TRT for hiv

[unkas]

What are the forums thoughts on trt for those who have HIV? Would the doses be the same or perhaps slightly higher due to the fact so many HIV positive males suffer from low or borderline low test? I believe it should be a part of a male patients wellness regimen to treat the disease. I guess my main question is what advice on incorporating trt into an HIV positive males life can you folks offer? Thanks.

[pittbulldad]

most of the studies relate to TRT/HRT and how they affect HIV+ people.. I would say you would definitley need to talk to a doctor before doing anything..

take a look at Anavar it has a specific study about this

[Vettester]

Administered and monitored by a good doc, I can't see why someone with HIV wouldn't explore this.

No need to let the body deteriorate when modern science can help. Again, a good doc is the key, especially with a condition like HIV. Someone who will know how various HRT compounds will interact with other meds and some background to provide an accurate prognosis is the ticket.

BTW, welcome to the forum!

[unkas]

Administered and monitored by a good doc, I can't see why someone with HIV wouldn't explore this.

No need to let the body deteriorate when modern science can help. Again, a good doc is the key, especially with a condition like HIV. Someone who will know how various HRT compounds will interact with other meds and some background to provide an accurate prognosis is the ticket.

BTW, welcome to the forum!

Thanks for the welcome. Yes I agree I think that trt should be a part of an HIV wellness regimen. It is a shame so many in the medical community have been lured into the nonsense arguments over AAS. Heaven forbid an HIV pos person has restored sex drive, better mood, increased appetite and lean gain of muscle mass. Most HIV treatment protocols call for the patient to have blood work done along with doctor office visits every 3 to 4 months anyway. There is some interesting info in this area of the forum that I find helpful.

[ecsaaron]

I think that HGH is part of the proto call for HIV..There was an article I read somewhere where there were people with HIV selling their HGH when they leave the clinic in miami.Guys from the gym had a good supply going that got busted.

[Vettester]

I think that HGH is part of the proto call for HIV..There was an article I read somewhere where there were people with HIV selling their HGH when they leave the clinic in miami.Guys from the gym had a good supply going that got busted.

Hope it wasn't some federal assisted program that was paying for these meds!

[flybynight]

HGH is definitely used for AIDS-wasting defense... its right there on the product inserts!

[RAMWolff]

I joined this forum in hopes that there was a positive bit of input to those of us that live with HIV. I have no problems stating that. I've been HIV POZ for over 25 years. At one point I had to go on Test and Deca to reverse the effects of wasting. Now over 10 years later and off of roids for over 8 I'm experiencing this again, it's slowly doing it's damage but now there is more open discussion around this so it feels safe bringing this back to the table.

I'm a very active member of Facebook and have a friend named Joe that works with HIV POZ guys and has them on a stack of Test, Tren and Sust. I can probably get my doctor to give me the Test either at the clinic or do the injections myself (like I used to do) but not sure if he would be willing to look into Trenbolone or Sus (which I have no idea what that is, I asked Joe and am waiting on his response).

To be truthful I'd be willing to go to the black market if I needed to, my health and well being are a hell of a lot more important to me than some stupid laws that prevent folks from getting what they need in order to live healthy and happy lives. Kinda like the whole mess around weed. Mother nature provides it, it was George Washington's highest selling crop and yet MAN controls it and keeps it from folks that actually NEED it for it's medicinal qualities.

So any advice for me would be greatly appreciated.

I do supplement with vits and herbs for liver and body health as well as Total EFA and FLaxseed and Olive Oils. I use Universal Gains (Strawberry) and Chocolate Mint from Syntha-6 as my non bloat protein and weight gain powders. I eat a pretty good diet but it's a simple diet so I know i need to step that up quite a bit....

I think that's all for now.. gotta go to work now ....

Best,
Richard

[Vettester]

Hey Richard, welcome to the site and good luck.

If you get a chance, look into to Anavar as you're weighing out your options.

I would imagine that you wouldn't have too much trouble getting these types of meds, but then again the medical industry is full of surprises. I'm sure we can point you towards some good anti-aging clinics that would talk with you if all else fails.

