gains lost after cycle?

[ricky23]

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[HawaiianPride.]

Wow, really? Second cycle and your running nearly 2grams all together? Is your goal to become a future Mr. Olympian? Or are your just searching for ways to really damage yourself?

There is absolutely NO NEED to go that high this early. I've known guys cycling for over 5 years and swear by 500-600mg of Test and still continue to make gains.

Was your last cycle a failure so you decided to nearly double your dosage?

Anyways, damn bro, your methods are ****ed to say the least. First off, you should have had all your PCT on hand before you even had the gear. Too late for that. Second, 300mg of Clomid is ridiculous. Start with 150 or 100mg and go from there. Stack with another SERM and toss your HCG out keep that junk in your cycle.

And last but not least, if you decide to cycle again, (which I kinda hope you don't until you get your head straight on correct dosaging) start back down on 500mg of Test and throw in a kicker. With the right diet I guarantee you'll put on as much weight as you did while using nearly 2 grams.

And as far as the loss of gains, your diet probably sucked ass, along with the PCT.

Good luck.

[ricky23]

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[MotoLifter]

damn! thats alot of gear for a second cycle. but the pct could be the reason for the loss. or it could be your diet, or genetics, etc. I recently came off a cycle and kept about 70% of it but was only running 700mg test/500mg deca. but did lose about 7-8 lbs with clen. I went from 13% bf to 9% after pct, im sure some weight lost was muscle but most was fat from what i can see. measurments are all the same and lifts havent dropped more than afew lbs. PCT is in my opinion the biggest factor in keeping gains, besides diet.


Moto

[Focusmen]

Wow, really? Second cycle and your running nearly 2grams all together? Is your goal to become a future Mr. Olympian? Or are your just searching for ways to really damage yourself?

There is absolutely NO NEED to go that high this early. I've known guys cycling for over 5 years and swear by 500-600mg of Test and still continue to make gains.

Was your last cycle a failure so you decided to nearly double your dosage?

Anyways, damn bro, your methods are ****ed to say the least. First off, you should have had all your PCT on hand before you even had the gear. Too late for that. Second, 300mg of Clomid is ridiculous. Start with 150 or 100mg and go from there. Stack with another SERM and toss your HCG out keep that junk in your cycle.

And last but not least, if you decide to cycle again, (which I kinda hope you don't until you get your head straight on correct dosaging) start back down on 500mg of Test and throw in a kicker. With the right diet I guarantee you'll put on as much weight as you did while using nearly 2 grams.

And as far as the loss of gains, your diet probably sucked ass, along with the PCT.

Good luck.

what he said. haha!

[HawaiianPride.]

na my diet was good. 500g of protein, 500g carbs (only simple carbs pwo) and 100g of healthy fats. protein sources steak, fish whey...
ive still kept the strenght gains, my bench is 160kg, deadlift 240kg for 2 reps and 200kg full squat for reps. ive ben training since i was a teen and naturally reached 200-220 pounds from training and dieting so i thought the time was right to start on gear. yeah the gains i made on 750mg of test were decent but the second cycle really helped and i felt great on it - the best ive ever felt. just disappointed on losing the gains. i know my pct isnt very good. i had the clomid before i started as i read somewhere that hcg wasnt significant. i later realised it was, but yeah i'll probably have clomid at 150mg - theres alot of conflicting info on pct and i did get confusd.

Those are some good macros bro. Sounds like diet was okay then. You know what though, running that much gear, and gaining 30+lbs off of one cycle leads to one thing, a high risk of losing more! The two go hand in hand. The more you gain, the more your at risk of losing. That's why I find the best cycles are those of which I put on about 10-12lbs of solid muscle, excluding water. Because when I come off, I keep about 98% of my gains. It may not seem like much, but once you get a few cycles under your belt, it adds up in the end.

Start PCT, come back and let us know how it went. Then re-consider your cycle methods for the future.

[ricky23]

Those are some good macros bro. Sounds like diet was okay then. You know what though, running that much gear, and gaining 30+lbs off of one cycle leads to one thing, a high risk of losing more! The two go hand in hand. The more you gain, the more your at risk of losing. That's why I find the best cycles are those of which I put on about 10-12lbs of solid muscle, excluding water. Because when I come off, I keep about 98% of my gains. It may not seem like much, but once you get a few cycles under your belt, it adds up in the end.

