What to do now?

[mikefd024]

So i'm just finishing up a 12 week cycle of Deca, I feel I had amazing results. BF way down, strength way up, and I gained 15lbs of solid mass. Love it and wish my cycle was longer, I don't want to lose my gains. I plan on eating like a horse, lots of protein, healthy of course like I have been doing, but I wanna do another cycle next time with Test C. How long do I need to wait between cycles, any suggestions besides Creatine to use in between cycles. I was thinking a pro hormone of some sort...Any opinions and help would be appreciated....

[breakbones]

By the sounds of your post; YOU DID A DECA ONLY CYCLE?

If that's the case, you should not even be doing AAS, you should be reading.

In addition. if you did a Deca only cycle, then your bodys' going to take some hell time to get back to normal before you can or even should start another

[Someguy123]

say bye bye to erections for a month. lol

[Neevor]

Loosing your sex drive isnt always a bad thing. I knew a guy who ran 500mg of deca and 250mg of Test for the last three months of his wifes pregnancy when she was in pain and had no interest in sex. He said it made life a lot easier.

Seriously though, did you really run a cycle with just Deca or did it just sound that way in your post?

You should be waiting at least as long as the cycle lasted to do another one. Take a couple weeks off somewhere in there too once your hormones are back on track. Your body needs rest. You'll come back stronger.

As far as sups go. I take 5000mg of argenine 4 times a day, half of my protein comes from whey, and I take super pump 250 before my work outs. That help?

[Someguy123]

As far as sups go. I take 5000mg of argenine 4 times a day, half of my protein comes from whey, and I take super pump 250 before my work outs. That help?

thats really not a good thing.

[Mooseman33]

what about PCT?

are u taking anything now?

u need a very intense PCT asap...

[Neevor]

thats really not a good thing.

Well thats what Frederick Hatfield (Dr. Squat) recommends and I've put on 50lbs of muscle with that so I'm gonna say "yeah, it is a good thing"

Whey protein is the most readily absorbable whole protein out there and it requires the least amount of carbohydrates to breakdown and digest. Google Bill Pearl "The Vegitarian Bodybuilder". They guy eats milk and eggs for cryin out loud.



yeah, thats me peeing on you just in case you werent sure

[ninesecz]

deca dick!!!!!

[mikefd024]

So I have a little Deca Dick, but it still works, and as far as PCT hasn't started yet just finished yesterday with my last injection. I look around here for PCT info but its all frickin confusing on what to use and how much. Is there a good thread for PCT, or can anyone break it down in a uncomplicated way as far what worked for them!! AND YES I KNOW POOR PLANNING ON MY PART!!!

[Kibble]

So i'm just finishing up a 12 week cycle of Deca, I feel I had amazing results. BF way down, strength way up, and I gained 15lbs of solid mass. Love it and wish my cycle was longer, I don't want to lose my gains. I plan on eating like a horse, lots of protein, healthy of course like I have been doing, but I wanna do another cycle next time with Test C. How long do I need to wait between cycles, any suggestions besides Creatine to use in between cycles. I was thinking a pro hormone of some sort...Any opinions and help would be appreciated....

No. A prohormone cycle is an oral steroid cycle. It will work against recovery. Bad idea

By the sounds of your post; YOU DID A DECA ONLY CYCLE?

If that's the case, you should not even be doing AAS, you should be reading.

In addition. if you did a Deca only cycle, then your bodys' going to take some hell time to get back to normal before you can or even should start another

Even if he had run test, he would still be totally shut down. Makes no difference

[Matt]

Could you tell me Mike how it is that at 36 years of age your still growing because it seems that when you give out your stats they change????

[Neevor]

Is there a good thread for PCT, or can anyone break it down in a uncomplicated way as far what worked for them!!

You gotta promise not to be a dope next time k?

Here is what I do for Deca:

Nandralone has such a long ester and half life (stays active in your system for up to 18 months) that it requires, at least in my experience, a longer PCT. Normally for like a 12 weeks of test and say Tren enth I could wait two weeks then run PCT for two weeks and probably get away with not even using HCG if I took tribulus or something. BUT! With Nandralone what I usually do (and I realize this first part wont apply to you cause you didnt run any test but I run test for two more weeks after the Deca ends. So if I have a cycle of 12 weeks, I only run the deca for 10. Then after I finish the test I wait two weeks for it to break down. THEN I start my PCT for FOUR weeks. 20mg of Nolvadex a day and 500iu of HCG every other day for two to three weeks of that. (I say two to three weeks because Ive found I can feel when my balls are kickin in again so I judge it by the feeling)

Now, HCG is just as finicky as Deca (good job, you really did pick a hard one to **** around with) because if you take too much you'll actually continue to shut down your system and your PCT willl be worthless. If you take it without an estrogen blocker you'll shut down your system.

So, now you know. Don't feel too bad either. Everyone makes mistakes. I bet at least half of the dudes makin fun of you for this cycle made some newb mistake back in the day that they'll never fess to now. I'll tell you, my very first cycle was exactly what you just did. There's a website out there that recommends deca only as a good cutting cycle. They are way over priced (partially because they sell real human grade pharm stuff) and their selection is super low. Looking back now I cant believe what a dope I was to believe that crap. I know what I know about recovering from Deca because my PCT was too short the first time and I ended up having to run a second one a month after.

Anyway, live and learn, good luck getting your nuts back lol.