I bet George Washington would be taking HGH, Cyp, & Deca to help his gum tissues if he were alive today! Our Governor would be his source!

[PC650]

ramwolff we are from the same city.. good too see locals on here. good luck with everything

[RAMWolff]

Hey thanks guys for the warm welcome. That's very nice of y'all!

So PC, your in Redwood City?? Cool!

So answer me this. These orals work?? I ordered the Deca 200, 2 for 3 deal. I hope I'm not going to regret that purchase but I was getting desperate about some sort of a solution for this before it went too far and hey, if the orals work I'm cool with it, saves me injections into my precious skin! lol

and yea, Ryder .... it is disgraceful how our society treats folks that are different from themselves. I've been on this earth for well over 49 years and I never have backed down from an ignorant statement in my life. Someone starts badmouthing for the wrong reasons or out of ignorance I speak up regardless of the consequences. I've been fortunate that most of the time the information I impart is taken well.

Best to you all...

[cherrydrpepper]

So answer me this. These orals work?? I ordered the Deca 200, 2 for 3 deal.

If you mean from ***********.com those are not real steroids they are some kind of herbal supplement marketed to look like steroids and generally thought to be near worthless. Most peoples reaction at this is anger followed by asking where they can get real gear but that is against the rules of the forum to ask how to get some or how much they cost. It took me a while to get a source don't give up if it doesn't happen overnight.

There is a documentary called Bigger Stronger Faster about steroids and in it they interview a man who has hiv. Its a brief part of the documentary maybe 5 minutes of good footage but its something I would want to check out in that situation. From what I recall he says a couple of lines about how Anavar have really helped him.

[lovbyts]

I joined this forum in hopes that there was a positive bit of input to those of us that live with HIV. I have no problems stating that. I've been HIV POZ for over 25 years. At one point I had to go on Test and Deca to reverse the effects of wasting. Now over 10 years later and off of roids for over 8 I'm experiencing this again, it's slowly doing it's damage but now there is more open discussion around this so it feels safe bringing this back to the table.

I'm a very active member of Facebook and have a friend named Joe that works with HIV POZ guys and has them on a stack of Test, Tren and Sust. I can probably get my doctor to give me the Test either at the clinic or do the injections myself (like I used to do) but not sure if he would be willing to look into Trenbolone or Sus (which I have no idea what that is, I asked Joe and am waiting on his response).

To be truthful I'd be willing to go to the black market if I needed to, my health and well being are a hell of a lot more important to me than some stupid laws that prevent folks from getting what they need in order to live healthy and happy lives. Kinda like the whole mess around weed. Mother nature provides it, it was George Washington's highest selling crop and yet MAN controls it and keeps it from folks that actually NEED it for it's medicinal qualities.

So any advice for me would be greatly appreciated.

I do supplement with vits and herbs for liver and body health as well as Total EFA and FLaxseed and Olive Oils. I use Universal Gains (Strawberry) and Chocolate Mint from Syntha-6 as my non bloat protein and weight gain powders. I eat a pretty good diet but it's a simple diet so I know i need to step that up quite a bit....

I think that's all for now.. gotta go to work now ....

Best,
Richard

This is the part that really interest me. I was actually thinking about this the other day. There are 1000s of bogus worthless vitamins on the market today.
You would think that doctors or people living with HIV would have a good resources/list of GOOD vitamins that actually work and are absorbed by the body and not just passed through.

Any thoughts on this?

[RAMWolff]

Well, I guess the oral roids I ordered will do my little good then. Lesson learned, I'll find out when the arrive. Oh, I wanted to add. The buy steroids dot com link is offered on the main page of this very forum so if they are selling a fake product then, as far as I'm concerned, they should be made to list the ingredients and say right out that these are not real esp considering the money they ask per bottle. Never paid that much for over the counter products or supplements in my life.

