Just a fish looking for some advice. (what and what nots)

[Caseandtay]

I am 27 years old, in average shape besides my arms they are chicken arms.

I have NEVER worked out before, but am ready to get VERY serious.

I weight about 220 lbs at 6ft tall. And, I am looking for a boost of muscle.

Question 1: Is it true or false that because I have not worked out before, that I will see more results then someone who has within the first few months? Like more results..

Question 2: I have been trying to do research and educate myself before jumping into steroids, Now I know some say go natural and then take the boost of roids, but I want to jump right in there. So I ask what would steroid would you recommend? and how many cycles to see results? I know that different stuff works better for different people. But on average WHAT IS THE BEST?

I really want to begin to feel good about myself physically, and after reading over many threads and sites over the internet I have found this to be the best read. Props for that, you all seem too offer great advice.

Question 3: I know that not just steroids will give me the results i am looking for as that will come with HARD work and dedication which I am ready to give 100%. But what would I need for dieting, what is a good diet/ protein suppy? A friend of mine gave me this

Meal 1 (7 AM)
1 cup of dry oats mixed with water
1 cup of egg beaters

Meal 2 (9 AM)
Meal replacement packet like Prolab's Lean Mass Complex (which has a 40/40/20 nutrient ratio) mixed with water or a protein powder (with around 40 grams of protein) mixed with 40 grams of carbs from cream of rice, grits, or oatmeal.
1 Tablespoon of Flaxseed Oil (Spectrum brand is best)

Meal 3 (12 Noon)
1 cup of brown rice, or medium sized baked potato, or 1 cup of oatmeal
2 cups of green beans, broccoli or any other desired vegetable
6-8 ounces of chicken, turkey, or lean fish

Meal 4 (3 PM)
Same as Meal 2

Meal 5 (6 PM)
1 cup of brown rice, or medium sized baked potato, or 1 cup of oatmeal
2 cups of green beans, broccoli or any other desired vegetable
6-8 ounces of chicken, turkey, or lean fish

Meal 6 (8 PM)
Same as Meal 2


Now I dont know if that is good or not as he has only been lifting for a few months, maybe one of you can tell me ? Or point me in a better direction when it comes to dieting.



I know this is alot to answer but i would really appreciate the advice so I am not running blind. I thank you in advance.

[wormwood]

Q1: Yes you would. Neurological adaptations should occure within the first month and then you should start gaining some muscle provided that your diet and training are in check.
Q2: Nobody one here will recomend that you use steroids. You risk bodily harm and injury if you do now. If you have "chicken arms" and are 220 lbs at 6 foot tall then your bodyfat % is too high to cycle, let alone the fact that you have yet to gain zero mass naturally yet.
Q3: Diet doesn't look too bad....but compared to others on the board I don't know much about diet....see what they say. You may want to post your diet in the diet section to get better feedback.

[Archangel.]

I am 27 years old, in average shape besides my arms they are chicken arms.

I have NEVER worked out before, but am ready to get VERY serious.

I weight about 220 lbs at 6ft tall. And, I am looking for a boost of muscle.

Question 1: Is it true or false that because I have not worked out before, that I will see more results then someone who has within the first few months? Like more results..
Typically beginners tend to make better results than an advanced trainee

Question 2: I have been trying to do research and educate myself before jumping into steroids, Now I know some say go natural and then take the boost of roids, but I want to jump right in there. I wouldn't advise this, nor do I think would anyone else on this forum with a shred of intelligence So I ask what would steroid would you recommend? No steroid, just proper nutrtion and training and how many cycles to see results? I know that different stuff works better for different people. But on average WHAT IS THE BEST?
You shouldn't even concern yourself with this yet

I really want to begin to feel good about myself physically, You can achieve this naturally and after reading over many threads and sites over the internet I have found this to be the best read. Props for that, you all seem too offer great advice.
Thanks for the compliment regarding our site, but if you really feel that way, then PUT IN THE TIME to study the various sections where you need help i.e. diet and training

Question 3: I know that not just steroids will give me the results i am looking for as that will come with HARD work and dedication which I am ready to give 100%. If you are really ready to commit like this, you won't need the steroids But what would I need for dieting, what is a good diet/ protein suppy? A friend of mine gave me this

Meal 1 (7 AM)
1 cup of dry oats mixed with water
1 cup of egg beaters

Meal 2 (9 AM)
Meal replacement packet like Prolab's Lean Mass Complex (which has a 40/40/20 nutrient ratio) mixed with water or a protein powder (with around 40 grams of protein) mixed with 40 grams of carbs from cream of rice, grits, or oatmeal.
1 Tablespoon of Flaxseed Oil (Spectrum brand is best)

