Building big shoulders!

[jjfman]

So I've been doing the same shoulder routine for a while and am looking to switch it up pretty soon.
Here's what I do now

4 sets BB shoulder press - 10,8,8,6
4 sets DB front raise - 8,8,6,6
4 sets DB side raise - 8,8,6,6
5 sets BB shrug - 12,10,8,8,6
(I train rear delt on back day)

my goal is strength and mass so looking for a routine that is tailored in that area any input or critiscm on my current routine is welcomed.

[Gaspari1255]

Too much. Keep it short and sweet. 45 seconds- 1 minute rest between sets works best for Delts.

Here is what I would do:

4 Sets Seated DB Press: 6-8 reps
3 Sets Side Laterals: 10-12
3 Sets Upright Rows: 6-8 reps

I would also hit 6 sets for rear delts. A lot of people neglect that muscle group and put too much attention on the front delt. Front delt gets blasted through chest, no reason to really isolate it....thats my .02

[jjfman]

Alright man appreciated

i got that workout from fireguy and its worked well for me so far seen good results

[wharton]

So I've been doing the same shoulder routine for a while and am looking to switch it up pretty soon.
Here's what I do now

4 sets BB shoulder press - 10,8,8,6
4 sets DB front raise - 8,8,6,6
4 sets DB side raise - 8,8,6,6
5 sets BB shrug - 12,10,8,8,6
(I train rear delt on back day)

my goal is strength and mass so looking for a routine that is tailored in that area any input or critiscm on my current routine is welcomed.

3 sets BB shoulder press - 20,10,10,Fail
3 sets DB front raise - 10,10,Fail
3 sets DB side raise - 10,10,Fail
3 sets BB shrug - 20,10,10,Fail

I do similar to you but last set is always as many as i can if i get more than 10 i increase the weight. Workouts All deped on the person, your lucky if you can find one that suits you. Best to find one and use it as a guide to make your own. and lol at you asking for critisism and then when you get it putting it all on fireguy lol.

[LatissimusaurousRex]

I agree with the above that your front delts get blasted enough on your chest day. If you want to get stronger I would suggest using a 5x5 for your shoulder press. Then after that some lateral raises and upright rows. Shrugs will yield little results as far as getting your traps to pop out. If you want big traps do some heavy deadlifts, cleans/high pulls, and then knock out some shrugs.

[jjfman]

WOAAHH noo im not putting it on fireguy lol i just mean i got that workout off him and appreciated his help because that workout suited me alot and gave me great results.

Wouldnt going to fail just be overtraining my shoulders??

[LatissimusaurousRex]

Going to failure every time would be overtraining for some, but you just have to figure out what your body responds to the best.

[jjfman]

cool thanks alot man,

i changed all my training to rep range to between 10 and 6 with heavy weight as possible whilst keeping good form and i seem to have reacted well to that so im looking to keep at that kind of training for a while just changing up exercises

[stpete]

On occasion you could throw in some heavy DB presses and use the Smith Machine for higher reps and failure.

[Hazard]

Here's what I do and my shoulders are pretty meaty.....

Dumbell press - 3-4 sets
side laterals - 3 sets
front's - 3 sets
rears - 4 sets

For traps I do 2 sets of shrugs on the smith machine with the bar behind my ass and then 2 sets of shrugs with the bar infront. My traps stick up through all my shirts so i'd say they are great for building them.

~Haz~

[LatissimusaurousRex]

Here's what I do and my shoulders are pretty meaty.....

Dumbell press - 3-4 sets
side laterals - 3 sets
front's - 3 sets
rears - 4 sets

For traps I do 2 sets of shrugs on the smith machine with the bar behind my ass and then 2 sets of shrugs with the bar infront. My traps stick up through all my shirts so i'd say they are great for building them.

~Haz~

Have you considered that your meaty traps come from your deadlift?

I'm not as large as you, but mine jut out also. I rarely do shrugs; if I do them though I do them after DLs or cleans/snatches because I feel they get better owned that way. I also hear a lot that traps are largely genetic; however, I've always considered myself to be on the shallow end of the gene pool.

