tren,deca,test,prop,d-bol

[atlas78]

I saw this cycle somewhere and wanted to know what u guys thought for a thrid cycle.just seems a bit over the top to me.

test prop week 1-4 100mgs eod.
test e week 1-14 500mgs.
deca week 1-12 500mgs
tren a week 5-12 50mgs ed
d-bol week 5-12 40mgs

the reson 4 d-bol at week 5 they say is that the d-bol works well with tren any one done this.

[inky-e]

I saw this cycle somewhere and wanted to know what u guys thought for a thrid cycle.just seems a bit over the top to me.

test prop week 1-4 100mgs eod.
test e week 1-14 500mgs.
deca week 1-12 500mgs
tren a week 5-12 50mgs edd-bol week 5-12 40mgs
the reson 4 d-bol at week 5 they say is that the d-bol works well with tren any one done this.

Ridiculous

[taiboxa]

i'd never run a cycle like that..

[RANA]

Crap cycle, what are your stats and your previous cycles (include dosage and lenght)

[victor-richards]

can anyone explain exactly why that cycle is not a good idea?

I have often heard it said that using dbol later in the cycle can be very effective.

[atlas78]

31 years old 86kgs 5.8 in height 16%bf or less not sure. Done test d-bol first cycle test 4 12 weeks at 500mgs d-bol 4 four weeks at 40mgs ed.2nd cycle test 4 14 weeks at 500mgs deca 4 12weeks at 500mgs and d-bol at 60mgs 4 six weeks. have not done a cycle in just about 2years. Just would like to through in tren into the mix.

[victor-richards]

well my training partner just ran this course

test-e= 800mg per week - wk1-16
decca = 500mg per week - wk1-15
tren e = 500mg per week - wk1-12
dbol = 40mg per day - wk5-9

this was his 5th cycle and i would say it has been his best so far, with maybe the exception of his very first cycle.

he doesn't care about the kick-start, and says he will always run the dbol once the others start to kick in.

he's looking pretty good right now, and after only his clomid pct (no hcg or anything else) he says he feels ready for his gf most of the time again already.

I'm sure they are better cycles upon which he may have grown even better, i just want to know why the OP's suggested cycle was thought to be so bad?

[lovbyts]

Most people say DONT stack Tren and Deca

Most everything I have read and heard tren and deca can both cause progesterone gyno stacking them could be make it a lot more likely.

Also it had been noted that stacking them causes a LOT more problems with libido.

I wouldnt risk it if it where me...

This is your 2nd cycle? Dont use tren yet. Go with the deca or copy your first cycle.
Do you have a PCT planned? God I hope so unless you really dont care about Libido. LOL

[gixxerboy1]

Most people say DONT stack Tren and Deca

Most everything I have read and heard tren and deca can both cause progesterone gyno stacking them could be make it a lot more likely.

Also it had been noted that stacking them causes a LOT more problems with libido.

I wouldnt risk it if it where me...

This is your 2nd cycle? Dont use tren yet. Go with the deca or copy your first cycle.
Do you have a PCT planned? God I hope so unless you really dont care about Libido. LOL

i agree. I personally wouldnt run both together. Im sure some have and had no problems. But for me why risk it when you have so many options

[Vitruvian-Man]

This is your 2nd cycle?

..... doesn't anyone read anymore?

31 years old 86kgs 5.8 in height 16%bf or less not sure. Done test d-bol first cycle test 4 12 weeks at 500mgs d-bol 4 four weeks at 40mgs ed.2nd cycle test 4 14 weeks at 500mgs deca 4 12weeks at 500mgs and d-bol at 60mgs 4 six weeks.

-VM

[RANA]

there are a few reason why you shouldn't run this cycle. First you have never ran tren before so you dont know what the effects will be. Second this is only going to be your third cycle and those are a lot of compounds, with you hgt, wgt, and bf% you should be focusing on your diet. Third most would recommend you NOT taking 2 19-nor together, I know a few vets with numerous experiences have ran 2- 19 nor together. I wouldn't recommend taht especially with limited experience. Just because your friends have ran it and had no issues doesn't mean the same thing will happen to you.

