HCG administration and DECA

[bjjfreak]

Hi guys,
I'm new to this forum, so nice to meet ya all.
i just started a cycle of 300MG/week Deca and 300MG/week sust
one question that the answer is still blury to me, is the HCG.
I know that Deca is a very hard Drug on the HPTA and that HCG is a must for a good recovery.
the problem is, the way to take it...
Some people say that it is best to take it from week 2 @ 500 IU/week untill 7 days before the PCT, when in the last week you take 500 IU EOD (and than you wait 7 days and start PCT with clomid and nolva).

others say that with deca, the way to go is to include HCG in the PCT itself...

i'm really confused :/. what is the best method to aid my recovery from deca???

please help!

Thanks!

[G4R]

Welcome aboard

First off, some background from you please...

Stats?

Age
Height
Weight
BF%
Diet Details
Training Exp
PCT Knowledge
Goals

[bjjfreak]

Welcome aboard

First off, some background from you please...

Stats?

Age
Height
Weight
BF%
Diet Details
Training Exp
PCT Knowledge
Goals

Not a bodybuilder...Mixed martail artist.
not looking for 2 much size, just some strength and help with the pains and aches (deca)

i'm 24 5'10
weighing 81 KG @ 10-11% BF (dont wanna get 2 much weight on me coz i compete at a certain weight class)...
eating my 5-6 orginized meals a day,
been training since i can remember myself, hitting the gym since i was 16 (with a year and a half of break in between). i'm also a personal trainer in my education (not working in that field thou.)

i must say that i'm NOT a bodybuilder, as weel as not training as one (in the gym of course)...

Did a cycle of anavar only before, gains were mostly strentgh.
sorry if im having english mistakes, i'm from abroad...

anything else?

[bjjfreak]

please help, some 1 :\?

[marcus300]

Drop the deca and just run your sus, if you suffer with atrophy start on hcg at 250ius 3 x weekly.

[suttie]

i would go with 500iu every 3rd/4th day right thu cycle and upto 1st day of pct.

[bjjfreak]

some 1 told me to shoot 500 IU EOD right after the last deca shot and continue with that untill pct starts (4 weeks total coz after the deca im doing 2 more weeks of test and wait 2 weeks for pct to start). what do you think of that method? is it ok? or is it better to use the 500 IU e3d/e4d?

[Vettester]

I'd personally go with what Marcus suggested, 250iu x 3/wk. I think you will see more stable results with that dosage.

[bjjfreak]

so thats 750 IU a week total, but when to start? to go with that dose from week 2 of the cycle till the end? im confused...what is your way of HCG administration when on deca?

[big_ron]

^^ Drop The DECA!! up the sus to 500mg per week, seriously if u dont want to put on much weight then drop the deca

[bjjfreak]

forget about dropping the deca, one of the reasone i want it is for the joint aches i have, i'll deal with the weight gain, i might include an AI to prevent water retention...

please, just tell me about the hcg protocol, coz everyone got me confused!
should i run the 500 IU from week 2 untill pct? or should i wait 7 days between HCG and PCT?

[bjjfreak]

bump?

[richtries]

I am also interested in this . . .

the general consensus is to use on cycle to make the transition to PCT more smooth, but wont longer term use of hcg desensitize the testicles to natural LH?

A guys doctor from another forum suggested this;

This is the protocol the doc said he used in literally thousands of users with suppressed HPTA.
First thing, the 500iu a day was not enough to make the testicles do their job, he suggested this was just a waste of time and money.
He suggests 8 shots of HCG @ 2500iu EOD.
With this you take 20 mg of nolvadex for 45 days.
Clomid is also taken but twice a day @ 50mg each dose 12 hours apart.

The reason for the amounts of HCG (which is the most important part, if the balls don’t fire everything else is worthless), is based on his determination to bring the balls back to life, too little wont accomplish this, too much risks damage to the Leydig cells.
So he basically was saying that you do the HCG and around day 10 of the above protocol, you should get a blood test for testosterone. If it is above 400 or greater then this says the balls will be just fine once you get off the HCG and the Clomid and nolva take over. This will accept the LH that you are putting out to maintain testicular function.
He used the term like jumping a car. Your battery (Pituitary gland) if low wont start your car (your testicles), if you use another car and jumper cables (HCG) once the car starts your battery (HP part of the HPTA) will keep your car running.