First Cypionate cycle

[thex95]

I am about to do my first cycle and it looks like this.
400 mg test cypionate Ew for 10 weeks.
20mg Nolvadex everyday for 15 weeks
Clomid therapy starting 3 weeks after last injection looking like this;
Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6 Day 7
Week 1 300 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg
Week 2 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg
Week 3 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg


What do you guys think of this cycle?

My stats are;
Age 22
Height 5'11
Weight 175
Years training, 5

[HawaiianPride.]

Research the half life of the Cypionate ester and work on your diet. You don't need drugs at this point w/ your given stats.

[thex95]

I know the half life of test cypionate is 15-16 days, and I already have a very strict eating regime which I follow. I am simply looking to put on an additional 20 lbs, and I think this cycle would get me there.

[bjohnson1968]

at 5' 11" 175 lbs your very strict diet cant be that good unless your at a severe calorie deficit.. I agree with HP you don't need aas at this piont fix your diet

peace

[thex95]

I'm currently following the weight gaining eating plan from power eating written by Maggie Greenwood-Robinson who is a certified dietician and personal trainer. I also continuously research and look in to proper nutrition so my diet is not the problem. I'm not sure at what point you guys consider "the right time" to do a cycle, but I have been working out for a good 5 years, my body fat percent is 11 so I know that it is a good time for me to do a cycle. I wasn't really looking for an analysis on whether I should do a cycle or not, I was more looking for opinions on if the cycle I am going to do is a good cycle or not. Thanks.

[righton]

What were you (weight wise) before you began training? You might not need any AAS help yet if your training and diet are not right, also a simple test/deca cycle will do conciderably better than test alone!

[Matt]

I'm currently following the weight gaining eating plan from power eating written by Maggie Greenwood-Robinson who is a certified dietician and personal trainer. I also continuously research and look in to proper nutrition so my diet is not the problem. I'm not sure at what point you guys consider "the right time" to do a cycle, but I have been working out for a good 5 years, my body fat percent is 11 so I know that it is a good time for me to do a cycle. I wasn't really looking for an analysis on whether I should do a cycle or not, I was more looking for opinions on if the cycle I am going to do is a good cycle or not. Thanks.

The cycle your propose is bad....

[thex95]

Before I started training I was 150 pounds. I have been stuck at 175-180 for some time now. My diet and training are not the problem. And do you care to elaborate a bit more than just "the cycle your propose is bad", thats not exactly constructive criticism, its actually just a useless post. I'm not sure why this cycle is receiving so much criticism. I am doing the exact cycle I have seen others on this forum do, with similar stats and good results. If anyone has any usefull feedback not in regards to my training and diet it would be appreciated. Thanks.

[papa-pump]

that doesnt sound too bad for 1st cycle. pretty conservative actually.

ive never used nolvadex during my cycle only toward the end, the estrogen will help u gain weight. i would only use it if i were developing gyno.

if iwere to do test only i think id run atleast 500 wkly.

[thex95]

Good to know thanks for the advice man.

[Fetch]

You may be a bit on the young side to be starting AAS, and depending on diet, a bit on the light side as well. MOST people at 5'11 175 should be able to gain more naturally, but I wouldn't say all.

Standard first cycle is 500 Mg/Wk for 12 weeks, followed by PCT. 10 weeks may be a bit short, you just start to see good gains around week 8. Cyp or Enanthate would be fine. I wouldn't bother with Nolva on cycle... if you are worried about sides, order some Arimidex (Liquidex from AR-R) to have on hand in case they start to develop.

[thex95]

Right on thanks. If I go with the arimidex option, how much should I take if sides like gyno start to appear?

[Fetch]

Varies with everyone. .25 mg every day seems to be a standard base that most people go by, though. If you start getting serious sides (like gyno), you'll want to make a post about it to get more specific help... but .25 Mg should help limit bloating/etc. Again though, you may not need it, so i would just have it on hand in case you start developing sides. This cycle is pretty mild compared to others, but you never know.

[thex95]

thanks again

[HawaiianPride.]

I know the half life of test cypionate is 15-16 days, and I already have a very strict eating regime which I follow. I am simply looking to put on an additional 20 lbs, and I think this cycle would get me there.

12 days buddy. But alright, good luck on your cycle.

