(submmited the question but cant find it so im rewriting it again): in my country I only have access to these 4:anadrol,dianabol,winstrol,anavar. Without a testosterone base can one do these upperstated? Cant obtain pcts. Some here do 50/mgs anadrol + 50/mgs winstrol together daily divided in two parts (25mgs each) with meals for short 2 week on/off cycles and it seems to work well with good size + moderate water retention with minimal sides. Two orals are not optimal but dont have access to injectables now. 30 years old, regular training, 80 kilos, goal to bulk up 15 kilos theoretically. Win+adrol together with no pct? Can get bloodwork done,Is this possible? If not how can the upperstated 4 orals be incorporated into a healthy cycle with limited options?