First Var Cycle..Need Some Help Please

[jojo1370]

OK I have a few questions and hopefully you guys can help. First let me explain my situation...

I am 40, 5'10, 190 and have not worked out in several years. I was at one point in very good shape. Work, life etc got in the way but now...finally I have a home and built a little gym that I always wanted.

I started doing var last week. Im a bit of a nut case and worry about everything ( when you hit 40 you will too ; ) so I always do everything very slow and easy. I am doing 3-5 var a day and working out about 4-5 times a week.

This may sound stupid but in 1 week I feel different. Is that even possible?

What do you think I will see and how long before I see a big change if any?

How long should I stay on this? How long off?

I think thats a good start I will have more stupid questions shortly ; )

Thanks
Jojo

[Big]

how many mg per day of var are you doing? 3-5 doesn't tell us much, and I would pick a dosage and stick with it.

[jojo1370]

Sorry that would be 30-50

[HawaiianPride.]

Sorry that would be 30-50

What?

[Big]

there are a couple good threads on var only cycles, let me have a look...

[Big]

here is one
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=403234

[Big]

What?

yeah that baffled me as well

[jojo1370]

I am taking 30-50mgs a day right now...not 30-50 pills

[HawaiianPride.]

As Big already stated above, stick with one dose.

[Big]

I am taking 30-50mgs a day right now...not 30-50 pills

I knew what you meant, I was just wondering how you arrived at that. what determines which dose you take each day?

[jojo1370]

Big..I know I should be taking more but I wanted to see how my body reacted for a week before going to 50-70mg

[TKO Performance]

50mg/day is fine, but what everyone is saying is do not fluctuate the dose. If you're doing 50 stay at 50. It's one thing to ramp up, say go from 30-50 in a week, but then maintain 50 from there on out. BTW, lots of guys run 40-50mg/day and see great results.

Is it possible to see results in a week? Sure, especially at your age. If your natural test level was low to start with then the boost just back to normal should make a difference.

BTW, you are taking some liver support and planned for some PCT right?

[Bertuzzi]

50mg/day is fine, but what everyone is saying is do not fluctuate the dose. If you're doing 50 stay at 50. It's one thing to ramp up, say go from 30-50 in a week, but then maintain 50 from there on out. BTW, lots of guys run 40-50mg/day and see great results.

Is it possible to see results in a week? Sure, especially at your age. If your natural test level was low to start with then the boost just back to normal should make a difference.

BTW, you are taking some liver support and planned for some PCT right?

Are you implying that Var boosts your test levels???

[TKO Performance]

To a limited extent, but not directly like test itself or DHT based steroids. Certainly not in that quantity either. What it really does is boost progesterone and to a very limited extent estrogen. That makes you feel better because both help with healing and anti-inflamation. At his age there's always something that needs those properties. The small bump in test comes as the body increases production a small amount in the short term to achieve balance with the estrogen. However, long term it also suppresses test to an extent through the same channels, which is why you still need PCT, though nothing as drastic as what you need when coming off of DHT based steroids that are outright suppressive.

[HawaiianPride.]

To a limited extent, but not directly like test itself or DHT based steroids. Certainly not in that quantity either. What it really does is boost progesterone and to a very limited extent estrogen. That makes you feel better because both help with healing and anti-inflamation. At his age there's always something that needs those properties. The small bump in test comes as the body increases production a small amount in the short term to achieve balance with the estrogen. However, long term it also suppresses test to an extent through the same channels, which is why you still need PCT, though nothing as drastic as what you need when coming off of DHT based steroids that are outright suppressive.

In other words, Homeostasis. Good write-up TKO.

[TKO Performance]

Exactly, thanks.

BTW, one question we never answered was how long for this cycle. Minimum of 6 weeks, maximum of 8 weeks at 50mg/day. Then 3 weeks of Clomid at 50mg/day for PCT.

[Bertuzzi]

Exactly, thanks.

BTW, one question we never answered was how long for this cycle. Minimum of 6 weeks, maximum of 8 weeks at 50mg/day. Then 3 weeks of Clomid at 50mg/day for PCT.

For a guy who has never ran Anavar before you seem to know enough.... but I disagree with the dose and the PCT. I would not go under 80mg/ed for 8 weeks and Clomid 50/50/50/50 I also use Nolva but I am overcautious.

[TKO Performance]

We can agree to disagree on the point of dosage. Lots of posts on here and other forums claim great results with 40-50mg/day. The consensus is that 100mg/day is the tipping point. Beyond that and you see no further gain and are just wasting money. I would stay at 40-50 for your first cycle to see how your body tolerates it. You could always up the dose for your next cycle, if you chose to do one.

I would agree that if you run 80mg/day you need longer PCT as well. Nolva certainly wouldn't hurt anything either. Lots of guys swear by the stuff.

You are correct that I have not run Anavar before, or any steroid for that matter. I am however giving Anavar a very serious consideration right now. Before I do anything I research the hell out of it. I've probably read a dictionary's worth of posts, profiles, studies, articles, etc. I have a good foundation in organic chem and biology, so I can typically fully understand what I'm reading when it comes to the technical stuff. In all fairness I do lack first hand experience, but any of us who went to college were taught by professors with no real world experience who still managed to be right about a lot of stuff : )

[jojo1370]

First thank you everyone for your help and answers.