Out of curiosity, what are your daily macros? How much sleep are you getting and what type of training are you undertaking? You can't be plateaued at 175lbs at 5'11. I've been in the game too long and have heard this kind of stuff too much. Then I'll set them up with a diet and training program designed to fit their needs, and they'll blow up within a few months, drug free.

[thex95]

Not too sure why your so sure that I'm not following a proper eating plan and workout regime "buddy". I also don't beleive your the know all, end all, be all of the so called "game", but I know my body well enough to know when I've plateaued. I really don't need your advice on weight training and diet, thanks anyways man.

[HawaiianPride.]

Good luck with your proposed cycle dude..

[thex95]

Well fair enough. Just curious though about why I wouldnt do a cycle even if I could grow a little bit more naturally first? If I could put on 5 pounds over 6 months naturally, I would rather put on 15-20 pounds in 10 weeks with gear instead.

[Matt]

Not too sure why your so sure that I'm not following a proper eating plan and workout regime "buddy". I also don't beleive your the know all, end all, be all of the so called "game", but I know my body well enough to know when I've plateaued. I really don't need your advice on weight training and diet, thanks anyways man.

Im saying your not eating right, theres no way you can be..

However your 22 years old and of course you know it all...

This is what will happen, you will run this cycle and gain a few pounds but once your cycle and pct are done with you'll lose those few pounds..

This will be about the time you realise your diet sucks....

[thex95]

Im saying your not eating right, theres no way you can be..

However your 22 years old and of course you know it all...

This is what will happen, you will run this cycle and gain a few pounds but once your cycle and pct are done with you'll lose those few pounds..

This will be about the time you realise your diet sucks....

OK so by your logic I couldnt possibly know about a proper diet because I am too young, and you know all their is to know about a proper diet because you are older. That would mean a 22 year old could not read the same research and information on a proper diet and nutrition as someone who is older. That is completley absurd. Once again if you dont have any actual constructive criticism stay off the thread your just embarassing yourself, thanks big guy.

[HawaiianPride.]

Phreezer wrote this, it explains everything man. It's a great read, and it's the truth. I've posted it elsewhere on this website but couldn't find the thread so I'll just copy paste the article. Please, bare the long read, it's well worth it, I promise.

"Here’s some info for guys who want to gain 20-25lbs on a cycle.
Everyone wants to know how to gain high poundages on a cycle. We’ve all got a “friend” in a gym somewhere that gained 25lbs on his last cycle and we want to do the same. We ask ourselves…What is his secret? Is the juice he’s taking that good? Is it a good diet in conjunction with the test.. is that what is responsible? Well, here’s the answer.. NO, his particular anabolic compound of choice be it Sustanon, Winstrol, Dbol, Tren, etc… isn’t so great that whoever takes one of those compounds will grow.. nor is his diet so “on” that he will gain more than us.

Here’s the truth.. and some of you won’t like it.. Some of you may even get pissed off.. The reason these guys grow so much on their cycles is because they shouldn’t even be using steroids to begin with… And that’s the truth… That may sound a bit confusing.. yes? Well allow me to elaborate…

You take a 20 yr old male. He has been lifting on and off for six months or so… He’s about 6 foot tall maybe a little shorter.. 5’10” or so.. He weighs about 165lbs.. He’s got a little bit of definition.. nothing big.. when his shirt is off people can tell he’s been working out.. He decides one day that he wants to take steroids, He sees the really big guys in the gym and he wants to be like them right now.. he doesn’t want to wait any longer.. in his mind six months has been long enough.. So he gets on the internet.. he finds a message board similar to this one.. he reads a little .. finds a hook up.. and decides to run 250mg of test and 300mg of deca for two months and ends up weighing around 185 or 190.. All of his friends are amazed.. he’s amazed He’s put on some size.. he looks like a weight lifter.. he doesn’t look like someone who could compete.. but he looks like he’s finally arrived on the Body building scene… His closest friends are so impressed that they want to run the exact same cycle .. He tells them exactly what he did.. how he ate etc… Now, a few months go by.. all of a sudden the kid is back to around 165 maybe 170.. He thinks.. “Oh man.. I’ve got to get back on cycle.. I need those drugs to be big.. if I don’t.. I just can’t grow… Steroids require that I stay on all the time to maintain the kind of size that I want”… I guess that’s what he has to do; huh; stay on all the time?

