day.
Also, where are you getting that people on this forum offer cycle advice to teenagers? All I've ever seen here is people discouraging teenagers from using, period.

oh right so you can transport yourself back in time then?

[Quo]

oh right so you can transport yourself back in time then?

You in a bad mood today, Declan?

Nope. But I do know that everyone thinks that things are never as good as back when they did it. It's a very common syndrome. And why would gear be of worse quality today in spite of all kinds of advances in knowledge and chemistry? It makes no sense and there is no evidence to back such an assertion other than a bunch of guys who used to juice think so.

[redz]

I agree the gear today is likely just as good as it was then if not even stronger now in some cases. Many UGL's over dose their gear to make people keep using their brand.

[dec11]

not at all, pardon my enthusiasim!! lol. but i trust the experienced ppl i talk to and some also reckoned tht the gear isnt as good anymore, esp dbol and adrol. but very brand dependant i guess and tolerance can be a factor also

[SkiFlex]

Ill be happy to do the experiment on gear today vs yesterday. Like I said its been a very long time and I will be doing a very low dosage (30mg) of anavar only for 8 wks. It is meant to simply tease the system. We will see............


As far as the one poster wondering where I got the impression that gurus are giving teenagers advice: These young lads may not come out and say they are teens, obviously because they realize they wont be taken seriously, so they say.....my first cycle........whats a good starter drug.........so on and so on.

I agree, natural testosterone being produced by your own body the first 25 yrs of your life is best. But dont kid yourself, you guys are giving plenty of advice to teenagers whether you wanna admit it or not.

[Someguy123]

Not just some. Most. People aren't just pulling this out of their asses. .

i never said anyone was pulling anything out their ass. or calling anyone out. all i said is people are different, and gave my personal experience, which happens to be different from the norm. the point i was making, is that if something works for you, then go for it.

[MotoLifter]

Ill be happy to do the experiment on gear today vs yesterday. Like I said its been a very long time and I will be doing a very low dosage (30mg) of anavar only for 8 wks. It is meant to simply tease the system. We will see............


As far as the one poster wondering where I got the impression that gurus are giving teenagers advice: These young lads may not come out and say they are teens, obviously because they realize they wont be taken seriously, so they say.....my first cycle........whats a good starter drug.........so on and so on.

I agree, natural testosterone being produced by your own body the first 25 yrs of your life is best. But dont kid yourself, you guys are giving plenty of advice to teenagers whether you wanna admit it or not.

I cant help but point out that alot of what is lacking in "kids" that want to get on cycle it DIET!!! Most likely when you were doing your 8 week blasts pre-contest your diet was spot on or atleast close to it.

when a 20 yr old kid comes here who is "serious about lifting" ie: been working out for 6 months and wants to eat dbol like tictacs, then doesnt know why he loses the 15 lbs he gained in 6 weeks. I as well as many others here have recognized a pattern of this sort of thing, and therefore err on the side of caution by recommending against it. If I (or we) were being paid hourly to breakdown every newbs diet, training, bf, experience, and capabilities, I would be happy to evaluate everyone a a cellular level but until then I'm comfortable with how things are working.


Moto

[SkiFlex]

Thats fair moto, I cant disagree with anything you said. My original confusion really centered around what you consider "worthwhile" gains. I think everyone is different. Gaining 25lbs in your first cycle of dbol to lose 23 of it off cycle is something I always laughed at.

My personal philosophy was to really rely on my good genetics, nutrition and heavy training along with different confusion principals to gain size, and then use something like Anavar/Deca to retain as much as I could but get super hard. Everyone has different goals and perspectives. Im not now nor was I ever the type to be walking around at 250lbs at 5'9" looking very freaky. To me those huge freaks are very fleeting. They come and go, if you wanna be in this game a long time you have to take a different approach.

Be smart people.......tease your system, work hard when you are off cycle, youll be around a long time.

[no1tou]

I thought that back in the day dbol was a pure Methandrostenolone and is no longer made that way? Which would make it more concetraited but not better. Then is was made into "Reforvit-B", which is 25mgs of methandrostenolone mixed with B-vitamins. Just means you have to take more for the same doseage.

[OH REALLY]

i think most people just jump on the ban wagon here.fukkin newbies..
I have had people give me advice on stuff they never used or tried...pointless... wasting my time with some questions now when i have a real question i just pm some one i trust knows there shit...just my 2 cents

[no1tou]

i think most people just jump on the ban wagon here.fukkin newbies..
I have had people give me advice on stuff they never used or tried...pointless... wasting my time with some questions now when i have a real question i just pm some one i trust knows there shit...just my 2 cents

Yeah ****in newbies

[SkiFlex]

define newbie? you mean new to this forum? or new to this sport. if you are directing that at me i can assure you that im no ****in newbie. I would have a very difficult time calling someone a vet, because they know a little chemistry. Until you compete naturally most of your adult life and then get into the juice then you dont have a complete well rounded perspective.

