Help Supplements & Cutting & Diet

[thebigjg]

I am about to start spring cutting. What do you think?

I am just over 6 feet - 215lbs
Workout 4-6 times a week

First thing in the morning I take 32mg ephedrine, 200mg caffeine + 25-50mg winn (the idea behind the winn is to limit muscle loss on low cal diet etc)(?)

I do cardio almost every morning 5-7 times a week 45min light bike ride before I eat anything.

Then immediately after cardio I eat iso-protein + skim milk -about - 250cal 40g protein

Then I continue to eat approx every 2 hours 300cal till I reach approx 2500cal and 200-250g protein.

I do tend to continue eating later then I would like to get the cal and protein all in – right up to bed time ¿

Any opinions or ideas/changes?

Thanks

[mg1228]

are u taking winny by itself? if so how long u been doin that?

[thebigjg]

I am currently just starting my cutting, I was doing weight gain before for the last 2-3 months (Clean) gained about 15-20lbs now its almost summer and starting to cut.

I have been doing my cutting for about 4 days havent taken any winn yet - but i thought it might be good to help limit muscle loss and lean out etc.

[mg1228]

no dont take winny---research the steroid forum first

[thebigjg]

Why do you say this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

As the first line on the Anabolic Steroids Profile page says.

Winstrol - Stanozolol is a very commonly used anabolic steroid for cutting cycles

And I have done quite a bit of reading on it.

[mg1228]

well then u know u should run test with it, right?

[thebigjg]

Yes I have read that many times, but havent seen much evidence behind this claim when using it for cutting.

How would this compound not help pervent muscle loss when on a diet - and not help create a leaner body.

Im not saying that there are not better compounds. But at this junction in my life injecting is completly out of the question - Crazy GF.

???

Is anavar a way better option?

[mg1228]

i just know winny will supposedly shut u down hard--i just didnt want to see that happen

that being said---idk much about aas other than test---i will say that no matter what u take, it wont matter if ur diet aint right

[Swifto]

You need some sort of testosterone preperation. A small dose of Test Prop 50-100mg/EOD is what I use. That with Winstrol and an AI (small dose) would be fine.

[thebigjg]

MG1228
My diet is very clean and percise - I use meashuring tools for all food consumption (scale, meashuring cups/spoons etc) and write all food consumed in a journal.

As for what im consuming I have been told my diet isnt very good by someone else on this form. I have decided to consume 2500cal and 220-250g Protein a day. approx 300cal each meal every 2 hours approx. - I thought that it sounded good he said otherwise but offer no reasion to as why yet.

I also do not consume almost any sugar/simple carbs except from skim-milk and fat-free-yogurt (oh and an apple here and there) the meat I eat is all lean and I weigh it before I eat it. When I do need to use some oil to cook its only a small amount of EVOO. Am I going wrong somewere?

Also with what you siad winny shutting you down hard wont my pct help pervent that ?

Swifto
Why do you believe I need some test prep? Just wonder the science/idea behind it
Im not sure what AI is ?

[mg1228]

MG1228
My diet is very clean and percise - I use meashuring tools for all food consumption (scale, meashuring cups/spoons etc) and write all food consumed in a journal.

As for what im consuming I have been told my diet isnt very good by someone else on this form. I have decided to consume 2500cal and 220-250g Protein a day. approx 300cal each meal every 2 hours approx. - I thought that it sounded good he said otherwise but offer no reasion to as why yet.

I also do not consume almost any sugar/simple carbs except from skim-milk and fat-free-yogurt the meat I eat is all lean and I weigh it before I eat it. When I do need to use some oil to cook its only a small amount of EVOO. Am I going wrong somewere?it all sounds pretty good--but i couldnt really go any further than that without seeing ur diet laid out

Also with what you siad winny shutting you down hard wont my pct help pervent that ?yea it will---but do u wanna feel like shit thruout cycle?

Swifto
Why do you believe I need some test prep? Just wonder the science/idea behind it
Im not sure what AI is ?

see bold---winny isnt gonna give u what u want--test prop @ 100mg eod and winny might---but id just go with the test prop

[thebigjg]

mg1228 Thanks for the reply's

Im still not understanding exactly why a test created for gaining weight would be good for fat loss - but I guess It will stop the loss of muscle, and since my diet is good & my calories are deficent from my BMR + Exercise I souldnt gain any fat.

As for my diet a day might look like this.

