finding my limits... smart and young... wants to prepare 4 roids

[j-web36]

Hey forum, new here first post though I've read quite a bit. I have a few questions regarding me personally and want to hear some honest opinions.

I'm 19 years old and before people start talking about my age I don't plan on starting a cycle for at least a year or two.

Here's my fitness history:
-Been active my whole life, longtime football player, wrestler, and distance runner.
-Started lifting the summer going into 11th grade to prepare for varsity football. Weighed 140 lbs and was 5'8
-Currently weigh 162 and am 5'9
-Low bodyfat percentage (not sure of the number but when i was tested for wrestling it was always around 12% probably about that now)

Current Diet and Supplementation Program
1st Meal-eggs, oatmeal, milk, 5 grams creatine monohydrate, multi vitamin, vitamin C, chromium picolinate, magnesium, fish oil, calcium
2nd Meal-tuna fish and either brown rice or whole wheat pasta
1st Snack- nuts (walnuts and/or almonds)
pre workout- Jack3d, 5 grams creatine monohydrate
post workout- whey protein shake in milk
2nd Snack- fruit (pineapple, banana, and/or watermelon)
3rd Meal- fish, chicken, or steak and salad and steamed vegetables (brocoli or spinach usually)
3rd Snack-whey protein shake before bed

Been following this loosely for a few months and VERY VERY VERY strictly for a month. I get 6-9 hours of sleep a night, spend about an hour a day in the gym, 45 minutes hard lifting. I eat so clean and so much and sleep a lot i dont understand why im not making gains maybe someone can show me some flaws in my program but i feel like i cant possibly be more dedicated.

Fitness Program
Day 1: Chest and Triceps
Day 2: Back and Biceps
Day 3: Legs and Shoulders
Day 4: Rest day (light cardio and stretching all outside of the gym I skip the Jack3d but take the creatine and the "post workout" shake)

I do 10 minutes light cardio after each lifting session and then spend 5 minutes in the sauna. I work my abs every other day alternating between doing it at the beginning and the end of my main workout for the day. I switch up the lifts I use too often to really put them on here but the staples of my workout tend to be this (I'll give the one exercise per body part that I'm basically guaranteed to do each time I hit the gym)

Chest- Incline Bench
Triceps- Skull Crushers
Back- Deadlift
Biceps- Hammer Curls
Legs- Squat
Shoulders- Dumbbell Front Raise

More or less everyone I talk to says my program is great and to just keep following it. But i am planning ahead that if i don't get the body i want and the body i feel i deserve in 6months-2 years (depending on my patience) i am going to cycle something, like maybe an oral steroid or something to push me past this plateau. I know my size is not impressive to serious lifters but consider the fact that I am a naturally very thin and small boned person and it was incredibly difficult for me to reach this point. I AM NOT A KID LOOKING FOR A QUICK FIX. I believe strongly in hard work but it's getting depressing seeing all the sacrifices I make (strict diet, no alcohol, going to sleep early, lifting hard) and see other people make better gains due to genetics. i feel like i need an edge that steroids may be able to provide.

My goals are to maybe gain 10-15 lbs of muscle and lose 3 or 4 lbs of fat or at least not put any on.


Okay so you have my nutrition and fitness program i've been following you have my background, physical stats and my goals. what am i doing wrong? feel free to ask any more questions about me or what i do i wasnt sure how detailed to get.


A huge thank you to anyone who read all this and a bigger thank you to anyone who feels like posting some impressions or questions or advice.

[InknSteel]

Nice first post man. Anyway, I would recommend eating a bit more. If your trying to put on some weight/muscle you are def not eating enough (just going by your diet without amounts & macros) You should be around 6 quality meals a day. On your workout, are you taking days off in between or just lifting 4 days straight? Don't forget you grow on your off days, give those muscles some time to recoup. As for your idea of an oral only cycle, I would advice against that when you do decide to cycle. Best first cycle would be a test ent or cyp only for 10-12 weeks. Stick around and do some more research, ask more questions and check out the diet and training sections of the forums. Also keep in mind the recommended age to start aas is 24+. You risk lifelong damage to your natural test production amongst other issues if you cycle too young. You got a good base and good head on your shoulders, get that diet right, take advantage of your naturally high test and keep training and in a year or two I would bet you won't even need aas.

[supermanfw]

add 2 8oz steaks

[breakbones]

Good first post!

[j4ever41]

i would recommend you do not cycle for 4-5 years,that might seem like a long time but in the realm of things it is not,educate yourself about nutrition as much as you can,learn it and live it,it will be what takes you the farthest not drugs,you are at a good age to make some damn nice natty progress over the next few years and before you do cycle 1 day research the hell out of it and know what you are putting in your body!

[supermanfw]

i would recommend you do not cycle for 4-5 years,that might seem like a long time but in the realm of things it is not,educate yourself about nutrition as much as you can,learn it and live it,it will be what takes you the farthest not drugs,you are at a good age to make some damn nice natty progress over the next few years and before you do cycle 1 day research the hell out of it and know what you are putting in your body!

the bold letters are the word of the wise^^.....always research especially the sides of the compound

[cyounger100]

drink a casien shake before bed not a whey shake

[j-web36]

Thanks for being so helpful and encouraging guys. this is a good forum. im just getting so frustrated by seeing people who eat like shit and/or dont work as hard as i do make crazy gains and even people that barely work out at all looking almost as good as me. i just need to keep going. and yeah i eat a lot (for me) but i do need to add even more. and i would take casein before bed but it gives me a stomach ache for whatever reason and makes it harder to fall asleep. sort of counterproductive.