test prop and tren a cycle a few questions for you guys.

[tomt45]

I am 25 years old and have done 2 cycles prior to the one I will be starting soon. I am basically just following the layout this site has. I am going to run test prop at 100-150 mg eod. Is 100 enough or should I go with 150? I am also going to run tren a at 100 mg eod. The last 4 weeks I am going to run winstrol at 50mg a day.

I plan to run either .5mg of arimidex or 20 mg of nolvadex every day throughtout the cycle. Would you just recomend arimdex or is nolva ok? Also what exactly should I do for pct. In the past I have always run nolvadex througout the whole cylce then clomid three weeks after my last injection at 50-100mg a day. Usually this site lays out pct for their sample cycles. All this says is take .5 mg of arimdex a day and says nothing about pct.

One more question I was thinking about running masteron the last 7 weeks instead of winstrol. What do you guys recommend? Thanks a lot to whoever replies to this.

[etman]

More stats are needed
wt
ht
Bf%
what compounds did you use on your past cycles?

[tomt45]

Right now I am 5'8" and just under 180. I have been cutting so right now my bf% is probabley about 8-9%. I have cut a ton of bf in the last 2 months. I bulked up to 195 my last cycle and have lost nearly 20 lbs.

My first cycle I just ran Test cyp. at 500mg a week for 10 weeks. I also took 10-20mg of nolva a day and did clomid therapy for 3 weeks after my last injection.

I finished my second cycle about 8-9weeks ago. I ran dbol for the first 4 weeks at 30mg a day. Test cyp 500mg a week. Deca 400 mg a week. I did this cycle for a total of 12 weeks. I also took 20 mg of nolva every day throughout the cycle and clomid therapy 3 weeks after.

Overall I feel I have gotten great results from my prior two cycles. I plan to bulk for the next 6-8 weeks while i am off everything. Then I plan to start this cycle, ideally I would like to gain 15 lean lbs and cut my bf% down some more.

One more question. Is 12 weeks long enough to wait before I start my next cycle. Or should I wait more like 16 weeks?

Thanks in advance for any responses I am relatively new to this so I would appreciate any advice. Let me know if you need any more info.

[cobra305]

age?

[Knockout_Power]

I am 25 years old .

he mentionned it

[Knockout_Power]

To the OP, I think you are a little small for 2 previous cycles, but with that being said... if this is your first run with test/tren, drop the other compounds, you will surely like this cycle as is. Your doses are good, I personally like to 100EOD of each, some will say up the test but I dont find the need to.

Save your money, stick to the 2 compounds.

[cobra305]

my bad, that being said I am on a prop tren cycle and am getting good results with 100mg of prop and 50mg of tren ed. I am on week 3 and so far have yet to see any sides besides only getting 4-5 hrs of sleep a night.

[dec11]

im on the same cycle350mg prop and 350mg tren a, with exception of an added 250mg test e pw, and gains are way beyond wat i thought possible, was on the prop 6wks and intro'd the tren just over a week ago, strength is soaring and i have no sides with the tren ( i was afraid of it after things id read here)

[cobra305]

^ agree the gains are way beyond my expectations.

[tomt45]

Thanks everybody. Yeah I am kind of small yet for doing 2 cycles. But I look like a completely different person than I did 2 years ago before I started working out again. I think I will just go with test prop and tren a at 100 mg eod. For now I will hold off on the winstrol/masteron.

Should I run .5mg of arimidex everyday or 20 mg of nolva during the cycle?

What exactly should i do for pct? Just clomid therapy a few weeks after my last injection?

Will my body be ready to start this cycle after only 12 weeks off from my last cycle?

