I need some help from somebody with experience

[abraham23]

Hi everybody and thank you for taking a look at my thread

i am 23 years old
i weigh 78 kg
i'm 1.7 m tall
training for 7 years

i'm starting my first cycle within the next week

All i can get hold off for the next 3 months is

ethanate (testoviron 250)
dbol (5mg tabs)
and clomid

so with what i have available, i've created a cycle which is going to be my first cycle,
i need somebody to either revise or rewrite my cycle

here it goes (without PCT)

day 1 : 1 amp ethanate injection
day 2 : 20 mg dbol ( 10 in the morning 10 at night)
day 3 : 20 mg dbol ( 10 in the morning 10 at night)
day 4 : 20 mg dbol ( 10 in the morning 10 at night)
day 5 : 1 amp ethanate + 20 mg dbol
day (6-9) : 25 mg dbol (15 in the morning 10 at night)
day 10 : 1 amp ethanate + 25 mg dbol
day (11- 25) : 30 mg dbol (15 the mornong 15 at night)
ethantate on day 15, 20 and 25
day (26-30): 25 mg dbol (15 in the morning 10 at night)
ethantate on day 30
day (30 -35): 20 mg dbol ( 10 in the morning 10 at night)
day 35: my final ethanate injection


does this cycle sound reasonable?
what can be changed ?
when do i start my PCT?
do i take any clomid while on cycle?

[MuscleCommand]

For a first cycle, you can just go with the test. Also, this cycle sounds very brief. Not sure if you have more test than listed in your breakdown, but I would go with something 6-8 weeks long, pinning 1cc 2X a week. Begin the PCT 2 weeks after your last shot.

[lovbyts]

You are doing a 5 week cycle????

You need to read this.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

What are the rest of your stats such as body fat?

[abraham23]

You are doing a 5 week cycle????

You need to read this.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

What are the rest of your stats such as body fat?

hi, i have an 11% bodyfat composition

it seems as if 5 weeks are too short, what do you recomend then

[BiggerByTheDay]

Hi everybody and thank you for taking a look at my thread

i am 23 years old
i weigh 78 kg
i'm 1.7 m tall
training for 7 years

i'm starting my first cycle within the next week

All i can get hold off for the next 3 months is

ethanate (testoviron 250)
dbol (5mg tabs)
and clomid

so with what i have available, i've created a cycle which is going to be my first cycle,
i need somebody to either revise or rewrite my cycle

here it goes (without PCT)

day 1 : 1 amp ethanate injection
day 2 : 20 mg dbol ( 10 in the morning 10 at night)
day 3 : 20 mg dbol ( 10 in the morning 10 at night)
day 4 : 20 mg dbol ( 10 in the morning 10 at night)
day 5 : 1 amp ethanate + 20 mg dbol
day (6-9) : 25 mg dbol (15 in the morning 10 at night)
day 10 : 1 amp ethanate + 25 mg dbol
day (11- 25) : 30 mg dbol (15 the mornong 15 at night)
ethantate on day 15, 20 and 25
day (26-30): 25 mg dbol (15 in the morning 10 at night)
ethantate on day 30
day (30 -35): 20 mg dbol ( 10 in the morning 10 at night)
day 35: my final ethanate injection


does this cycle sound reasonable?
what can be changed ?
when do i start my PCT?
do i take any clomid while on cycle?

You plan on taking Test for 35 days? Thats what, 5 weeks? The test will just be kicking in by the time you stop injecting it. This means you are shutting yourself down for no reason. And 20mg dbol seems on the lower side as well but for a first cycle only one compound is recommended, and that is just test. However, I personally believe that you need to research more before thinking about cycling. What is your bodyfat percentage? Even at 23, your natty test levels are high. I bet some diet corrections would give you what you are looking for.

EDIT: Just saw that your at 11% bodyfat.

[G4R]

What are your goals?

Based on your posts, it seems you are not ready for a cycle. You need to do some more research first, and get your body to its maxium natural potential before you start using any steroids. Read all the stickies on the Q&A page, then check out the diet section for more help.

[lovbyts]

hi, i have an 11% bodyfat composition

it seems as if 5 weeks are too short, what do you recomend then

I recommend you take the mouse/pointer and click on the link I provided to you and read it. We are not big on having to supply bibs so you can be spoon feed but we are glad to point you the right direction so you can easily educate yourself.

[abraham23]

I recommend you take the mouse/pointer and click on the link I provided to you and read it. We are not big on having to supply bibs so you can be spoon feed but we are glad to point you the right direction so you can easily educate yourself.

yes officer


i was busy reading it, i thought i might just require some more personal help, since i was not trying to be spoon fed, i put up my proposed cylce and i was busy reafing all the links on the link you gave me
i think i will continue using ethanate for another 3 weeks
making it a total of an 8 week cycle

from what i read at other sources, 12 weeks is a bit too long as well for a first cycle esp at my age

so i think i'l go for 8 weeks test?
first 5 weeks dbol
start my pct during week 10

[G4R]

IMO 8 weeks is not long enough for a long ester Test. How about holding off until you are physically ready to run a cycle? Dont rush this. Be smart about it.