Start PCT, come back and let us know how it went. Then re-consider your cycle methods for the future.

thanks for your comments, im going to take your advice and for the next cycle im gonna decrease doses and aim for maybe 15lbs of solid muscle and limit water retention. thanks again

[dec11]

big doses! ive 7 cycles behind me now and presently gaining like crazy on 600mg test and 350mg tren. no way u need tht much gear mate

[wharton]

hi everyone, ive recently completed a 12 week cycle of 1200mg of test ad 450mg of tren per week. the gains i made were really great - around 30 pounds. straight after i finished the cycle i could only get hold of 5000ius of hcg, so
5000iu's split into 0.2ml eod. now i gonna be taking 300mg clomid for 3 days followed by 150mg clomid for 3 days then 100mg for a week. could you please give me feedback on the pct?
but most of the gains i made are now gone - i new some gains would be lost but not this much and its very frustrating as it feels like all the hard work i put in during the cycle and before has come to nothing, how would i prevent his form future cycles - i hear that pros stay on gear all year. thats actually something im thinking of doing.
sorry here are my stats -
21 years old
240 pounds
10% bf

my first cycle was 750mg of sus and 400mg deca. this was my second.
thanks

pic of 240 at 10%? whats your height? 21 and cycling?? gained 30lb on one cycle?? water weight? at 21 you dont wanna stay on gear all year long the health effects are not gonna be good.

[wharton]

hello, im on my first cycle of 750mg of sustanon - 600mg deca a week and 40mg dianabol a day. i weigh 90kg, just turned 21 years old, been training since my teens. my bench is 130 kg (287 pounds), squat 140kg (308 pounds) deadlift is 200kg (440 pounds). i have low bf levels (not sure how much) and am consuming 400-500g protein and carbs and 100-200g fats. i train with a 5 day split. similar training principles to that of ronnie rowland's slingshot program. i guess my query is the length of the cycle. i am leaning toward keeping the sustanon going for 12-14 weeks, the deca for 10-12 weeks and the dianabol for 8 weeks. is this good and what sort of gains will i make with all the info mentioned above? i would seriously appreciate feedback and advice from experienced users. thanks alot, really appreciate it.

also on 12-23-2009, at 11:10 PM you weighed 90kg(198lb) and were 12-14% bf, yet from dec until today at 9:08pm, 6months later, if you include the fat loss to, your saying you have gained over 50lb of muscle ... in the same thread your saying you never kept nothing from your last cycle, that leaves you with an 8week deca/dbol and test cycle to account for the 50lb of mass... I call BS and raise a flag to you sir.

[HawaiianPride.]

Lol good find.

[Knockout_Power]

That's why I find the best cycles are those of which I put on about 10-12lbs of solid muscle, excluding water. Because when I come off, I keep about 98% of my gains. It may not seem like much, but once you get a few cycles under your belt, it adds up in the end.
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ditto, I like the 10lb rule, thats a ton of new muscle in a 2-3 month timeframe. And keeping it is easy.

[stevey_6t9]

also on 12-23-2009, at 11:10 PM you weighed 90kg(198lb) and were 12-14% bf, yet from dec until today at 9:08pm, 6months later, if you include the fat loss to, your saying you have gained over 50lb of muscle ... in the same thread your saying you never kept nothing from your last cycle, that leaves you with an 8week deca/dbol and test cycle to account for the 50lb of mass... I call BS and raise a flag to you sir.

good spoting wharton lol,

at the end of the day they are only bs themselves.

[ArmyMan04]

at 21 you dont wanna stay on gear all year long the health effects are not gonna be good.

Id say you don't want to do gear at all... even if youve already done 2 cycles... Id hate to be your body bro... its prolly

[bigpapabuff]

are you only using clomid for pct and just two weeks of it???? You may want a longer pct and you may want to add prami with your pct.

[Jaakoppi]

I wonder what if to use only 250 mg of test e/week in my next cycle for 12 weeks? What do you think, anyone?

[cherrydrpepper]

Its probably a suck ass diet. You didn't lose 30 lbs of water. Everybody thinks they are going big on eating but the truth is if you aren't debating rejecting food, feeling full all day and occasionally nauseous you probably don't eat enough.

[Devil's_Advocate]

I gained 10kg/22lb on a cycle of 500mg/wk test e.

What are you doing wrong?