4th Cycle critique

[austin4023]

Hey guys, been about 6 months since my last go around and im thinking of what to do next. Im 24 yrs old 5"9 195 probly 10-11% BF. I have previously run Test E, Test prop and masteron, and Test E and Tren E.

This is what im thinking for my next cycle.

Wks 1-10 Test Prop 400mg/wk
Wks 1-10 Tren Ace 300mg/wk
Wks 1-3 Dbol 50mg ED
Wks 5-10 Winny 50mg ED
Wks 3-10 T3 pyramding up to 80 mcg ED
Wks 1-10 Arimidex .25 mg E3D

PCT
HCG wks 4 wks 250 IU EOD
Nolvadex 4 wks 40/40/20/20
Clomid 4 wks 100/100/50/50

Lemme know what u guys think

[Knockout_Power]

Nice cycle, I like the lower doses. The dbol may be a bit high, dont know if you really need it with those short esters but I dont think it will hurt.

Well laid out, should see some nice lean gains from this when the dbol bloat subsides

[austin4023]

Yea im on the fence about the dbol, i kind of just want it there for the jumpstart since ive never tried it before, thats why im only running it for three weeks cus im trying to be down to like 7% bodyfat by the end of this

[Knockout_Power]

Yea im on the fence about the dbol, i kind of just want it there for the jumpstart since ive never tried it before, thats why im only running it for three weeks cus im trying to be down to like 7% bodyfat by the end of this

let the prop do the work then and save the dbol for a bulking cycle... you will look sick throughout this cycle saving yourself the bloat.

[Neevor]

I just ran basically this exact same cycle. Here was mine (it was my 5th)

Wks 1-10 Test Prop 350mg/wk
Wks 1-10 Tren Ace 350mg/wk
Wks 1-5 Winny 50mg ED
Wks 5-10 Mast 262.5mg/wk
Wks 2-7 T3 pyramding up to 75 mcg ED
Wks 1-9 Clen 40mcg twice daily
Wks 3,6,9 Benedryl 50mgs ED before bed

I didnt need the Arimidex although I had it on hand. I started it with my PCT and noticed a lot less water retention so could be good for you if you wanna be cut towards the end but I didnt want to negate the small amount of estrogen I had during the cycle.

This cycle was by far my favorite ever. No bad sides except for night sweats and some injection pain. I took asprin and ibuprofin regularly for those.

Effin loved this so I hope you do too!

Oh, ps, everyone here seems to be sayin you dont need the Dbol. I liked starting my cycle with a bang but ended up being sorry I had to drop the oral in week five lol. I dont think you need it unless its just because it makes you happy lol. Seeing dramatic changes the first week of my cycle always amps me up for the rest of it.

[Knockout_Power]

Oh, ps, everyone here seems to be sayin you dont need the Dbol. I liked starting my cycle with a bang but ended up being sorry I had to drop the oral in week five lol. I dont think you need it unless its just because it makes you happy lol. Seeing dramatic changes the first week of my cycle always amps me up for the rest of it.

this is the thing, people love to see the "gains" we will call them in the first 4 weeks on dbol and then think their test isnt working well cause they dont get anymore weight after dropping the dbol when really they are maintaining the weight but the water is leaving and muscle is gaining with the test, but they only see the scale # and get discouraged. This is why I usually discourage dbol, not that its a bad compound, but novice users dont understand whats happenning to thier bodies.

[Neevor]

this is the thing, people love to see the "gains" we will call them in the first 4 weeks on dbol and then think their test isnt working well cause they dont get anymore weight after dropping the dbol when really they are maintaining the weight but the water is leaving and muscle is gaining with the test, but they only see the scale # and get discouraged. This is why I usually discourage dbol, not that its a bad compound, but novice users dont understand whats happenning to thier bodies.

Yes I would say this is a very acurate statement. Same thing happened to me on my first run with Dbol.

[baseline_9]

looks like a killer cycle bro

The HCG should be run durring cycle, up untill PCT

[Jfew44]

I agree. The prop will kick in fast, no need for the dbol

[austin4023]

Thanks for the input everyone. Lol yea you're def right about the dbol and weight aspect, im not one of those guys that weighs myself every 10 mins on cycle, im more of looking at my muscles change and watching my lifts increase weight isnt a huge deal to me. Im thinkin u guys r right about the prop kickin in fast i wanna stay lean so maybe ill jus ditch the Dbols. Thanks again guys

[Vitruvian-Man]

If you're going for a lean bulker you could always use T-bol to kick-start.

I think the Tren/Prop/Winny is a sick combo though.

Only thing I would change is that I wouldn't run HCG throughout the 4 weeks of my PCT.

I would just running it during cycle @ 250iu x 2/week, and stop once the PCT has commenced.

-VM

[Neevor]

..Only thing I would change is that I wouldn't run HCG throughout the 4 weeks of my PCT.

I would just running it during cycle @ 250iu x 3 day, and stop once the PCT has commenced.

Oh yeah. Good catch V. Running HCG w Nolvadex would be baaaaaad...