9am - E/C/A + 45min light cardio
approx 10am - Shake iso + skimmilk - 50g protein 300cal
12noon - Wholeweat bread + Can light tuna + yogurt - 39g Protein 285cal
2pm - Protein bar/shake (With carbs) - 25-30g protein 300cal
4pm - Sandwitch Wholeweat bread + lean meat (Chicken, Tuna) 35g 320cal
4:30 - Workout/Plyometrics depending on the day
5:30 - Iso shake with water - 180cal 40g protein
6pm - 2 yogurts + apple - 8g protein 160cal
7pm - meat (roast's, chicken, steak) - veggies + approx 1/2 cup long grain rice - 40g protein 550cal
9pm - 3 yogurts + some cottage cheese - 20g protein - 250
12-1am - go 2sleep
There is sometimes a bit of oil/ketchup/light-mayo/dressing and some salids/raw veggies thrown in there etc - max 200-400cal - depending if I see that im a bit under on my calories as the day goes along

[mg1228]

mg1228 Thanks for the reply's

Im still not understanding exactly why a test created for gaining weight would be good for fat loss - but I guess It will stop the loss of muscle, and since my diet is good & my calories are deficent from my BMR + Exercise I souldnt gain any fat.yea ur diet dictates if u lose weight or gain weight--not the test

As for my diet a day might look like this.

9am - E/C/A + 45min light cardio
approx 10am - Shake iso + skimmilk - 50g protein 300caldrop the milk--add oats
12noon - Wholeweat bread + Can light tuna + yogurt - 39g Protein 285caldrop the yogurt
2pm - Protein bar/shake (With carbs) - 25-30g protein 300cali wouldnt do protein bars--might as well eat a candy bar with a scoop of whey
4pm - Sandwitch Wholeweat bread + lean meat (Chicken, Tuna) 35g 320cal
4:30 - Workout/Plyometrics depending on the day
5:30 - Iso shake with water - 180cal 40g proteinadd oats here
6pm - 2 yogurts + apple - 8g protein 160calthis is no good--need lean protein and complex carb
7pm - meat (roast's, chicken, steak) - veggies + approx 1/2 cup long grain rice - 40g protein 550calthis is a real meal--do more like it
9pm - 3 yogurts + some cottage cheese - 20g protein - 250no yogurt if u wanna cut fat
12-1am - go 2sleep
There is sometimes a bit of oil/ketchup/light-mayo/dressing and some salids/raw veggies thrown in there etc - max 200-400cal - depending if I see that im a bit under on my calories as the day goes along

see bold above---really need all macros for each meal---and totals for the day

imo, u dont need aas to meet ur goals---just get the diet sorted and u will get there in no time

[thebigjg]

Whats wrong with the milk and yogurt - because it has sugar/simple carbs?

I cant tell you off hand this second what the macros are but I know it comes in around calories from = 40-42% protein - 57-60% carbs - 1-2% fat


EDIT
I guess I need to eat some more fat?
Perhaps this is why I am having problems consuming 2500cal a day.
Problem is im not sure how many calories im getting from my flax and omega oil - this is not included in my macros

[mg1228]

Whats wrong with the milk and yogurt - because it has sugar/simple carbs?yep

I cant tell you off hand this second what the macros are but I know it comes in around calories from = 40-42% protein - 57-60% carbs - 1-2% fattry to get it to 40/40/20 split


EDIT
I guess I need to eat some more fat?
Perhaps this is why I am having problems consuming 2500cal a day.
Problem is im not sure how many calories im getting from my flax and omega oil - this is not included in my macrosgotta include it

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[thebigjg]

ok so 4 flax pills n 4 omega pills like 80cal - so - 3.2% so total fat is like - 4.2-5.2%

So should I be consuming more fat ?

[mg1228]

absolutely--i take 15gr of fish oil a day

efas are essential for losing fat---and about a million other things

[mg1228]

cut the carbs back to 40% and add back the cals in efas

[thebigjg]

So what should my macro %'s be for optimal fat loss?
p/c/f ?

[thebigjg]

Got it thanks

[mg1228]

So what should my macro %'s be for optimal fat loss?
p/c/f ?

40/40/20 or 40/30/30 will def do it

[thebigjg]

so lower carbs and higher health fat is better? - 40/30/30 is better then 40/40/20

or there about the same

[mg1228]

bout the same---somewhere in there

[thebigjg]

OK Thanks for everything

[mg1228]

ur welcome---good luck