[wharton]

WOAAHH noo im not putting it on fireguy lol i just mean i got that workout off him and appreciated his help because that workout suited me alot and gave me great results.

Wouldnt going to fail just be overtraining my shoulders??

depends on the person, your diet and what chems your on at the time, I goto failure on the last sets of everything. you can always try it. Its not for everyone though.

[bigslick7878]

I do basically the same exact shoulder workout, don't see how that is overtraining at all.

I do...

10x8 shoulder press
10x6 side raise
10x6 front raise
25x4 shrugs

In about an hour.

[LatissimusaurousRex]

I do basically the same exact shoulder workout, don't see how that is overtraining at all.

I do...

10x8 shoulder press
10x6 side raise
10x6 front raise
25x4 shrugs

In about an hour.

That would be 2 and a half mins per set including rest time. With that kind of volume and pace on your shoulders you're either a beast among beasts or operating at a low intensity.

The volume alone could be classified as overtraining by many, but the question was if the sets were taken to failure would it be considered overtraining? And yeah if you take 24 sets to failure I don't think many will disagree that it's overtraining.

[csavage0]

I agree with the above that your front delts get blasted enough on your chest day. If you want to get stronger I would suggest using a 5x5 for your shoulder press. Then after that some lateral raises and upright rows. Shrugs will yield little results as far as getting your traps to pop out. If you want big traps do some heavy deadlifts, cleans/high pulls, and then knock out some shrugs.

Nothing makes my traps more sore than when I would do heavy cleans when I played football.

[bigslick7878]

That would be 2 and a half mins per set including rest time. With that kind of volume and pace on your shoulders you're either a beast among beasts or operating at a low intensity.

The volume alone could be classified as overtraining by many, but the question was if the sets were taken to failure would it be considered overtraining? And yeah if you take 24 sets to failure I don't think many will disagree that it's overtraining.

Every other minute sets with a 4 minute break in between exercises.

By the time I get to the end of each I can hardly do another rep, the intensity is there believe me.

I am far from a beast, but that is while I am on a PH cycle.

Not on anything it gets knocked down to about 18 sets over about 45 minutes.

[kameng_41]

for me i follow the pump, if i get pumped, i know i m somewhere.
like i do a max 12-15 reps of 3-4sets, so i lift weights that get me tired at 9 and continue to do 3-4 more reps with as good form.
also an occasional drop sets of 8 reps, 8reps for pump. hope it helps,
peace.

[shortybrolick]

I switch it up pretty often, this is one i like alot. Rep range up to you.

BB press 4 x
Arnold press 3 x
Side raise 3x
Rear delt movement 4x
High pull or Upright row 3x
Shrugs 4-5x

[jjfman]

cheers guys all appreciated

so ive come up with this routine, feel free to critique

DB Arnold press - 4 set 10,8,8,6
Cable Side lateral raise - 4 set 8,8,6,6
Upright Row - 3 set 8,8,6
BB shrug - 5 set 12,10,8,8,6

[LatissimusaurousRex]

cheers guys all appreciated

so ive come up with this routine, feel free to critique

DB Arnold press - 4 set 10,8,8,6
Cable Side lateral raise - 4 set 8,8,6,6
Upright Row - 3 set 8,8,6
BB shrug - 5 set 12,10,8,8,6

You'd prob want to sub the anrolds with good ole shoulder press, it really is gonna be your bread and butter for your shoulders. You wouldn't leave out bench press for your chest would you? Arnolds are good, but I'd do them after some beast shoulder presses first.

[jjfman]

Cool thanks man

[wanabeMASSIVE!]

Mine is like:

4 sets DB side raise - 10,10,10,10
4 sets DB shoulder press - 10,8,8,8
4 sets Cable Side lateral raise -10,10,10,10
4 sets BB shrug - 10,10,8,8,8
4 sets DB Rear - 10,10,8,8

Moderate weight except DB Press, Shrugs and DB rear i go heavy.

[Bossman]

For mass, seated barbell presses 8-12 reps. I do these in the smith machine. My gym does not have a decent seated setup so the smith has to do. Like has been said, press' should be the bread and butter of your shoulder workout IMO. Raises are nice, but fluff.