Test E/Tren Ace cycle

[neastrong]

Hi guys. I've run several cycles in the past, but have not cycled for appoximately three years. My stats:

26y/o
6'1"
230 lb
approx. 15% bodyfat
strongman competitor

The cycle I'm planning is:

wk 1-10= Test E 500mg split between Monday and Thursday
wk 1-8= Tren Ace 75mg eod

keep arimidex and caber on hand if side effects arise

pct beginning wk 13

Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

Does anyone see any major issues with this?

[Neevor]

Nope. Have you done both of these before? Why not just run test Prop if you are pinning every other day anyway? More bang for your buck and your recovery will be faster too...

[neastrong]

The tren is new to me. I've been on several cycles that included test E. I'll check and see if I can find any Prop. Test E is easier to find for me.

[Knockout_Power]

thats only 262.5mg/wk tren A, a bit low I would think... I would say up it to 350/wk (100EOD) and your results will be great. Also, you dont want to start a long ester test and a short ester Tren at the same time cause the tren willl shut you down quickly while the test takes weeks to build up... if you dont switch to prop, I would run it like this...

1-10 Test E (take it to wk 12 if you can)
3-10 Tren A

normally you should run the test out 2 weeks past 19 nor but the long esterred E should be fine finishing at the same time...

I had great results last summer on 250/wk test E and 350/wk Tren A... dropped fat and gained some muscle... does it get any better?

[8iron]

^^^x2 def dont start the tren till you have ran test for a couple of weeks first

[neastrong]

Thanks for the input guys. I'll hold off a few weeks on the tren.

[Knockout_Power]

Thanks for the input guys. I'll hold off a few weeks on the tren.

good call, have a safe cycle and enjoy your results.

[neastrong]

Will do. Thanks again!

[Vitruvian-Man]

This would be a better in my opinion...

Test-E (weeks 1 - 10) @ 500mg/wk
Tren-A (weeks 4 - 12) @ 75 - 100mg/eod

-VM

[neastrong]

Would pct still begin at wk 13 after running tren to wk 12?

[Vitruvian-Man]

Yup... wait like 2 - 3 days after your last injection of Tren-A and then begin the PCT.

It would be the best way to stay in a muscle growing/anabolic state leading all the way up to PCT. that's why I suggested that protocol..

-VM

[SuperBird]

Nope. Have you done both of these before? Why not just run test Prop if you are pinning every other day anyway? More bang for your buck and your recovery will be faster too...

i bet i know why......... high mg prop EOD hurts, enanthe EOD doesnt hurt. who wants to walk around with golfballs of pain in their thighs constantly.

[Neevor]

i bet i know why......... high mg prop EOD hurts, enanthe EOD doesnt hurt. who wants to walk around with golfballs of pain in their thighs constantly.

I never inject in my thighs. That shit cripples me for days. No effin way. I'll inject in my forearm before I ever do my thighs again. I have absolutely no idea who tells these newbs that thighs are the place to do their first injections. Wish I could find out and shut em up tho...

You can hit every head in your delts, upper and mid pecs, and glutes for starters. None of those hurt nearly as much as thighs. That gives you 12 injection sites for ED pinning. Thats pleanty. If you need more you could go with your biceps and long and short heads in your triceps. Oh and your traps and your lats if you can get your gf to do it for you.

That should solve the problem.

[anadroljack]

i inject in my thigh all the time its second best to the glute every other day shots you will need the outer thigh i also agree that 100mg every other day is better than 75 for the tren good luck.

[dec11]

tren a is fantastic for strength, i gained great strength even while cutting and consuming very low carbs, cant wait to do a bulk on it!!

[Noles12]

i bet i know why......... high mg prop EOD hurts, enanthe EOD doesnt hurt. who wants to walk around with golfballs of pain in their thighs constantly.

I inject prop ED at 100 mg/day and have no pain ever

[Knockout_Power]

I inject prop ED at 100 mg/day and have no pain ever

quality Prop is priceless... spend the money and get the good shit and pain isnt an issue... budget cycling are 2 words that dont go good together.

[dec11]

quality Prop is priceless... spend the money and get the good shit and pain isnt an issue... budget cycling are 2 words that dont go good together.

i agree, i had pharma grade testolic prop and it was virtually painless after a few injects

[SuperBird]

I inject prop ED at 100 mg/day and have no pain ever

i think it also depends what the maker is basing it with also. but my last two prop bottles both left me with golfballs in my thighs every injection. but they were both prop 150. feels like winstrol.

also..... that same maker packaged some prop labeled as enanthe which i bought the following month. i hate when they pull garbage like that. i knew right away what they did. popular name ugl/underground lab too.

[SuperBird]

quality prop doesnt mean its painless, and painless prop doesnt mean its quality.

even the popular UGLs have put out plenty of product containing less than the stated mg's. that with a thin oil would be painless. so you cant just gauge juice quality on its pain. the pain of an injection has nothing to do with quality. any lab could mix you up some kick ass quality prop at 150mg/ml and it can burn like a wasp.

this explains it....... http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ropionate+pain

"Pain is caused when the oil/solvents are absorbed by the body and crystals are left behind.
Short esters (propionate or acetate) are harder, more painful crystals with melting points in the 100c range."

[Neevor]

i inject in my thigh all the time its second best to the glute every other day shots you will need the outer thigh i also agree that 100mg every other day is better than 75 for the tren good luck.