OK here comes stupid...

What the hell is PCT?

So I am going to do 40-50 mg a day for 6-8 weeks based on all of your suggestions and not fluctuate in dosage. That solves that so thank you.

Next stupid question...

How can I word this...hmmmm...lol...we are trying to have a kid. Could this effect anything at this dosage ? I have noticed I think I am more "awake" so to speak and have more of a desire for sex. Does that make sense too or is it just in my head?

[428scj]

PCT is 'post cycle therapy' and involves getting your body to adjust to the lack of steroids in your system when your cycle is over and start performing normally again.

The therapy will depend on the type of cycle you ran. The folks in this thread are saying you need to use Clomid at the recommended daily doses for the alloted period of time in order to recover correctly.

You need to make sure you have everything on hand BEFORE you start your cycle. This means you need to research what you are going to use for PCT and what you might need for liver support, ect. on cycle. You will be much happier you did.

I just finished a Var/Tbol cycle and found I needed to drink an awful lot of water a day to keep the back pumps and aches away. You will find a gallon of water a day minimum is probably what you will need.

Anyways, there are threads here on this site about proper PCT. You need to do some reading. Good luck.

[TKO Performance]

Wow, sort of jumped into this with both feet huh? PCT should be done for three weeks and start immediately after you finish up your cycle. Clomid for three weeks at 50mg/day, or you could use Nolva.

Also, you need to be doing some liver support while on any oral. Liv52, milk thistle, etc. Anavar is milder than other orals, but it is still liver toxic.

My guess is that increased libido, again, is the result of a boost in your test level. Enjoy!

[jojo1370]

Thank you everyone again for your help and answers to my dumb questions. I have learned so much on this board in a few weeks.

Update..

I have been taking 40mg of var a day now for 3 weeks and besides for 1-2 days I feel great. My body is much stronger and at 40 I dont think I felt this good in 20 years.

Im working out 4-5 days a week but even on days off doing something cardio wise

Im going to do a 6 or 8 week cycle...but then how much time do I take off before I begin again?

[TKO Performance]

At least cycle length+PCT time off.

Post back with results. I'd love to know how you did.

[jojo1370]

So if I do 6 weeks of var I then take off for 6 weeks?

[HawaiianPride.]

6 weeks off + the duration of your PCT. Then wait a month and get blood work done. Then you can cycle again.

[jojo1370]

Should my PCT be 6 weeks?

[HawaiianPride.]

No. 4 weeks is the common protocol. Hit the educational threads bro.

[jojo1370]

Thank you Hawaiian...I did by the way if you could point that out to me anywhere I would appreciate it. I couldnt find it

[HawaiianPride.]

If this is a Var only cycle were talking here, Nolva should be enough. 40/40/20/20. Don't forget blood work.

[Necrosaro]

I would say clomid not nolva ran at 100mgs for the first week then 50mgs for an extra 2 weeks

[HawaiianPride.]

I would say clomid not nolva ran at 100mgs for the first week then 50mgs for an extra 2 weeks

Lets not confuse him. Either or will work. Keep in mind that this 17aa is on the mild side. So both SERMs on a standalone level should suffice.

[jojo1370]

Hawaiin..its not hard to confuse me lol

TKO suggested Milk thistle. Can I do that instead? From what I have read ( been doing alot of that ) Var is not very toxic on the liver

[HawaiianPride.]

It's still hepatoxic. Whether it's mild or not you will need to run a product designed to assist your liver. And what do you mean take Milk Thistle instead? Are we referring to PCT or liver protectant here?

[junkiescumbag]

**** sake its making me pissed off reading this idiot

jojo

run nolva for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20
you can run milk thistle to protect your liver
they are two completely different things.

[jojo1370]

Ut oh...confusion!

I thought, from reading this, that taking something like Milk Thistle to help your liver was considered PCT as 428scj stated..

"PCT is 'post cycle therapy' and involves getting your body to adjust to the lack of steroids in your system when your cycle is over and start performing normally again."

[jojo1370]

**** sake its making me pissed off reading this idiot

jojo

run nolva for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20
you can run milk thistle to protect your liver
they are two completely different things.

Dude seriously chill out. If your dumb enough to get pissed off on a Friday night by reading stupid questions on a forum maybe you should stop taking steroids and go have a drink!

[HawaiianPride.]

**** sake its making me pissed off reading this idiot

jojo

run nolva for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20
you can run milk thistle to protect your liver
they are two completely different things.

Who are you referring to?

[HawaiianPride.]

Ut oh...confusion!

I thought, from reading this, that taking something like Milk Thistle to help your liver was considered PCT as 428scj stated..

"PCT is 'post cycle therapy' and involves getting your body to adjust to the lack of steroids in your system when your cycle is over and start performing normally again."

Just run the Nolva as I outlined earlier.

[jojo1370]

Im referring to junkiescumbag

[Big]

Ut oh...confusion!

I thought, from reading this, that taking something like Milk Thistle to help your liver was considered PCT as 428scj stated..

"PCT is 'post cycle therapy' and involves getting your body to adjust to the lack of steroids in your system when your cycle is over and start performing normally again."

milk thistle is not pct, and I see no where in 428scj's posts that would suggest it is.