Thanks again guys I appreciate all your responses

[etman]

I ran test/tren/Winnie last cycle. Your cycle and pct should look like this.
I prefer Ed injections
test p 75mg Ed week 1-8
tren A 50mg Ed week 1-8
Winnie 75-100 mg Ed week 6-8
you should have armidex on hand if any gyno side effect come up run at .25 mg eod
also you should have caber or prami for prolactin side effects with tren

PCT starts 4 days after last test inj
clomid 100mg Ed / nolva 40mg week one
clomid 50mg Ed / nolva 20mg weeks 2-4

time off between cycles should be the length of cycle plus pct so 12 weeks off
between the next cylce

[tomt45]

Thanks etman your response was really helpful. So you say that I don't necessarily need to run arimdex. Just have it on hand in case and if signs appear only do .25mg eod? That seems kind of low compared to what they recommend on this site.

[tomt45]

One more thing etman. Is it ok to do injections eod or would i be better off doing them ed?

[etman]

I just like pinning Ed I guess lol people say it keep the hormone levels in the blood more stable than eod injection.

If you know you are gyno prone then I would run the armidex throughout the entire cycle. If you are not then I would just have it around jus in case

It would probably be a good idea to run a low dose of 25-40 Mg of t3 because tren drains your t3

[tomt45]

Right on thanks man. So you say to run t3 througout the whole cycle. I have read that you should run t3 for a max of 6 weeks.

Also I don't know if I am necessarily gyno prone, I would just rather take precautions to prevent it. It only costs an extra 60 bucks or so and I think that it well worth it to not have man boobs.

You think 8 weeks is long enough for this cycle. This site says to run it for 12 weeks. But if I will achieve similar results at 8 weeks I would be better off doing that.

[etman]

With short esters the cycle should be 8-10 weeks because the effect of the compounds come faster.

T3 can be ran longer than 6weeks that low of dose should not do damage to your thyroid

[etman]

I guess you could run armidex at .50 mg
It works best for me at .25

[dec11]

you dont need ED injects, ive tried both and makes no diff, EOD is fine. just run anti e's if you need them

[tomt45]

I appreciate all the advice.

I think I am going to run test prop at 75mg ed and tren a at 50mg ed. The last 4 weeks I will add 50mg of winstrol ed. I think I will run it for a total of 10 weeks.

Also I will go with just .25mg of arimdex ed. and 25mg of t3 daily throughout the cycle. Depending how cut I get about 6 weeks into the cycle I may run clen for the last 2-3 weeks.

Then I will do what etman suggested for pct...
PCT starts 4 days after last test inj
clomid 100mg Ed / nolva 40mg week one
clomid 50mg Ed / nolva 20mg weeks 2-4

I will be starting this in about 4 weeks so I will post some pics before during and after. If anybody else has any advice or thinks I should change anything just let me know.

[etman]

That's a good cycle you will love it!!!!
My next one is
test p 75mg Ed
tren a 50mg Ed
masteron 50 mg Ed
weeks 1-8

[tomt45]

Awesome man. I was thinking about doing masteron instead of winstrol. Maybe the cycle after this one. I read that if you run masteron you don't even need anicillaries. It works to prevent estrogenic side effects.

I plan to bulk for the next few weeks. Ideally I would like to gain about 15 lbs from this cycle and lose 2-3% bf. If I could do that I would be a really solid 195 and that would be awesome. I also hope to increase my strength significantly.

Earlier you said "also you should have caber or prami for prolactin side effects with tren" Do you know of any sites I can read up on this. Honestly I have never heard of prolactin side effects.

[etman]

Awesome man. I was thinking about doing masteron instead of winstrol. Maybe the cycle after this one. I read that if you run masteron you don't even need anicillaries. It works to prevent estrogenic side effects.

I plan to bulk for the next few weeks. Ideally I would like to gain about 15 lbs from this cycle and lose 2-3% bf. If I could do that I would be a really solid 195 and that would be awesome. I also hope to increase my strength significantly.

Earlier you said "also you should have caber or prami for prolactin side effects with tren" Do you know of any sites I can read up on this. Honestly I have never heard of prolactin side effects.

I have never ran masteron before but you will still have to anc. Stuff on hand for the tren and test. Masteron is similar to Winnie but Withot the joint issues that Winnie brings.

If you go to the steroid profiles section i believe it will tell you all of the info you need on caber/prami and tren.