Now, here’s the reason he gained 25lbs on his cycle.. He was so far from his genetic potential that once the anabolic compounds were introduced into his system he grew like a weed.. His body didn’t need to struggle to put on that mass, because it was quite capable of adding that much mass naturally.. The steroids just sped it up..

it is for lack of a better or more accurate word.. a short cut to get to where he could have gotten natural anyway. His inevitable weight loss after coming off his “super” cycle wasn’t from the lack of steroids.. it was from a lack of a proper foundation.. a Lack of proper training skills, and a lack of muscular maturation…

Here’s the deal.. guys who need steroids aren’t the guys who are growing 25+lbs per cycle.. they are gaining 10lbs and hopefully keeping 5-8.. They are struggling to even do that.. I’ll tell you from personal experience.. I am 30 yrs old 6’2” .. I am 284lbs currently.. I am 17% BF (I’m a power lifter/strongman.. so I keep a little extra fat on me)…If I wanted to keep the same body fat % I have now and weigh 300lbs.. I would have to run a very long cycle. or in all honesty it will take me two full cycles to get to 3 bills..

An average cycle for me is about 750mg Test, 450mg Deca, 300mg EQ and Some Dbol in the front and at the end… Those are some fairly heavy dosages…Why don’t I gain 25lbs per cycle?

Because No matter how much gear I take.. no matter how much I eat.. my body is so far beyond it’s genetic potential that I simply can’t add that kind of radical mass anymore..

My body does a fairly good job of maintaining mass when I’m not on cycle.. but I do drop weight regardless.. and in truth, the only reason my body maintains it’s size as well as it does is because of Muscle maturation.. My body is used to carrying around that muscle.. it’s not a shock to my body to carry it around.. And I built a solid mass foundation naturally years ago.. I reached my genetic potential before I started using juice.. Lifting was a habit and a lifestyle for me because I played football from Junior high through College.

I’ve worked out in gyms all over the country.. and I have been doing so for the better part of a decade.. and I’ll tell you, I have seen a lot of little guys blow up for a couple of months from a cycle only to deflate a couple of months later. It’s the truth.. Muscle Maturation plays a huge key in keeping mass… that and proper training skills.. (and no hitting bench 3 days a week and squatting once every few months doesn’t count)

So in truth, when you hear about some guy who gained 25-30lbs off of a cycle.. Please keep in mind that he is probably some impatient tiny punk that could have easily gained the same amount of muscle had he just been a little more patient.. If he had just been focused on learning how to train.. focused on how to eat…

This is a lifestyle.. there are no short cuts if you want to be the real deal…. There will never be a fly by nighter even win the smallest amateur comp in booney freaking Iowa if he hasn’t been serious for years…

It’s important that you guys learn that Juice may seem like the best short cut in the beginning… but whenever you add that much mass that quickly from gear.. Your body isn’t going to be ready for it.. it will literally fight you to keep it.. the sudden size and strength will stress the ligaments, tendons, bones and central nervous system and Your body will do everything that it can to shed those rapid muscle gains.. Decent muscle mass is only kept through time and hard work (cough.. cough.. it’s a cliché.. but it’s still true).. and it’s important that your gains aren’t so fast that the body can’t adjust healthfully to it’s new weight gain..

I’ve been on the boards for years.. and I’ll tell you, 80% of the people on these boards are wannabes and posers.. they are guys who won’t even be working out six months from now.. They are impatient and are looking for the shortcut.. they may even get a few short term results.. but in the long run they will come out behind everyone else (and when I say long run.. i mean less than a year or two)

These kind of guys will never be anything more than a hobbyist.. and in truth…that is probably the case in every other aspect of their lives as well, not just weight lifting..

So in the end my advice is this.. if you are wanting to add some mass. and you’re stuck.. learn a different training method.. change your diet.. and if you’re a good size.. (that’s when everyone who is in the room with you knows you’re a weight lifter.. if you walk in a room, and everyone in there doesn’t know that you lift… you are not ready for steroids) then come and sit down.. and we’ll talk about steroids.. until then… Learn how to train.. learn how to eat.. and spend some time in the gym.. you’ll be so much better off in the end…"

[ottomaddox]

Good post^^^^^^^^^^


You asked for help and when you didn't hear what you wanted , you got pissy. You're only 22 and small for your size. Everyone is right, your diet sucks if you have as you called it plateaued at only 22 it's time to re-evaluate your diet and training principles.

p.s. that proposed cycle is terrible, could you explain your logic behind it?