[the big 1]

This cycle is like an obese persons meal plan.

imagine the sides, the human body would just not take it

[atlas78]

ok ill stay away from the tren 4 now untill i know more about it. ill stick to what i know with the test and deca thanks guys.

[victor-richards]

thanks for the replies - i was very interested in this thread since i'd seriously been considering running that same cycle as my training partner had finished. Mostly due to just observing the transformation that took place.

Is this a general rule - not mixing too many different substances together.

Like for instance 400mg decca + 400mg tren per week in a cycle is going to give much more sides than 800mg decca per week. I mean that would be a very high dose of decca i realise, but just for the example? i know both of those are from the nor19 group that i have seen mentioned on here. So in a cycle would say 250mg decca and 250 tren e, mess with your labido more than 500mg decca?

More interesting now to me, (since i'm going to leave the tren for the next cycle and just stick with the decca)is the position in which to drop the dbol in. Has anyone else left the dbol until the test e and decca have started to kick in before? i have known serveral people to do this and swear by it at our gym. I know information derived from the gym is not the same as like a scientific study so i just want to ask here and hear what people say.

I mean could you just forget dbol and up the dosages of the other 2 injectables to get the same effect, or would the dbol have different receptors to bind to that are still free, even if the receptors that decca and test e have bound to already and used up or down-graded?

If you don't care about the kickstart and just run the course an extra 4 weeks, would adding the dbol at say week 5-9 be a good thing or bad? is it best to stick to less compounds and just have higher doses?

I don't like jabs all that much and try to keep to 2 per week, 2ml is the most i can take in one jab since otherwise my leg feels very stiff the next couple of days. Therefore a top up with dbol could be away to get an extra boost - if it's a good idea. If not then i'll leave the dbol out since i don't mind waiting for the enanthate/decca to kick in.

With regard to the liver, i've never taken dbol or any pill in a course before. So is 40mg of dbol per day so 280mg per week about 2 x as liver toxic as say 280mg of test-e or tren-e? i read that the orals have to pass the liver 2x, so are they 2x as toxic, or is that not really how it works?

Has anyone even a rough idea or the comparison between dbol and say alcohol, i know it's a weird question but say you drunk 100ml of 40% vodka per day for 1 month. How would that compare in terms of stress on the liver to 40mg of dbol per day?

That sounds a strange question, but any one seen any studies on this. Again this weird idea came to mind from listening to a converstaion at my gym. Some guy was saying he doesn't take his dbols on the weekend - because he doesn't train weekends and sometimes has a few vodkas and therefore the liver was probably just getting a break from the dbols but then dealing with the vodka instead.

[Hard.On]

thanks for the replies - i was very interested in this thread since i'd seriously been considering running that same cycle as my training partner had finished. Mostly due to just observing the transformation that took place.

Is this a general rule - not mixing too many different substances together.

Like for instance 400mg decca + 400mg tren per week in a cycle is going to give much more sides than 800mg decca per week. I mean that would be a very high dose of decca i realise, but just for the example? i know both of those are from the nor19 group that i have seen mentioned on here. So in a cycle would say 250mg decca and 250 tren e, mess with your labido more than 500mg decca?

More interesting now to me, (since i'm going to leave the tren for the next cycle and just stick with the decca)is the position in which to drop the dbol in. Has anyone else left the dbol until the test e and decca have started to kick in before? i have known serveral people to do this and swear by it at our gym. I know information derived from the gym is not the same as like a scientific study so i just want to ask here and hear what people say.

I mean could you just forget dbol and up the dosages of the other 2 injectables to get the same effect, or would the dbol have different receptors to bind to that are still free, even if the receptors that decca and test e have bound to already and used up or down-graded?

If you don't care about the kickstart and just run the course an extra 4 weeks, would adding the dbol at say week 5-9 be a good thing or bad? is it best to stick to less compounds and just have higher doses?

