How close/far am i from using AAS?

[Jahcuree]

Hello. New pics, trying to maximize my natural potential. Input would be appreciated, my diet is SOLID now thanks to help from some of the brothers on here.

Stats:
6ft
23.5y/o
175lbs
~10% bf
Training 6/7 years, 4-5 hard

Q is: How faar away am i from having a good base for aas use?

Thanks brothers!!

[Jfew44]

If your diet is solid keep at it. There's really no need for you to start aas yet. You can do alot more naturally if your diet is on. How tall are you?

[Jahcuree]

If your diet is solid keep at it. There's really no need for you to start aas yet. You can do alot more naturally if your diet is on. How tall are you?

Ok cool, oops forgot that, 6' tall

[gbrice75]

At 6'0 175lbs and 10% bodyfat, you can do ALOT more naturally IMO. Revisit the idea after 25...

[lovbyts]

With proper diet and gaining a solid 20 lbs I would say 1+ year.

[Jahcuree]

20lbs is impossible naturally for my frame, but will take that into consideration hah

[marcus300]

You need to work on your diet, many guys say its impossible to gain more weight but if you cant gain weight now your not going to be able to maintain it when you do go on AAS. Re-design your diet and see how you look in 6-10 months time

[Jahcuree]

I have re designed it, its virtually perfect right now, i gained 10 lbs in a month but have plateud for 1.5months. Im just gonna keep w. it and hopefully my body will re adapt and continue to hold more weight

Thanks guys

[nothingtoitbuttodoit]

not too sure you are ready.

ive been training 1.5 years and am 6ft 203lbs at about 12% bf and my diet isnt perfect only about 200g of protein per day.

[marcus300]

I have re designed it, its virtually perfect right now, i gained 10 lbs in a month but have plateud for 1.5months. Im just gonna keep w. it and hopefully my body will re adapt and continue to hold more weight

Thanks guys

Well done but now you need to adjust the diet again to maintain the 10lbs you have gained and then increase it further to support more muscle tissue

[Jahcuree]

Well done but now you need to adjust the diet again to maintain the 10lbs you have gained and then increase it further to support more muscle tissue

Ok, so ive been maintaining well, now the next step is to increase my calories even more?

Thx for the help

[Virturam]

Look into Estimated Energy Requirement formula, and BMR formula that'll help you get your cals in line, its a good tool to help you understand what your body needs just to stay alive in the way of cals, and an estimate of what you should be taking in giving your age, weight, height, physical activity. As far as what you should be eating, definitely read up.

i noticed up top it says you've been trainging hard for 4-5, if thats true something is wrong, im an inch shorter than you.. i went from 165 all the way to 205 naturally in about 3.3 years of "hard" working out.. and i didnt deviate from my diet one day in those three years.. im sure cut weight was around 190ish but still. Something is wrong with what you're doing if you've really been at it hard for 4-5 years brotha. Hope the above mentioned helps.

[n00bs]

I think if you have been training for 4 year sproperly you have been doing somehtign a little off be it diet or exercises itself... Im imagining some kind of split with "arm days" ab workouts and a low calories diet to get ripped.. ..

I am in no way trying to gloat my legs are shit but i am just trying to say if i can build then you can as well!!! For example here me with a IGf-1 and tetsosterone defficiency after about a year of training...



I think you need to seriously re adjust what you are doing in terms of food and the gym... You may need to start with a begginers routine to get the basics down if you dont already.

Squats dead rows presses powercleans! Heavy heavy heavy EAT EAT EAT!!

Because what you are doing now isnt working and you are looking for a quick fix from what i can gather...

[Jahcuree]

I appreciate all the help and comments, but i can assure all of you that i do lift and diet correctly, i didnt mention that about 3 of the 4-5 years training hard was training for college track and 400meter running.