[BennyLom]

Phreezer wrote this, it explains everything man. It's a great read, and it's the truth. I've posted it elsewhere on this website but couldn't find the thread so I'll just copy paste the article. Please, bare the long read, it's well worth it, I promise.

"Here’s some info for guys who want to gain 20-25lbs on a cycle.
Everyone wants to know how to gain high poundages on a cycle. We’ve all got a “friend” in a gym somewhere that gained 25lbs on his last cycle and we want to do the same. We ask ourselves…What is his secret? Is the juice he’s taking that good? Is it a good diet in conjunction with the test.. is that what is responsible? Well, here’s the answer.. NO, his particular anabolic compound of choice be it Sustanon, Winstrol, Dbol, Tren, etc… isn’t so great that whoever takes one of those compounds will grow.. nor is his diet so “on” that he will gain more than us.

Here’s the truth.. and some of you won’t like it.. Some of you may even get pissed off.. The reason these guys grow so much on their cycles is because they shouldn’t even be using steroids to begin with… And that’s the truth… That may sound a bit confusing.. yes? Well allow me to elaborate…

You take a 20 yr old male. He has been lifting on and off for six months or so… He’s about 6 foot tall maybe a little shorter.. 5’10” or so.. He weighs about 165lbs.. He’s got a little bit of definition.. nothing big.. when his shirt is off people can tell he’s been working out.. He decides one day that he wants to take steroids, He sees the really big guys in the gym and he wants to be like them right now.. he doesn’t want to wait any longer.. in his mind six months has been long enough.. So he gets on the internet.. he finds a message board similar to this one.. he reads a little .. finds a hook up.. and decides to run 250mg of test and 300mg of deca for two months and ends up weighing around 185 or 190.. All of his friends are amazed.. he’s amazed He’s put on some size.. he looks like a weight lifter.. he doesn’t look like someone who could compete.. but he looks like he’s finally arrived on the Body building scene… His closest friends are so impressed that they want to run the exact same cycle .. He tells them exactly what he did.. how he ate etc… Now, a few months go by.. all of a sudden the kid is back to around 165 maybe 170.. He thinks.. “Oh man.. I’ve got to get back on cycle.. I need those drugs to be big.. if I don’t.. I just can’t grow… Steroids require that I stay on all the time to maintain the kind of size that I want”… I guess that’s what he has to do; huh; stay on all the time?

Now, here’s the reason he gained 25lbs on his cycle.. He was so far from his genetic potential that once the anabolic compounds were introduced into his system he grew like a weed.. His body didn’t need to struggle to put on that mass, because it was quite capable of adding that much mass naturally.. The steroids just sped it up..

it is for lack of a better or more accurate word.. a short cut to get to where he could have gotten natural anyway. His inevitable weight loss after coming off his “super” cycle wasn’t from the lack of steroids.. it was from a lack of a proper foundation.. a Lack of proper training skills, and a lack of muscular maturation…

Here’s the deal.. guys who need steroids aren’t the guys who are growing 25+lbs per cycle.. they are gaining 10lbs and hopefully keeping 5-8.. They are struggling to even do that.. I’ll tell you from personal experience.. I am 30 yrs old 6’2” .. I am 284lbs currently.. I am 17% BF (I’m a power lifter/strongman.. so I keep a little extra fat on me)…If I wanted to keep the same body fat % I have now and weigh 300lbs.. I would have to run a very long cycle. or in all honesty it will take me two full cycles to get to 3 bills..

An average cycle for me is about 750mg Test, 450mg Deca, 300mg EQ and Some Dbol in the front and at the end… Those are some fairly heavy dosages…Why don’t I gain 25lbs per cycle?

Because No matter how much gear I take.. no matter how much I eat.. my body is so far beyond it’s genetic potential that I simply can’t add that kind of radical mass anymore..