[RoadToRecovery]

Deca only cycles are not as bad as everyone makes them out to be. Few years back I did a 400mg/wk deca only cycle with no shut down, no sides, and completely healed my tendinitis.

[Neevor]

Hmm.. thats interesting. Deca has been shown to increase tendon strength over other steroids so I can believe what you are saying.

I don't think that I would ever choose to run one again. The sex drive shut down is a little much for me personally. And the lengthy PCT is annoying for not having it be a bigger cycle with lots of kick ass gains.

[Someguy123]

Well thats what Frederick Hatfield (Dr. Squat) recommends and I've put on 50lbs of muscle with that so I'm gonna say "yeah, it is a good thing"

Whey protein is the most readily absorbable whole protein out there and it requires the least amount of carbohydrates to breakdown and digest. Google Bill Pearl "The Vegitarian Bodybuilder". They guy eats milk and eggs for cryin out loud.



yeah, thats me peeing on you just in case you werent sure

as long as youre getting your minimum protein intake from solid food. and youre just using the shakes, to boost your protein intke way past what you need. theres just no substitute for solid food. anyway, go ahead and do whatever you feel works for you. im not your trainer, so it doesnt matter to me.

[Someguy123]

Even if he had run test, he would still be totally shut down. Makes no difference

it does make a difference, because if you run test, you still have synthetic test in your system while youre bringing your natural stuff back. but with deca only, he has no test at all in his system, while he is waiting for the deca to clear.

OP, whats so confusing about the PCT?? the threads all pretty much say the same thing. Nolva 40/40/20/20 clomid 100/100/50/50

might be a good idea for you to run a bit of HCG over the next few weeks, while youre weaiting for the deca to clear your system, if youre lucky your boys will have a bit of oomph to them by the time you start PCT.

[Kibble]

it does make a difference, because if you run test, you still have synthetic test in your system while youre bringing your natural stuff back. but with deca only, he has no test at all in his system, while he is waiting for the deca to clear.
OP, whats so confusing about the PCT?? the threads all pretty much say the same thing. Nolva 40/40/20/20 clomid 100/100/50/50

might be a good idea for you to run a bit of HCG over the next few weeks, while youre weaiting for the deca to clear your system, if youre lucky your boys will have a bit of oomph to them by the time you start PCT.

I was not talking about havin test in his system to support libido, energy, emotion.... etc. I was saying that the degree of shut down would be no different. That is all. s.h.u.t.d.o.w.n.

[mikefd024]

**** Finally thank you, all you want is a little info and people frickin wig on you because I f'ed up...I know I get it...Now where do you find HCG, and is there another name for it, besides the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin????

You gotta promise not to be a dope next time k?

Here is what I do for Deca:

Nandralone has such a long ester and half life (stays active in your system for up to 18 months) that it requires, at least in my experience, a longer PCT. Normally for like a 12 weeks of test and say Tren enth I could wait two weeks then run PCT for two weeks and probably get away with not even using HCG if I took tribulus or something. BUT! With Nandralone what I usually do (and I realize this first part wont apply to you cause you didnt run any test but I run test for two more weeks after the Deca ends. So if I have a cycle of 12 weeks, I only run the deca for 10. Then after I finish the test I wait two weeks for it to break down. THEN I start my PCT for FOUR weeks. 20mg of Nolvadex a day and 500iu of HCG every other day for two to three weeks of that. (I say two to three weeks because Ive found I can feel when my balls are kickin in again so I judge it by the feeling)

Now, HCG is just as finicky as Deca (good job, you really did pick a hard one to **** around with) because if you take too much you'll actually continue to shut down your system and your PCT willl be worthless. If you take it without an estrogen blocker you'll shut down your system.

So, now you know. Don't feel too bad either. Everyone makes mistakes. I bet at least half of the dudes makin fun of you for this cycle made some newb mistake back in the day that they'll never fess to now. I'll tell you, my very first cycle was exactly what you just did. There's a website out there that recommends deca only as a good cutting cycle. They are way over priced (partially because they sell real human grade pharm stuff) and their selection is super low. Looking back now I cant believe what a dope I was to believe that crap. I know what I know about recovering from Deca because my PCT was too short the first time and I ended up having to run a second one a month after.

Anyway, live and learn, good luck getting your nuts back lol.

[mikefd024]

Break those down 40mg daily, every other day, weekly etc...Thank You learnin here at the wrong time..

[bjohnson1968]

pct is dosed ED

[sixxer]

No. A prohormone cycle is an oral steroid cycle. It will work against recovery. Bad idea


Even if he had run test, he would still be totally shut down. Makes no difference

Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if you just run Test, after about 4 weeks won't you be completely shutdown too?

All this hype about not running anything but Test for your first cycle, and extra emphasis on staying away from Deca.

Ok, Deca will completely shut you down after a single 100mg dose. But Test will completely shut you down after several weeks anyway. What is the difference?

[Neevor]

Ok, Deca will completely shut you down after a single 100mg dose. But Test will completely shut you down after several weeks anyway. What is the difference?

I'm starting to feel like this is going in circles. Because Deca kills your sex drive and even though test shuts you down its easier to come off off. Deca requires a harder PCT. Plus the sides are stronger (in my experience).

[Neevor]

Now where do you find HCG

This is fishing I believe.

Can't tell you where to get it because its a prescription drug. You should be able to get it from your source if they are worth anything. You could go to your doctor and say "Hey Doc, I did steroids and then didn't think about how I'd need to fix myself so could you prescribe me some of this?"

is there another name for it, besides the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin????

Yep! HCG!