[BiggerByTheDay]

yes officer


i was busy reading it, i thought i might just require some more personal help, since i was not trying to be spoon fed, i put up my proposed cylce and i was busy reafing all the links on the link you gave me
i think i will continue using ethanate for another 3 weeks
making it a total of an 8 week cycle

from what i read at other sources, 12 weeks is a bit too long as well for a first cycle esp at my age

so i think i'l go for 8 weeks test?
first 5 weeks dbol
start my pct during week 10

Where did you read 12 weeks is too long? For a lot of people the test is kicking in around 6 weeks, even 7 or 8 for some, so your still limiting the results. And what do you mean "Esp at my age"? You're SHUTTING YOUR NATTY TEST DOWN so you are already possibly damaging your endocrine system with just 8 weeks. I strongly suggest doing a lot more research. Besides, I have a feeling your diet is what needs more work.

[abraham23]

What are your goals?

Based on your posts, it seems you are not ready for a cycle. You need to do some more research first, and get your body to its maxium natural potential before you start using any steroids. Read all the stickies on the Q&A page, then check out the diet section for more help.

i want to reach +/- 86kg with a 9% bodyfat composition

i've fine tuned my diet so many times in the last 7 years, i think i've reached my peak, my genetics have disallowed me from anything more, since i am already the biggets/strongest male memeber in my family from 7 years of hard training(we have poor genetics)

i started off at only 63 kg when i was 19, i am now 78 kg

i've eaten like a beast, been on every legal supplement around but for the last year my body just gave in, it won't grow more.

i think i am prepared to cycle

but i do realise that i do need to do more research as well.

[TITANIUM]

I have an issue with your age.

Ethanate is ran from 10 to 12 wks.

This post has been addressed correctly by the members above.

Education is key here.

Stick around, read up, and wait another year.

By then you will be giving advice and have the knowledge that you seek.

Best

T

[abraham23]

so should i rather run propionate,
if i run proprionate, will i be able to run the cycle for a shorter period of time?

[lovbyts]

You did not say you where reading the link provided so how am I to think any different? 90% of newbies tend to overlook any links given to them and expect all the information to be given to them one little bit at a time (spoon feed). You will understand if you stick around.

No, 8 weeks does not make it any better than a 10 or 12 week cycle due to your age. 1 week cycle is just as bad due to your age.

Please take the time to read this also.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=398146
Yes you like 99% of all members under 25 will think they are the exception to the rule but bottom line the choice/risk is yours to make.

[G4R]

Lets put the steroid stuff to the side for a moment. You said you have changed your diet numerous times to no avail? And your goals are basically to bulk? What is your current diet? Macros included...

[BiggerByTheDay]

so should i rather run propionate,
if i run proprionate, will i be able to run the cycle for a shorter period of time?

BTW, you have a lot of great help from some very experienced individuals in this forum. Take their advice.

[TITANIUM]

Thank lovbyts for helping you out with that link.

Marcus took some time to write that for all members to read.

There is much to learn young skywalker.....

Stick around and soak it up.

I still spend hours reading the Intel on this website.

I even look up very old posts and read the whole thread.

Best

T

[abraham23]

my most recent typical meal plan (following it for 5 months, it alternates every 3 days)

morning - 4 boiled eggs, cereal, milk, 3 sausages, a protein shake (40% protein)

10 am - another protein shake, peanuts, glass of milk

lunch - boiled pasta, steak, corn, milk

3 pm - tuna sandwich

supper - baked potatoes (about 2), 1/4 chicken (all white meat)

late(before bed) - protein shake, nuts, lota water





pre workout i usually carb load with creatine, post work out i include glutamine arginine and 100% whey

[abraham23]

ok, i guess i will wait a while and do research but i am a bit impatient a year seems to be too long, i'll be back in 2 months or so

[G4R]

Not a fan of your current diet.

Read this link first....
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=167282

Then check out this link (remember, this is just a example)
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010

There are things you need to work on to gain weight. Please, just start with your diet. Dont rush into steroids yet. Check out the links we gave you, and try to get a better diet going for at least a year before you start any steroids.

[BiggerByTheDay]

Your diet is your problem brother. Take this wonderful advice from these great vets. I'm living proof a diet is the key to growth. Hell, my father has been on steroids since his early 20's non-stop and even he is blown away at how fast I am blowing up naturally from just eating right. I mean sure, my diet is not perfect for some but for now it is working. However, it will quit working soon enough and I will have to adjust it accordingly. But steroids were not/is not my answer and it is neither yours as well. Good luck and tweek the diet bro and that weight will start going up. Peace.

[lovbyts]

ok, i guess i will wait a while and do research but i am a bit impatient a year seems to be too long, i'll be back in 2 months or so

A year is not long if you are not physically ready and why say you will be back in 2 months? Why not stay here and continue to learn? I have been here for several years now and dont plan on leaving just because Im not currently doing a cycle.

Stop thinking about only the short term gains but more about long term goals. If I looked at only the changes I mad in the last 2 or 3 moths I would constantly be disappointed but when I look back at 1, 2, 3 years ago Im VERY happy with my progress.

I like a quote someone said a while back and it has stuck with me. This is not a sprint, it is a marathon.