My body does a fairly good job of maintaining mass when I’m not on cycle.. but I do drop weight regardless.. and in truth, the only reason my body maintains it’s size as well as it does is because of Muscle maturation.. My body is used to carrying around that muscle.. it’s not a shock to my body to carry it around.. And I built a solid mass foundation naturally years ago.. I reached my genetic potential before I started using juice.. Lifting was a habit and a lifestyle for me because I played football from Junior high through College.

I’ve worked out in gyms all over the country.. and I have been doing so for the better part of a decade.. and I’ll tell you, I have seen a lot of little guys blow up for a couple of months from a cycle only to deflate a couple of months later. It’s the truth.. Muscle Maturation plays a huge key in keeping mass… that and proper training skills.. (and no hitting bench 3 days a week and squatting once every few months doesn’t count)

So in truth, when you hear about some guy who gained 25-30lbs off of a cycle.. Please keep in mind that he is probably some impatient tiny punk that could have easily gained the same amount of muscle had he just been a little more patient.. If he had just been focused on learning how to train.. focused on how to eat…

This is a lifestyle.. there are no short cuts if you want to be the real deal…. There will never be a fly by nighter even win the smallest amateur comp in booney freaking Iowa if he hasn’t been serious for years…

It’s important that you guys learn that Juice may seem like the best short cut in the beginning… but whenever you add that much mass that quickly from gear.. Your body isn’t going to be ready for it.. it will literally fight you to keep it.. the sudden size and strength will stress the ligaments, tendons, bones and central nervous system and Your body will do everything that it can to shed those rapid muscle gains.. Decent muscle mass is only kept through time and hard work (cough.. cough.. it’s a cliché.. but it’s still true).. and it’s important that your gains aren’t so fast that the body can’t adjust healthfully to it’s new weight gain..

I’ve been on the boards for years.. and I’ll tell you, 80% of the people on these boards are wannabes and posers.. they are guys who won’t even be working out six months from now.. They are impatient and are looking for the shortcut.. they may even get a few short term results.. but in the long run they will come out behind everyone else (and when I say long run.. i mean less than a year or two)

These kind of guys will never be anything more than a hobbyist.. and in truth…that is probably the case in every other aspect of their lives as well, not just weight lifting..

So in the end my advice is this.. if you are wanting to add some mass. and you’re stuck.. learn a different training method.. change your diet.. and if you’re a good size.. (that’s when everyone who is in the room with you knows you’re a weight lifter.. if you walk in a room, and everyone in there doesn’t know that you lift… you are not ready for steroids) then come and sit down.. and we’ll talk about steroids.. until then… Learn how to train.. learn how to eat.. and spend some time in the gym.. you’ll be so much better off in the end…"

That was very good!

[dec11]

OK so by your logic I couldnt possibly know about a proper diet because I am too young, and you know all their is to know about a proper diet because you are older. That would mean a 22 year old could not read the same research and information on a proper diet and nutrition as someone who is older. That is completley absurd. Once again if you dont have any actual constructive criticism stay off the thread your just embarassing yourself, thanks big guy.

oh dear, 007 is most likely right, i thought i was eating correctly for years when i was younger, i wasnt. stay off the gear.......

[thex95]

That was actually a really great post hawaiin pride I appreciate it.

For the rest of you, first off you guys have absolutley no idea what my diet is, for all you know I could be eating the exact same as you so you shouldnt be knocking what you don't know. I am actually fairly confident I eat a lot better then most of the people on here. Second I am not "small for my age" at all, I am actually a pretty good size for my age I'm just still capable of doing cardio (running for you puffy deca types who don't know what kinds of cardio there are besides stationary biking). Apperantly I came to the wrong place, you big puffy dudes who's idea of a proper diet is "eat alot" and get winded walking up a set of stairs are not the best source of information for what I am after.
My "logic" behind my cycle was I wanted to put on a bit of muscle but not get so bloated and freakish looking like most of the people on here that I can't wipe my own ass. You see there are other things when it comes to physical training such as crossfit, cardio, circuit training etc, than just what most people on here know of which is lifting heavy weights to get big. I know a few guys who have done this exact cycle, (some members on here) and have had great results.
I guess I will just let you guys all live in your fantasy world and think you know all their is to know about proper diet and exercise.

[HawaiianPride.]

Your welcome man.