PCT start times

[H_U_G_O]

hey guys,

24 years old
97 kg 6'0 ft
15 % bbf
2 years gym experience
2nd cycle

I'm on week 6 of 500mg Test E and 400mg of Deca, planning to cut deca and stay 2 weeks more on test E and adding Stanazol, Clenbuterol, and L-carnitine from week 8-12. Note that i ran Dianabol 4 weeks with test and deca.

1st question: should i start the pct 16 days after i stop test E or should i start it after i finish my whole cycle ?

2nd question: I bought the essential 4 medicine from the pharmacy i heard it helps the liver clean out the toxicity of stanazol and clenbuterol, shall i take it on cycle or after i finish ?

3rd question: i knw clenbuterol should be taken 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, is it possible to use it as follows : Mon Tue Wed Thur ON Fri Sat Sun OFF for 4 weeks ? or is it a bad idea ?

3th question: yesterday i smoked some hash at nite, after 30 mins i started shivering as if my blood pressure went really really down and my heart beats increased do u guys think its really a bad idea to smoke up while on cycle, does it effect (healthwise) ?


comments and suggestions are welcomed... even if they are bad...

[sixxer]

Deca should be ran longer than 6 weeks, seriously no point running it any less than 10, 12 is best. I suggest running Deca till 12, so run Test till 14. Add Winstrol at 8 weeks if you want to run it for 6 and continue till 14. Or you could add it at 10 weeks and run it for 4, till 14. Run Milk Thistle for the entire time you're running Winstrol.

Start PCT 2 weeks after your last Test E dose. And run Clen during PCT. 2 on 2 off is not the most effective way or running Clen. Run it for you entire PCT (4-6 weeks) and for another 2-4 weeks. So 6-8 weeks of Clen.

PCT
Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Vit. E 1000iu/1000iu/1000iu

[sixxer]

Personally, I wouldn't take HCG.

But some would suggest you run it in place of the Clomid for PCT, especially after a cycle that included Deca.

You would run it for 3 weeks at 500iu/day, perhaps with some Aromasin too, 20mgs/day for 4 weeks.

[H_U_G_O]

alright, so ill cut deca on week 10, than cut test on week 12 and start stanazol on week 6 ? is that wat u meant ?
ill run clen on pct no problem had that in mind, but 2 weeks on 2 weeks off thats 1 month passing, than i run 2 weeks on 2 weeks off thats 2 months... thats how u meant it right ?

[sixxer]

If you want to run Winstrol for 6 weeks, which is probably best, yes start Winstrol at week 6 and run through till the end of your cycle. So basically

Weeks 1-10 Deca
Weeks 1-12 Test E
Weeks 6-12 Winstrol

No, don't run Clen 2 on 2 off. Run it for 6-8 weeks straight. Or until you're satisfied, though I wouldn't run it longer than 12 weeks.

So if you opt for the more aggressive PCT of 6 weeks, which I would considering your cycle. Start Clen immediately upon ceasing cycle, and right through your PCT. This would total 8 weeks straight.

[Tyler694]

... Run Milk Thistle for the entire time you're running Winstrol. ...

I would run some kind of liver detoxifier (such as Liv52) too. Running some hawthorne berry, celery seed, grape seed, and NAC wouldn't hurt either..

... And run Clen during PCT. 2 on 2 off is not the most effective way or running Clen. Run it for you entire PCT (4-6 weeks) and for another 2-4 weeks. So 6-8 weeks of Clen. ...

6-8 weeks of clen with no ketofin? The effects usually taper down with me after week 3 or so..

Personally, I wouldn't take HCG.

But some would suggest you run it in place of the Clomid for PCT, especially after a cycle that included Deca.

You would run it for 3 weeks at 500iu/day, perhaps with some Aromasin too, 20mgs/day for 4 weeks.

Why no clomid? Why not just add in the HCG?

[sixxer]

I would run some kind of liver detoxifier (such as Liv52) too. Running some hawthorne berry, celery seed, grape seed, and NAC wouldn't hurt either..



6-8 weeks of clen with no ketofin? The effects usually taper down with me after week 3 or so..



Why no clomid? Why not just add in the HCG?

Yeh if the effects are noticeably decreasing, usually around week 3-4, he can take some ketotifen or benadryl at night for a week. This should restore receptor function. Just didn't mention it, it may or may not be required, but probably should have pointed it out. Thanks.

In regards to no Clomid...

Why don’t we use Clomid, another SERM? Well, basically because it takes much more to do the same thing. In comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but Nolvadex also has the added benefit of significantly increasing the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRH (LH-releasing hormone) (6). This most likely indicates some kind of upregulation of the LH-receptors due to the anti-estrogenic effect Nolvadex has at the pituitary. Although both Nolvadex and Clomid are both SERMs, they are actually quite different. As you already know, Nolvadex is highly anti-estrogenic at the hypothalamus and pituitary, while Clomid exhibits weak estrogenic activity at the pituitary (7), which as you can guess, is less than ideal. It should be avoided for the PCT I’m suggesting…and in fact, avoided in general…it’s simply not as good as Nolvadex.

Need I even add that the 150mgs of Clomid you need to get the hormonal increase experienced with 20mgs of Nolvadex is much more expensive? So lets dump the Clomid…and no, using it along with Nolvadex will provide no “synergy” that I’ve ever seen in any relevant study.

[freakinhuge]

I prefer to use both clomid and nolva for pct. And definitely use keto with clen, it will help a bunch.