I dont do abs and i dont do bodybuilding splits. I do push / pull days with compound movements and heavy weights. And never do abs. Ever. haha

[cjw2021]

It looks like you need to eat more saturated fat to get your hormone levels up. If you have been training for 4-5 years hard and that's all you have to show for it I would get your T levels checked. I know better than anyone how ridiculous it can be hard gaining just to lose all the muscle mass in two weeks because you stopped working out for that short time. I have seen people lift a third the weight I have lifted, and I do not even lift a bunch of weight and they gained huge mass easily. It is all about the testosterone. Once you go in the gym on T you will realize it is like playing a game on cheat codes that no one else has except a few with great genetics. If your levels are above 500 or so I would not recommend shutting down your natural hormones though. If your levels are 285 like in my case I would say you have no idea what you are missing and you are wasting your time otherwise. If I were you I would get T levels checked and go from there. Most young men have fast metabolisms in general, which you obviously have judging by your abs and the fact that you don't work them just like me. If you have t deficiency on top of that you are in for an uphill battle.

[n00bs]

My t levels are rock bottom along with gh. I'm sure it is diet and incorrect training with this guy...

It looks like you need to eat more saturated fat to get your hormone levels up. If you have been training for 4-5 years hard and that's all you have to show for it I would get your T levels checked. I know better than anyone how ridiculous it can be hard gaining just to lose all the muscle mass in two weeks because you stopped working out for that short time. I have seen people lift a third the weight I have lifted, and I do not even lift a bunch of weight and they gained huge mass easily. It is all about the testosterone. Once you go in the gym on T you will realize it is like playing a game on cheat codes that no one else has except a few with great genetics. If your levels are above 500 or so I would not recommend shutting down your natural hormones though. If your levels are 285 like in my case I would say you have no idea what you are missing and you are wasting your time otherwise. If I were you I would get T levels checked and go from there. Most young men have fast metabolisms in general, which you obviously have judging by your abs and the fact that you don't work them just like me. If you have t deficiency on top of that you are in for an uphill battle.

[layeazy]

mate u can reach 200pounds naturally theres no rush heavy weights and readdress your diet seriously ppl tell people they are hard gainers but i believe everyone with the right knowledge can reach 200 pounds naturally just takes dedication and eat eat eat

also noobs those legs and just too out of proportion to the calves looks like the barbell with big plates at the ends lol

[n00bs]

mate u can reach 200pounds naturally theres no rush heavy weights and readdress your diet seriously ppl tell people they are hard gainers but i believe everyone with the right knowledge can reach 200 pounds naturally just takes dedication and eat eat eat

also noobs those legs and just too out of proportion to the calves looks like the barbell with big plates at the ends lol

Im not a body builder mate. With my problems im glad i have legs at all...

Heres Nicks legs from another forum.


And the top half..
Natural no juice..




He came from this in 3 years of deadlfit squats rows and powercleans..



His lifts..

Bench: 150kg x1 Squat: 220kg x1, 162.5kg x20 Deadlift: 275kg x1 Clean: 127.5kg Press From Rack: 142.5kg
All lifts 100% raw (no belt, wraps, suit, etc) and lifetime drug free


We dont care for "calves" around here...

[cjw2021]

My t levels are rock bottom along with gh. I'm sure it is diet and incorrect training with this guy...

You are probably right - but an absence of sufficient renotropics in someone trying to bodybuild, have a girlfriend, and live a stressful work life is a recipe for disaster. I could gain muscle like you without it but it would be very tough. Do you do anything besides bodybuild (serious)? Do you have a productive life? I am just curious because I sure as hell hit rock bottom when I caught pneumonia and had chronic fatigue with low testosterone with too much adrenal stress. Your leg shot I could probably achieve in 3 months instead of a year it would take you but I would literally have to destroy my knees and low back squatting and deadlifting my ass off. I don't want to work that hard at the detriment of my body.

[Jahcuree]

Some of this shit is gettin really old, 200lbs naturally is impossible on my frame. We arent all built like a sh.itbrick house. I have a very thin bone structure, i can reach my thumb and middle finger around my wrist with about an inch worth of slack. I would say 185 is the MAX natural weight i can get up to. My dad has been lifting correctly and dieting correctly his whole life and is 180lbs 8% bf. and the strongest/most fit fvcker i know or have ever seen at 49y.o. So if i could get up to 185 naturally i would be stooooooooookeddd.

