Conditioning/Mass cycle for beginner

[esruonp]

Hi guys,

I'm trying to put together a cycle for my brother. I have previously used quite basic cycles such as straight dbol only or dbol, sust and deca.

His requirements are a little different:

- He is holding a bit too much bodyfat and he's keen to lean up a bit,

- Would like as much muscle gain as possible but the above is priority,

- He'd ideally like to just use one oral only if possible. He's not set against shots but if he could get good gains on just one type of oral that'd be great,

- He competes in a drug tested sport from time to time but probably won't until November/December so clearance times are not a massive issue at the moment but he'd obviously want to avoid options with more than a couple of months detection time,


The options I'd thought of are:

Andriol
Anavar
Oral Winnie

Could you get away with running a cycle of just one of these? Especially since it's his first cycle? Would he see significant gains over, say, 8 weeks?


If I were to stack with a shot I was think one of those with either:

Test Prop
Winnie
or Primobolan depot


Any thoughts on this guys?


Do you think he'd need to run nolva alongside these during the cycle? and if so which would need and which would not?


I know this is slightly OT but are there any special considerations you guys would take regarding PCT after such a cycle? I'm a little concerned with, what seems to be, a relatively long detection time for HCG and little or no info for Clomid, Nolva, Aromasin etc. Any thoughts on this also greatly appreciated.

Thanks guys.

[Jahcuree]

Anavar -60mg/day (30am, 30pm),
Milk Thistle (7weeks)

PCT-clomid 100/50/50/50

In my opinion. but before any of that is done WORK ON HIS DIET

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94756

[hit me]

the orals will be a big waste of time if his body fat is too high ,he may get some strenth but the the naked eye not much will change ,he would be far better off getting diet down to a T ,once his body fat fat is down to around 10-12% then he can run a anavar cycle ,this will give him the best possable results,i am a firm beliver in haveing a low body for the use off aas ,the results are alot better .

[russiandave]

What are "your brothers" stats

[AlphaMaleDawg]

we need his age, height, weight, and approx bf %

and your suggestions to him are not very good except anavar and test prop

[AlphaMaleDawg]

double post

[esruonp]

23 y.o.a.

Bodyfat is relatively high...I'm guessing maybe 18-20%

Weight...~110kg

Height - ~6'1"

About 2 1/2 years training background. Good lower body muscle mass, upper body muscle mass is ok but could do with a little more.

Appreciating the advice guys...keep it coming!

[AlphaMaleDawg]

his bodyfat is too high to be taking steroids. I suppose anavar only would be the exception to this rule in a way. Honestly though he should lose weight naturally before he starts a cycle

[esruonp]

I understand what your saying guys but am I not right in saying that AASs will assist in improving body comp? He has no intention of competing in bodybuilding...more in strength sport...he would just like something to help gain a little muscle mass, drop a little more fat and gain a little more strength.

Anavar seems to be the way to go. Generally ok on its own in a cycle or worth stacking with anything else?

Nolva needed or not?

Other thoughts on PCT?

[Matt]

I understand what your saying guys but am I not right in saying that AASs will assist in improving body comp? He has no intention of competing in bodybuilding...more in strength sport...he would just like something to help gain a little muscle mass, drop a little more fat and gain a little more strength.

Anavar seems to be the way to go. Generally ok on its own in a cycle or worth stacking with anything else?

Nolva needed or not?

Other thoughts on PCT?

If his bf% is on the high side then he runs a much higher risk of estrogen related side, gyno, bloat high blood pressure ect ect..

A clean diet and the correct training will give him better results at this time without the risks of unwanted sides...

[esruonp]

How do all the Strongmen and Powerlifters with very high BF %s get away with it then?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

How do all the Strongmen and Powerlifters with very high BF %s get away with it then?

this is a valid point IMO, but it doesn't change what 007 said. Sure he can cycle, but he should be aware that it is riskier in his case. just my 2 cents. anavar only I think would be a good choice if he is going to cycle. Test-prop too but his chances of gyno COULD potentially increase

[esruonp]

Thanks buddy....I appreciate the advice.

You know what it's like with family...you wanna get it right. I'd just rather I helped him with decent, low to moderate risk advice than someone else and have him end up on Oxy 50 or something!