As for the supplements I take I am very careful to shop for brands that are of the highest quality. Jarrow is gay owned and operated by a very picky man. If he doesn't like the quality he will send the bulk back to the people he got it from and will refuse payment. He's a no holds barred man that believes in quality products for good prices. I also have been using Source Naturals and some of the Solaray products. Garden of Life produces very high end products and they have gone RAW with their last new line offering. I buy their Vitamin Code RAW and their Perfect Food RAW (I'm horrible about eating vegetables so the Perfect Food fills in what I don't eat nutrient wise). I buy Trader Joes Total EFA as oil is oil in my book and it's quality from what I've been told. Same with the Flaxseed oil.

So back to the AAS... so besides a doctor there are no other options out there I guess that are good and reliable? Hmmm, must be. Your welcome to PM me if you know. I'm still waiting on Joe to get back to me, must be busy I guess....

[unkas]

Hey Ram I find it interesting that you stated that the wasting slowly returned. I think I agree with those in the medical field that state this is the number one threat to those with HIV. My doctor has discussed the use of test enhancement or TRT but he admits he is not well versed in it but nonetheless I choose to remain with him because he has been my physician for so long. Going back to my original thread my question is what amounts of test replacement have HIV folks found to be ideal? And for those on the forum not poz what amount would they suggest? And specifically for those with HIV is TRT something that needs to be halted, so called cycled off? Thanks all.

[RAMWolff]

When I was on it the first time I cycled off and on just a like someone that bodybuilds. I can't remember off hand how much I would pull into the syringe. One of the reasons for cycling is that you want to give your body an opportunity to rev it's own hormones back up. I think if you don't do it right you can halt your own and that would not be a good thing. One of the reason why I liked Deca was that it was less "wild" in the body with more favorable results over Test which can create undesirable results like bitch tits and variable mood swings (I had some pretty bad days when I was on test, ask my rl friends ... on second though, no don't .. lol )

[unkas]

Funny stuff Ram. Good to see you post on here. I am beginning to use testosterone as part of my wellness regimen and appreciate this forum because it gives solid advice.

[RAMWolff]

:-) Glad I could lighten your spirit there. Trust me, at the time it wasn't so funny! lol

[RAMWolff]

Well, the Deca 200 arrived today. I took one and if this stuff is fake it's having a very good effect on my body. Here are the ingredients:

3 caps provide:
Vitamin B 6 - 5 MG
Vitamin B1 50 Mcg's
3.2 Nandeconate 200Mg
and then a proprietary blend of other stuff, 750 Mg. of:
beta-hydroxybutyrate
Magnesium
Zinc
and one other long ingredient that I can' read without a magnifying glass. Damned eyes! lol

About an hour after ingesting it I found my arms vascularity increased by quite a bit, when I was younger I was the most vascular boy walking around as I got older it decreased and in the past couple of years FLAT, none except in my hands when there down by my side and the tops of my feet. I also noticed my mood positivity increased as well as my appetite, I'm very hungry now. Energy is also way up. So if this is a fake, this works for me for right now!

[RAMWolff]

Wow, only 16 more posts and I can access my own profile! lol seriously weird rule! lol

[Vettester]

Ram, easy on that Deca 200!

The proprietary ingredients are: Thousand Islands & Mayo (Don't tell them that it was me that told you).

[RAMWolff]

Your funny there Mr.

I checked out the ingredients on line and the main one, the 3.2-Nandeconate (beta-hydroxy methyl-butyrate, Eurycoma Longifolia) I guess really isn't the real deal after getting home I looked up the tiny print under the 3.2 Nandeconate and found that one is an herb and one is called for short HMB but not sure what it does but it's used as a performance supplement for weight lifters. Hey, this pill can supplement what my doctor will give with the Test injections I'm all for it. Probably won't buy it again but it's cool. Lesson learned for sure. lol

So the full set of ingredients is:

3 caps provide:
Vitamin B 6 - 5 MG
Vitamin B1 50 Mcg's
3.2 Nandeconate 200Mg
Proprietary blend of other stuff, 750 Mg. of:
hydroxy methyl-butyrate
Eurycoma Longifolia
Carnosine
Magnesium
Zinc

[Vettester]

Damn, all I got with mine is just plain old nandrolone decanoate.