[cobra305]

Why don't you go to the diet section and post your diet in there. You may discover that it is not as perfect as you thought. And as far as 200 lbs natty it is possible with a good diet. If you are getting tired of people telling you the truth than do not ask for advice.

[layeazy]

yeah true its good to see that u got great dedication yeah some ppl dont care for calves im just into the proportion like arms size of calves and that but thats just my style no doubt they are great legs mate

jahcuree mate the knowlege wasnt there when your dad was lifting some much more is known and the modern diets and supplements and types of training availalbe is unbelievable a little more searching and you will find that u can reach 200 pounds dude unless ur 4,11inc and have a skinny frame

[gbrice75]

Why don't you go to the diet section and post your diet in there. You may discover that it is not as perfect as you thought. And as far as 200 lbs natty it is possible with a good diet. If you are getting tired of people telling you the truth than do not ask for advice.

Cobra, your avy is hot! =P

[bigslick7878]

Some of this shit is gettin really old, 200lbs naturally is impossible on my frame. We arent all built like a sh.itbrick house. I have a very thin bone structure, i can reach my thumb and middle finger around my wrist with about an inch worth of slack. I would say 185 is the MAX natural weight i can get up to. My dad has been lifting correctly and dieting correctly his whole life and is 180lbs 8% bf. and the strongest/most fit fvcker i know or have ever seen at 49y.o. So if i could get up to 185 naturally i would be stooooooooookeddd.

At 23 years old I weighed about 160 at 5'10. Very average frame( hardgainer pretty much), and my wrists are just as skinny as yours.

At 31 years old I was naturally 190 never any juice.

You might be right, but in about 5 years you might be singing a different tune.

I will almost guarantee you can get to 190 naturally over the next 5 years if you work out and eat properly. You would be amazed at how your metabolism changes over the years.

[desizon]

clearly your diet and training is not as solid as you think it it... (not bashing ya btw)

[Jahcuree]

clearly your diet and training is not as solid as you think it it... (not bashing ya btw)

I assure you that both are. Up to 180 and still growing natty, just sloooowing down big time Thx for tips/help boys

[TRT2010]

dude u r looking really good. i say yeah about 6-10 months and see where ur at but i see alot of potential in you

[crosby87]

I'm going to go against the grain and most likely get flack but I say go for it.

Do you really want to wait until you are 30.
NO!!! you want to look good NOW while you are young.

Just do things right so there are no complications and research,research, research!!!
Get everything in order and have everything on hand.

This is not coming from a young buck either . I am in my late to mid 30's.
I'd comment more but getting tired...

But yeah imo go for it. You got one vote at least....

[Jahcuree]

dude u r looking really good. i say yeah about 6-10 months and see where ur at but i see alot of potential in you

Thx brothers Working on it. im gonna keep at it natty for a bit and see where it goes in the next few months time, if i keep gaining slowly, ill keep going natty until it stops

I appreciate the positivity

[frank784]

What does your diet and workout look like? How is your nutrient timing? I personally used to say all i do is eat and never grow but when I actually wrote it down and tracked my cals it was a joke. Now I'm at a solid 3500 of 50/30/20 and gain. Best of luck....give it time and you will grow.

[Jahcuree]

Just if anyone is interested up to 182 lb before breakfast @ same bf %

[digismash]

why don't you go to the diet section and post your diet in there. You may discover that it is not as perfect as you thought. and as far as 200 lbs natty it is possible with a good diet. If you are getting tired of people telling you the truth than do not ask for advice.

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[Jahcuree]

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Ive had my diet checked through PM's months ago. Diet is solid.

[IronSheff]

Ive had my diet checked through PM's months ago. Diet is solid.

What're your goals? Other than just gaining mass, what's your intention? Not meaning to be facetious, but do you have intentions of competing professionally? If the answer is no, why use AAS?