Where are you from bro?

[maximus05]

What up fellas... Im thinking about running the same cycle; test, tren, masteron... what are your thoughts on going with test enenthate vs prop or tren enenthate vs acetate, and how do you think it will affect the amount of gains you keep?

[etman]

What up fellas... Im thinking about running the same cycle; test, tren, masteron... what are your thoughts on going with test enenthate vs prop or tren enenthate vs acetate, and how do you think it will affect the amount of gains you keep?

I like short esters better. You don't have to wait as long for the gear to take effect also if you feel that you can't take the sides of tren yu can stop alot easier on a short ester. The amount of gains you keep is going to depend on your diet, pct and training.

[tomt45]

Thanks for all your help etman. I am from Eagan, MN, which is just a few miles south of Minneapolis and St Paul. Where you from?

Do you think I would get better results from masteron than winstrol. I havent ordered my gear yet so I can still change things up.

[etman]

I'm from Dallas Texas I sent you a message About the difference between Winnie and masteron but I think you have to have 25post to get it.

I haven't tried masteron. on the forum most people prefer it over Winnie just because Winnie drys out your joints which makes it kinda painful to lift.

[tomt45]

Hey man I sent you a message with my email. Just send it to that whenever you get a chance.

Im thinking about doing masteron for two reasons. First I don't want it to dry out my joints and effect my lifting. Second it is significantly cheaper. Masteron is like 50$ for 10 ml 100mg/ml and Winstrol is 50$ fro 10 ml 50mg/ml. So basically I could run masteron for 8 weeks for the same price I could run whinny for 4 weeks. But really the money isn't that big of an issue.

But I understand I am relatively new to this and don't want to rush into a cycle that I am not ready for.

[tomt45]

So would your suggest running caber/prami throughout the whole cylce. Or just have it on hand in case.

[etman]

Some of the vets might say different but I would have it just in case

[etman]

Hey man I sent you a message with my email. Just send it to that whenever you get a chance.

Im thinking about doing masteron for two reasons. First I don't want it to dry out my joints and effect my lifting. Second it is significantly cheaper. Masteron is like 50$ for 10 ml 100mg/ml and Winstrol is 50$ fro 10 ml 50mg/ml. So basically I could run masteron for 8 weeks for the same price I could run whinny for 4 weeks. But really the money isn't that big of an issue.

But I understand I am relatively new to this and don't want to rush into a cycle that I am not ready for.

You can't send messages on here untill you get 25 posts

[big_ron]

Hey man I sent you a message with my email. Just send it to that whenever you get a chance.

Im thinking about doing masteron for two reasons. First I don't want it to dry out my joints and effect my lifting. Second it is significantly cheaper. Masteron is like 50$ for 10 ml 100mg/ml and Winstrol is 50$ fro 10 ml 50mg/ml. So basically I could run masteron for 8 weeks for the same price I could run whinny for 4 weeks. But really the money isn't that big of an issue.

But I understand I am relatively new to this and don't want to rush into a cycle that I am not ready for.

you cannot talk prices!

[tomt45]

sorry bro, didn't know talking prices were a problem.

So here it is this is officially what I am going to do.

75mg test prop ed for 10weeks
50mg tren a ed for 10 weeks
50mg winstrol ed weeks 7-10
.25mg of arimidex ed
.25mg or prami ed
Then..
PCT starts 4 days after last test inj
clomid 100mg Ed / nolva 40mg week one
clomid 50mg Ed / nolva 20mg weeks 2-4

I just want to get one more thing clear, my last cycle I ran test cyp and deca for 12 weeks. I did my last injection 9 weeks ago. I finished pct 3 weeks ago. So does that mean I can safely start this cycle in 3 weeks or 9 weeks?

I have heard the time on+pct=time off

So would that mean 12weeks on+6weeks pct(completed 6 weeks after last injection although it only actually lasted 3 weeks)=18 weeks off

Or can I just go 12 weeks off from my last injection and start up again?

Thanks