[RAMWolff]

Yea, PM me with the place you got yours. I don't want no damned Mayonnaise in my body! ;-)

[unkas]

So Ram if i may ask what protocol are you on right now? Are you taking HIV meds and what sort of TRT are you following? For those that are poz would the dosage be slightly more than those that are not? For example a non hiv poz male may be taking 150mgs weekly trt so would an HIV poz male have a slightly higher dose? I ask because it seems wasting is a concern for HIV poz folks and so many studies have shown that HIV negatively impacts a males test any way.

[RAMWolff]

Really no diff.

My HIV meds are Truvada, Norvir and Rayataz, once a day in the evening.

My doctor just had my blood work don't yesterday so he's going to check to see if I'm low. My last draw was saying I wasn't low but he's open to at least a topical Testosterone patch or cream. I don't like Androgel as it irritates the skin but I hear there is a cream now and that he is very interested in knowing about not just for me but for other patients. Anyone know the brand names so I can pass that on to him??

[unkas]

Thanks for the response Ram. Im on a one a artripla. I am starting my Trt and my doctor is going to monitor me. I prefer the injectable way and I will see how it goes. 200mgs weekly. I dont drink smoke or do drugs and stay fit. I eat clean and am a firm supporter of the Animal Pak brands(the standard pack,omega,and flex.) I will keep you posted. Im a newbie here so can pm folks yet. Soon though. I appreciate your response.

[RAMWolff]

My, you sound like a soul mate. Good luck with all that dude. My doctor is moving away from injectables so I will either have to go all the way up to SF and hire a doctor up there to that will do my bidding or go the black market but it seems I'm not getting any direct response from any of my new sources, all busy with their own stuff to even get an answer out of anyone as to where to go, who to ask or what to do. At least I know where my doc stands on this, he's willing but only topical it seems! :-(

[RAMWolff]

Hmmm, still need a brand name of a testosterone steroid cream. I've Googled this but it not very forthcoming with an answer about that.... If anyone know can you please post a name for me. You don't have to supply a link or anything but I don't know what I'm looking for brand wise or exact name of such a thing... I tried transdermal cream .... pages and pages but no brand name offered~

[RAMWolff]

OK, found the info on this page:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=367483

Still no brand name though, I guess it's gotta be mixed up at the pharmacy?

[unkas]

Ram do any of your poz friends also use test along with diet nutrition and meds to stay well with HIV? I ask because many folks I have met that are poz have familiarity with test and tell me it is definitely worth my while.

[RAMWolff]

I know a few folks that use Testosterone therapy but don't about their other upkeep for better health, as in supplements or exercise. I only know what works best for me. Keep in mind, everyone is different and everyone's approach to better health, body mind and spirit, is going to be different. I tell folks to take an ACTIVE approach to this as a doctor is only going to have so much advice and most of the time it's going to be around Allopathic medicine since that's how they are trained (I call it brainwashed but that's just me). I studied Naturopathic medicine for a couple of years because that was the road I was headed in before my own health took a nose dive for a few years and trust me, most of what my own doctor wanted me to do was the wrong direction so I started applying what I had learned to my own body and it worked out just fine. To this day he loves my blood work but realizes I take an approach he would not normally recommend.

[calgarian]

Well, the Deca 200 arrived today. I took one and if this stuff is fake it's having a very good effect on my body. Here are the ingredients:

3 caps provide:
Vitamin B 6 - 5 MG
Vitamin B1 50 Mcg's
3.2 Nandeconate 200Mg
and then a proprietary blend of other stuff, 750 Mg. of:
beta-hydroxybutyrate
Magnesium
Zinc
and one other long ingredient that I can' read without a magnifying glass. Damned eyes! lol

About an hour after ingesting it I found my arms vascularity increased by quite a bit, when I was younger I was the most vascular boy walking around as I got older it decreased and in the past couple of years FLAT, none except in my hands when there down by my side and the tops of my feet. I also noticed my mood positivity increased as well as my appetite, I'm very hungry now. Energy is also way up. So if this is a fake, this works for me for right now!

ummm who are u?? r u for real?

[RAMWolff]

Yea, I'm for real. Are you??

If you read down a little further you would have seen the rest of my posts realizing it's all fake shit. I've learned my lesson, no need to be snarky