You'll have plenty of intelligent people on this board that can guide you through the actual usage if that's your choice, but coming from someone that's just slightly older than you, who had similar intentions at your age, I'd like to gain some insight on your mindset and perhaps offer some advice for your consideration.

Either way, good luck.

[gbrice75]

IronSheff - cool avy/name combo... but Sheff? C'mon, he hardly did $hit for the Yanks!!!

[IronSheff]

IronSheff - cool avy/name combo... but Sheff? C'mon, he hardly did $hit for the Yanks!!!

He had a pretty big 2005 with them - unsure if you remember but he was an MVP contender. I'd been a fan of Sheff since I was a little leaguer when he put up triple crown numbers in 1992 with the Padres; as a grade school kid he was always a solid pick in Sega's Sports Talk Baseball and a great Baseball card to trade. Anyway, being a native New Yorker and lifelong Yankee fan, it was an exciting moment when my favorite non-Yankee player joined the Bombers.

Needless to say, if given the opportunity to create a new handle, it'd clearly be : TheGiambino ;-)

[gbrice75]

He had a pretty big 2005 with them - unsure if you remember but he was an MVP contender. I'd been a fan of Sheff since I was a little leaguer when he put up triple crown numbers in 1992 with the Padres; as a grade school kid he was always a solid pick in Sega's Sports Talk Baseball and a great Baseball card to trade. Anyway, being a native New Yorker and lifelong Yankee fan, it was an exciting moment when my favorite non-Yankee player joined the Bombers.

Needless to say, if given the opportunity to create a new handle, it'd clearly be : TheGiambino ;-)

LoL i'm just breakin balls, I actually like Sheff too. Love watching his swing! Yep, I remember the 05 season well, season ticket holder here. It was just a shame that with all that talent, they couldn't close the deal year after year.... and then the Boston thing... omg... knife through my heart, i'm sure yours as well!

Yea, considering you were already a Sheff fan and a Yankees fan, that must've been huge for you when he came aboard!

[IronSheff]

LoL i'm just breakin balls, I actually like Sheff too. Love watching his swing! Yep, I remember the 05 season well, season ticket holder here. It was just a shame that with all that talent, they couldn't close the deal year after year.... and then the Boston thing... omg... knife through my heart, i'm sure yours as well!

Yea, considering you were already a Sheff fan and a Yankees fan, that must've been huge for you when he came aboard!

I know, man, I know. So painful. Season ticket holder since '99 as well.

[Jahcuree]

What're your goals? Other than just gaining mass, what's your intention? Not meaning to be facetious, but do you have intentions of competing professionally? If the answer is no, why use AAS?

You'll have plenty of intelligent people on this board that can guide you through the actual usage if that's your choice, but coming from someone that's just slightly older than you, who had similar intentions at your age, I'd like to gain some insight on your mindset and perhaps offer some advice for your consideration.

Either way, good luck.

I dont plan on competing ever hah. My goals are pretty basic just gain a good amount of mass while keeping my bf low, and looking shredded.

Ive always wanted to be larger and more muscular, not sure why exactly but was always super skinny as a kid. I enjoy lifting weights and love the benefits from lifting. I also enjoy the feeling of progressing and love the way my body feels / looks with more mass on it.

I could post a picture of me @ 18-19 if we all wanted a good laugh

[IronSheff]

I dont plan on competing ever hah. My goals are pretty basic just gain a good amount of mass while keeping my bf low, and looking shredded.

Ive always wanted to be larger and more muscular, not sure why exactly but was always super skinny as a kid. I enjoy lifting weights and love the benefits from lifting. I also enjoy the feeling of progressing and love the way my body feels / looks with more mass on it.

I could post a picture of me @ 18-19 if we all wanted a good laugh

I think AAS are not the ticket here. Gaining dry, lean mass always takes time. Up your calories while keeping them fairly clean, if possible, and just know that this goal is achieved over the long term. Hang in there.