Pinning for weeks just to get a 2-3 week window?

[SomeRandomGuy]

When I read posts related to; "When will my Test E kick in", I see that most people say 5-6 weeks. And when you read Ronnie Rowland's thread he says make all cycles 8 weeks, as gains diminish after this point. So unless you're gonna stay on and put your nuts in a vise, your window of peak gains is only 2-3 weeks on a an 8 week cycle. According to Ronnie, you'd have to up the dosage past that point to see more growth, and it's inadvisable because of sides.

This is kind of a small window! I plan on PCT'ing and coming off, so for my first cycle I'll probably run 12 weeks. At least then I can keep my size for a little while longer before it all goes back to normal. I wish there was a way to determine if you were genetically inclined to recover natural test well after juicing for long durations. Ronnie says, "this cannot be known for certain..." Well shit, I have a feeling once I get jacked I'm not gonna want to come off.

Just kept thinking 8 week cycle of test e gives 2-3 weeks of gains, then pct and lose it, then wait 8 weeks or more, then pin for 5-6 weeks to get your 2-3 weeks of pump, then lose it all again...

What a psychological self mind**** too...

[lovbyts]

I dont know if I would believe everything I read, even from Ronnie. Most people recommend 12 week cycle and it starting to kick in at week 4. Week 8 might be the peak but I dont think it drops much until after 12, then the returns are diminishing.

[laduem88]

yea thats what i was thinking for 8 weeks with long esters...id say 10 weeks would be perfect. and 6-8 weeks for short esters
just my 2 cents

[Someguy123]

either way, i dont understand people who say they have a short window like this?? your window, is the amount of weeks you inject for. but with long esters, it just shifts that 8 weeks you inject for, to being 3-4 weeks after your first shot, until 3-4 weeks after your last shot. either way, if you are injecting for 8 weeks, you will have an 8 week window of gains.

and in that case, it makes no sense to me to run your cycle longer, because of using a long ester. Ronnie is right, you dont see a lot of gains after 8 weeks generally. that being the 8 weeks your test is active for. so if im using test E, ill just time the other drugs im using to start when my test becomes more active. so if i was using d-bol with it, i would just start the d-bol 2 weeks after my first shot.

[ninesecz]

4-5 weeks is just when the testosterone levels reach a high enough level to reallystart to produce hardcore gains. The testosterone is still in your system after the 1st injection and will start to yield strength and weight gains in some way from about week 3. on top of it, Enanthate and cypionate have a 2+ week active life. So even if you do run the cycle for 8 weeks, you will still keep getting results from the compound for about 2 weeks past that = 10 weeks. So all in all, even on an 8 week cycle, you would yield gains for close to a full 8 weeks when all said and done. Just do what most peeps do and just run the cycle for 10 weeks even. no longer no shorter if you eat and train right you should see some amazing results