I don't like jabs all that much and try to keep to 2 per week, 2ml is the most i can take in one jab since otherwise my leg feels very stiff the next couple of days. Therefore a top up with dbol could be away to get an extra boost - if it's a good idea. If not then i'll leave the dbol out since i don't mind waiting for the enanthate/decca to kick in.

With regard to the liver, i've never taken dbol or any pill in a course before. So is 40mg of dbol per day so 280mg per week about 2 x as liver toxic as say 280mg of test-e or tren-e? i read that the orals have to pass the liver 2x, so are they 2x as toxic, or is that not really how it works?

Has anyone even a rough idea or the comparison between dbol and say alcohol, i know it's a weird question but say you drunk 100ml of 40% vodka per day for 1 month. How would that compare in terms of stress on the liver to 40mg of dbol per day?

That sounds a strange question, but any one seen any studies on this. Again this weird idea came to mind from listening to a converstaion at my gym. Some guy was saying he doesn't take his dbols on the weekend - because he doesn't train weekends and sometimes has a few vodkas and therefore the liver was probably just getting a break from the dbols but then dealing with the vodka instead.

too much to read
all i can say is that for ur 2nd cycle
test/dbol
save deca for ur 3rd and hold off on tren

[RANA]

thanks for the replies - i was very interested in this thread since i'd seriously been considering running that same cycle as my training partner had finished. Mostly due to just observing the transformation that took place.

Is this a general rule - not mixing too many different substances together.

Like for instance 400mg decca + 400mg tren per week in a cycle is going to give much more sides than 800mg decca per week. I mean that would be a very high dose of decca i realise, but just for the example? i know both of those are from the nor19 group that i have seen mentioned on here. So in a cycle would say 250mg decca and 250 tren e, mess with your labido more than 500mg decca?

More interesting now to me, (since i'm going to leave the tren for the next cycle and just stick with the decca)is the position in which to drop the dbol in. Has anyone else left the dbol until the test e and decca have started to kick in before? i have known serveral people to do this and swear by it at our gym. I know information derived from the gym is not the same as like a scientific study so i just want to ask here and hear what people say.

I mean could you just forget dbol and up the dosages of the other 2 injectables to get the same effect, or would the dbol have different receptors to bind to that are still free, even if the receptors that decca and test e have bound to already and used up or down-graded?

If you don't care about the kickstart and just run the course an extra 4 weeks, would adding the dbol at say week 5-9 be a good thing or bad? is it best to stick to less compounds and just have higher doses?

I don't like jabs all that much and try to keep to 2 per week, 2ml is the most i can take in one jab since otherwise my leg feels very stiff the next couple of days. Therefore a top up with dbol could be away to get an extra boost - if it's a good idea. If not then i'll leave the dbol out since i don't mind waiting for the enanthate/decca to kick in.

With regard to the liver, i've never taken dbol or any pill in a course before. So is 40mg of dbol per day so 280mg per week about 2 x as liver toxic as say 280mg of test-e or tren-e? i read that the orals have to pass the liver 2x, so are they 2x as toxic, or is that not really how it works?

Has anyone even a rough idea or the comparison between dbol and say alcohol, i know it's a weird question but say you drunk 100ml of 40% vodka per day for 1 month. How would that compare in terms of stress on the liver to 40mg of dbol per day?

That sounds a strange question, but any one seen any studies on this. Again this weird idea came to mind from listening to a converstaion at my gym. Some guy was saying he doesn't take his dbols on the weekend - because he doesn't train weekends and sometimes has a few vodkas and therefore the liver was probably just getting a break from the dbols but then dealing with the vodka instead.

You need to start your own thread so that others can address your questions

[Hard.On]

You need to start your own thread so that others can address your questions

oh sh!t
i thought that was the OP

Dont hijack

[victor-richards]

ok sorry guys,

i thought the OP had done with this thread from reading his last comment.

I was just sort of following up on his question, not trying to divert it to an unrelated issue.

i'll open another thread.