How many of you have known young lads gain everything they had from chemicals? After the source is gone or god forbid their health, they are off to water aerobics looking like regis philbin the rest of their lives........just my 2cents, i got a little offended by the newbie comment.

[MotoLifter]

Thats fair moto, I cant disagree with anything you said. My original confusion really centered around what you consider "worthwhile" gains. I think everyone is different. Gaining 25lbs in your first cycle of dbol to lose 23 of it off cycle is something I always laughed at.

My personal philosophy was to really rely on my good genetics, nutrition and heavy training along with different confusion principals to gain size, and then use something like Anavar/Deca to retain as much as I could but get super hard. Everyone has different goals and perspectives. Im not now nor was I ever the type to be walking around at 250lbs at 5'9" looking very freaky. To me those huge freaks are very fleeting. They come and go, if you wanna be in this game a long time you have to take a different approach.

Be smart people.......tease your system, work hard when you are off cycle, youll be around a long time.

Stick around awhile and read some of the threads that are posted and who is posting them, and what they have done naturally and you'll see the absolute lack of knowledge about even the most basic of training or diet, then you'll see where the "anti dbol" ideas fit.

Oh and I dont think he was talking about you being a newb but i could be wrong, its happened before


Moto

[RANA]

Damn newbies stop your ****ing whining...lol
I never call anyone here a newbie, I know guys here that have 100 posts and have a shit ton of knowledge and I know some that have 5k and still don't know shit because they are too busy post whoring.
I only give advice if I have taking the compound or I have researched the shit out of it but I do let them know if I have or have not taken it

[dec11]

define newbie? you mean new to this forum? or new to this sport. if you are directing that at me i can assure you that im no ****in newbie. I would have a very difficult time calling someone a vet, because they know a little chemistry. Until you compete naturally most of your adult life and then get into the juice then you dont have a complete well rounded perspective.
How many of you have known young lads gain everything they had from chemicals? After the source is gone or god forbid their health, they are off to water aerobics looking like regis philbin the rest of their lives........just my 2cents, i got a little offended by the newbie comment.

well said

[OH REALLY]

define newbie? you mean new to this forum? or new to this sport. if you are directing that at me i can assure you that im no ****in newbie. I would have a very difficult time calling someone a vet, because they know a little chemistry. Until you compete naturally most of your adult life and then get into the juice then you don't have a complete well rounded perspective.

How many of you have known young lads gain everything they had from chemicals? After the source is gone or god forbid their health, they are off to water aerobics looking like regis philbin the rest of their lives........just my 2cents, i got a little offended by the newbie comment.

it wasn't directed to you it was directed to the newbies... they know who they are.. the ones that go around doing nothing but copy and paste threw out the forum and have no experience of there own except maybe a deca and test cycle,,

[OH REALLY]

Damn newbies stop your ****ing whining...lol
I never call anyone here a newbie, I know guys here that have 100 posts and have a shit ton of knowledge and I know some that have 5k and still don't know shit because they are too busy post whoring.
I only give advice if I have taking the compound or I have researched the shit out of it but I do let them know if I have or have not taken it

that is the way it should be

[MotoLifter]

Stick around awhile and read some of the threads that are posted and who is posting them, and what they have done naturally and you'll see the absolute lack of knowledge about even the most basic of training or diet, then you'll see where the "anti dbol" ideas fit.

Oh and I dont think he was talking about you being a newb but i could be wrong, its happened before


Moto

heres and example...http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=423149

no disrespect intended to the OP of that thread but that is almost a template for the "can I take dbol and get massive" thread. Again thats not what tha particular member said, but give it 2 weeks and 1 0r 2 drunken conversations at the bar with someone who thinks they know what they are talking about and...TAHHHDAHHHH: the Can I take Dbol and gain 40lbs of ripped thread.


Moto

[OH REALLY]

heres and example...http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=423149

no disrespect intended to the OP of that thread but that is almost a template for the "can I take dbol and get massive" thread. Again thats not what tha particular member said, but give it 2 weeks and 1 0r 2 drunken conversations at the bar with someone who thinks they know what they are talking about and...TAHHHDAHHHH: the Can I take Dbol and gain 40lbs of ripped thread.


Moto

this is one good example of why people need to do more and more reserch....