Meal 3 (12 Noon)
1 cup of brown rice, or medium sized baked potato, or 1 cup of oatmeal
2 cups of green beans, broccoli or any other desired vegetable
6-8 ounces of chicken, turkey, or lean fish

Meal 4 (3 PM)
Same as Meal 2

Meal 5 (6 PM)
1 cup of brown rice, or medium sized baked potato, or 1 cup of oatmeal
2 cups of green beans, broccoli or any other desired vegetable
6-8 ounces of chicken, turkey, or lean fish

Meal 6 (8 PM)
Same as Meal 2

I'm not gonna comment on the diet your friend laid out for you but I will tell you this: Diet is a VERY individualistic thing, and you have to have the patience, perseverence and commitment to plan the right diet then stick to it
Go study the diet section and post up your stats. No one can even help you figure out a good meal plan for you if they don't know your stats


Now I dont know if that is good or not as he has only been lifting for a few months, maybe one of you can tell me ? Or point me in a better direction when it comes to dieting.
See above


I know this is alot to answer but i would really appreciate the advice so I am not running blind. I thank you in advance.

Study here for a while, and you won't be "running blind"
And please, don't cycle steroids

[Caseandtay]

At wormwood:

Although I understand natural is better, Steroid are def still going to be an end result for me personally. I will def work out natural first with that said. But, when you say me being 220lbs at 6ft is not the proper body fat% and that i CANNOT EVEN start on roids with that kind of body structure alludes me. Can you please give me a little more detail to that statement. What if any is the proper body fat to be on steroids? and what would happen if I did, not that I will use them without being at this bodyfat percent? Thanks


At Archangel

Thanks for you advice, just a couple more questions. Working out natural with a good routine how many inches should i expect to see going natural as apposed to going roids after the first 6 months?

Also you say steroids are a no in this case. Could you recommend some good supplement names and or testosterone boosters that would do the same?

Thanks in advance.

[wormwood]

At wormwood:

Although I understand natural is better, Steroid are def still going to be an end result for me personally. I will def work out natural first with that said. But, when you say me being 220lbs at 6ft is not the proper body fat% and that i CANNOT EVEN start on roids with that kind of body structure alludes me. Can you please give me a little more detail to that statement. What if any is the proper body fat to be on steroids? and what would happen if I did, not that I will use them without being at this bodyfat percent? Thanks


At Archangel

Thanks for you advice, just a couple more questions. Working out natural with a good routine how many inches should i expect to see going natural as apposed to going roids after the first 6 months?

Also you say steroids are a no in this case. Could you recommend some good supplement names and or testosterone boosters that would do the same?

Thanks in advance.

The lower the better. Different people recomend different things. Below 15% is good. What I meant was that if you have "chicken arms" and yet weigh220 pounds then I would assume that you have a lot of bodyfat. I could be wrong, of course, but it seems like a reasonable assumption.

Cycling at too high a bodyfat drastically increases your chances of experiencing side effects.

[G4R]

Higher BF and AAS don't mix well. It can lead to some serious heart issues, cholesterol problems, blood pressure problems, possible gyno and other estrogen related issues. Steroids are not the magic beans you are wanting them to be. For the best results, you need to have your diet in check for a few years, training down to a T, and you need to reach your natural max.

[Matt]

You need to exhaust your bodies natural possibilities before ever considering aas. So eat and train hard for the next three years and we shall do everything we can to help you with setting up your first cycle...

[Damienm05]

That's a great diet to start with. Sure, it gets better but that's better than what anyone else who hasn't even started lifting yet eats. Stick to it for a year, while showing up to the gym consistently and training hard. The first few months will yield steroid-like gains, the following 8 or so will get your bf% down to a reasonable level since you'll be consistently active and eating clean. A year in, you'll know if steroids are the answer. Right now, you just need to put in the work.

[Caseandtay]

at wormwood

Thanks for the advice, I will do my best at a hard natural work out and try and lower my body fat. Could you recommend a good suppy for helping me burn it faster?

at G4R and 007

After seeing the feedback from my original post I will go for my natural max before juicing up, I trust your speaking from exp and will do my best normally before i consider. Also what is the best workout for abs or stomach? that you would recommend? thanks

At Damien

Thanks I will still with this diet and talk to the guys in my gym to see what works.

[Bonaparte]

Thanks I will still with this diet and talk to the guys in my gym to see what works.

I would avoid this. Your average gym rat has no idea what the **** he is doing and will just tell you a bunch of BS that he overheard from some other moron's conversation. There are plenty of good bodybuilding forums that don't involve (much) AAS talk. I would find any one of them and start busting ass for a few years before worrying about AAS. Trust me, your first year or two of natural gains would make any advanced AAS user jealous.