Oh so you're the one tellin em to inject in their thighs! Its second best because..... higher plasma levels of test in bigger muscles? Meh..

[SuperBird]

anybody please chime in........

until this year, i never had a problem with libido trauma from tren ace, but this year it killed me. absolutely destroyed me. i came off tren ace four months ago and im just now getting usuable wood again (not threatening wood, just useable) im not recovered. the most depressing four months of my life. so im staring at six bottles of tren now and wont touch them unless i have some therapy for sure. guaranteed for sure. is this caber stuff dependable? if its less than 80 percent dependable id rather say goodbye to tren and all of its glory.

two questions:

1. is the ar-r liquid the best product/best price on caber?
2. it says the dosage is .5mg/1ml per week. so thats 30 weeks of product. being that its .5mg/ml.
3. i guess i should run .5mg per week from 1st week of tren ace to four weeks post cycle?
4. any other ideas? ipt141? arimidex? dosage/schedule?

Prami is much cheaper but obviously less potent?

[Epic Ed]

The liquid caber does not get good reviews. The prami is a good product in liquid form. I haven't used either but have been doing a bunch of research in planning for my next cycle. I ended up ordering dostinex (caber) tablets from my source.

[SuperBird]

The liquid caber does not get good reviews. The prami is a good product in liquid form. I haven't used either but have been doing a bunch of research in planning for my next cycle. I ended up ordering dostinex (caber) tablets from my source.

ok, thats good to hear because prami is certainly much cheaper. im sensing that the tablets are more effective? i just read on another post about ipt141, bromo and femara. but no good information was offered in the posts other than the names of the product.

i wish we could remove the posts that just spit up someones "i did this but it sucked" posts. its worthless waste of space. they just want to throw in cheap two cents worth but add nothing informative to gain knowledge on.

[anadroljack]

the thigh is second best to the butt for more of the injection to be delivered to the blood steam and will release slowly.butt is the best for this also you can do bigger shots in thigh and also theres not alot of nerves.

[Ashop]

Hi guys. I've run several cycles in the past, but have not cycled for appoximately three years. My stats:

26y/o
6'1"
230 lb
approx. 15% bodyfat
strongman competitor

The cycle I'm planning is:

wk 1-10= Test E 500mg split between Monday and Thursday
wk 1-8= Tren Ace 75mg eod

keep arimidex and caber on hand if side effects arise

pct beginning wk 13

Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

Does anyone see any major issues with this?

Looks ok to me. I would use the ARIMIDEX the entire cycle to avoid any side effects..dont wait until they happen.

[SuperBird]

because XtraLrge just informed me my HGH was bogus, starting monday i will be on only tren ace 75 daily and test enanthe 250 eod (mg? because i have it and i know its underdosed). until four months ago i never dealt with labido trauma before. and now im still suffering from my last fina four months ago. i only get half staff. just firm enough to work with and loss of length. but at least i can get it on.

i want to fortify my libido system and guarantee against any more performance issues.

can someone throw me a for sure cycle/post cycle therapy that worked for them and should work for me with product/dose/cycle.

[Neevor]

the thigh is second best to the butt for more of the injection to be delivered to the blood steam and will release slowly.butt is the best for this also you can do bigger shots in thigh and also theres not alot of nerves.

Based on what support? I know theres a graph floating around here today that shows higher plasma levels but its a very poor graph.

As far as nerves go I couldnt say but I do know there are more muscles running next to each other which means you are more likely to skewer a muscle sheath which is what causes your muscle to flex on its own when you inject. That shit is creepy and I'm almost sure its whats causin the newbs to pass out and have to sing songs to distract themselves while injecting lol.

The bigger shots I agree with. I prefer ED or EOD injections tho so I rarely have need for more than 2mls a day and even if I do I'll just do two injections rather than my damn thighs. Who knows, maybe I'll try it again under the right circumstances, but not likely lol.

[SuperBird]

me, i been hitting all four limbs for 20 years. and the guys juicin in the 70s been doin leg shots for 40 years now. and i never once to this day heard of anything other than a minor abscess in any limb at all in maybe once in 6 years and thats rare. not once have i ever heard of any irreversible damage to a thigh from an injection. most people that have nails, bullets, dog bites and any other major puncture wound fully heal without ever a problem. why not a needle.

i shoot the thigh mostly because my thighs can take much abuse in the gym, much more than if i gave my shoulder a prop shot and i were doing flys. or even my glutes a winny pop and im doin hams. my legs march on through it. we are all different, thats why michael jackson made so many number hits and i still cant.

but its real interesting to hear where others can and cant shoot. just shows how different we each are.

[anadroljack]

i also like the leg because you can see the shot real easy and do a good job,but if your just fu----- with me then fu-- off.or if your not and really want a debate thats cool but you should try it i was scared at first but now i love it.

[Knockout_Power]

I use to use glutes and quads exclusively until I switched to shorter ester gear... just cant pin 4 spots 6 times a week, need to find other sites

[SuperBird]

I use to use glutes and quads exclusively until I switched to shorter ester gear... just cant pin 4 spots 6 times a week, need to find other sites

exactly.

although some guys shoot in the forearms, and ive never done that... i just naturally look for the meatiest shank with least abuse. and thats where its going, no crying about it. we're gladiators, its what we do.