test+deca cycle w/winny(inject) or tren...which would u do?

[MuscleMission]

hi guys, about to do my second actual stacked cycle (have done a few test only cycles). Not sure whether to stack deca+test with winny (injectable) or Tren? from research, it sounds like i would get similar results with winny or tren. but that winny injectable is pretty painful...and that Tren has more side effects (sweats, temperature, etc). any thoughts on the preferable one to stack?

age = 39
height = 5'11"
weight = 168lbs
body fat% = not sure
years training = 20+
planned pct = will do but haven't gotten to that stage of planning yet

[cobra305]

Learn to eat properly

[bjpennnn]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=344896
then once you have read that here

Diet
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516

[Big]

Learn to eat properly

yep, you need to fix your diet before cycling.
as for the cycle question, I don;t care for winny at all and tren is by far my favorite compound, but you shouldn't consider either yet, imo.

[juicyfruit71]

I don't have a lot of experience here, but from all that I've researched, it seems that Tren is for the big boys and should be used in advanced cycles. Winny is more of an intermediate cycle...and that seems to be where you're at.

I also gotta say...at 5'11" 168lbs...it seems to me that after 3 cycles you should be a little bigger than that. Are you eating and training properly? How much did you weigh before your first cycle?

[MuscleMission]

sorry, need to clarify....
my first cycle was 6 years ago (test/deca). put on about 20lbs--from 155lbs to 175lbs

2nd + 3rd subsequent cycles: were 3 yrs ago, 2 yrs ago (test only): was able to maintain weight of 180--good, lean muscle but trouble getting hard/vascular/ripped

this cycle, we'll call it the 4th for argument sake, would be stacked. this past year, i had 2 back injuries (herniated disk), lost my job, lost my home...a shitty, stressful year that obviously impacted the weight/muscle loss.

does this change ur answers at all?

[cobra305]

no aas are not a quick fix. start training and eating properly rebuild your base than think about it