getting overboard on overtraining theories

[NVR2BIG1]

I thought of something interesting tonight, most guys up until the 80's trained their bodyparts twice/wk. And they were using a fraction of the gear guys today are using. Now, if you take peptides and insulin out of the picture, would a competitor today really be that much larger than one 30 yrs ago? So do you guys think overtraining is getting too played out? I understand programs like DC and Heavy Duty work well for gains, but at what cost? You'd have to lose some of your conditioning as opposed to training more frequently

[oldschoolfitness]

you make a good point and even though i have been a fan of all the old school heavy duty work(have just currentley started the DC journey)i think the hd 2 and beyond stuff is a little too much. 3-4 days a week not over an hour is plenty and some cardio for the summer. but to each his own this is just what works for me.

[terraj]

DC and Heavy Duty are very different IMO.

DC is high frequency, where as heavy duty is low frequency.

[sean_holland]

I lift 6 out of 7 days a week, but only 1 major muscle group a day, and only for about 35-45 minutes. I have never noticed any over training in my routine.

[YoungGunsNY]

I lift 6 out of 7 days a week, but only 1 major muscle group a day, and only for about 35-45 minutes. I have never noticed any over training in my routine.

Hm, but your body needs some time to recover ... you wouldn't realize that you're overtraining until you cut your workouts and do less of something and notice more gains - then you'd notice it...

But the human body will adapt to 'over-training' if you do it for a period of time, however you won't gain as much muscle due to overworking it.

[Machdiesel]

IMO there's 2 types of HIT training, Low Frequency and High Frequency. I think a middle ground is perfect for most natural trainees. They will see explosive gains in Strength/Size. 2 that come to mind are the Iron Man HIT and DC. When it comes to putting on size theres no better way, It packs on mass the absolute quickest.

[quarry206]

I thought of something interesting tonight, most guys up until the 80's trained their bodyparts twice/wk. And they were using a fraction of the gear guys today are using. Now, if you take peptides and insulin out of the picture, would a competitor today really be that much larger than one 30 yrs ago? So do you guys think overtraining is getting too played out? I understand programs like DC and Heavy Duty work well for gains, but at what cost? You'd have to lose some of your conditioning as opposed to training more frequently

but at the same token.. body builders are bigger than they use to be, and much more full and less bodyfat... and powerlifters are stronger..

so in turn once a week is by your concepts proven better..

70's and 80's only guys that made it over 250 were 6'3 to 6'5''. heck in the early 80's you had more than one 190-200lb guys win. Cutler is 5'7'' and 280 - 290 at contest time. coleman was 5'11'' 285- 295. lee haney who was the champ of the 80's was 5'11'' 245lb. . . if in the best shape of their life Arnold and Haney if thrown magically into a show with todays body builders could not win a Mr O.

as far as strength you have more guys benching 450lb-500lb's and squating 600lb than ever before..

so there is prove without a study being done that the new idea's of training are better than the old.