My Cycle

[RandyRage]

Hey guys i posted here a little while ago, got some updated info.

Im on test prop(50mg eod)
Winni(50mg eod) tabs

I also have tren that i havent started to run because this is my first cycle. People have suggested to not run it. it would be (75mg eod)

Im only 1 week into my cylce, but now debating on starting the tren.
I also have clen comming in soon.

What im wondering is should i take the tren?

My goals are to cut down some BF gut increase muscle size as well.

Currently
6ft
225lbs
15% bf

Lifting every other day, cardio 3x week

diet 4 shakes a day(usually strawberry from mcdonalds) haha jk.
4 shakes - 270 cals per shake 52g protien.
meals are usually chicken and broc, or steak and potatos
snacks are usually, cottage cheese, greek yogurt, when craving candy ill have gum.

also wondering what resuslts ill get running test prop, winni, clen
and what resuslts ill get running test p, tren, winni, clen
i know the results ill get per substance, but wondering what ill be expecting for these stacks.
thanks guys!

[8iron]

Age?
Cycles Ran?

[D7M]

Age?

No. Don't use Tren on your first cycle.

[Knockout_Power]

how old are you? 50EOD of prop will do almost nothing, should be at least 50ED

for a first cycle, dont worry about multiple compounds... run a simple test only and observe how your body reacts.

[RandyRage]

age 23
this is my first cycle
have done about 5 -6 prohormone cylces

why not run the tren, i know people say not for your first cylce, but why?
also if 50mg of test prop eod enought to see results
thanks again guys!

[RandyRage]

i ordered a cycle off line, and since im not running the tren i didnt know if i would have enough test to do anything. if i take 50mg ed, or 100eod then i only have enough to run it 4 weeks and thatd be pointless. thats why im debating the tren

[Knockout_Power]

age 23
this is my first cycle
have done about 5 -6 prohormone cylces

why not run the tren, i know people say not for your first cylce, but why?
also if 50mg of test prop eod enought to see results
thanks again guys!

tren is a very harsh compound... you need the experience of cycling and understanding how your body reacts before you add such an agressive anabolic.

Think of it like this, we recommend test only so you see how you react/respond... if you run even 2 compounds (even if just an oral) and you have a reaction, which one did your body not like? I ran test only for my first 2 cycles and tren didnt come in till later on.

Taking more doesnt get more results, it just limits the results from future cycles if you have to start with higher dosages of more compounds to compensate.

TEST TEST TEST...

you will thank yourself for taking this advice.

[D7M]

i ordered a cycle off line, and since im not running the tren i didnt know if i would have enough test to do anything. if i take 50mg ed, or 100eod then i only have enough to run it 4 weeks and thatd be pointless. thats why im debating the tren

This is a mess, my friend.

What's your planned pct?

tren is a very harsh compound... you need the experience of cycling and understanding how your body reacts before you add such an agressive anabolic.

Think of it like this, we recommend test only so you see how you react/respond... if you run even 2 compounds (even if just an oral) and you have a reaction, which one did your body not like? I ran test only for my first 2 cycles and tren didnt come in till later on.

Taking more doesnt get more results, it just limits the results from future cycles if you have to start with higher dosages of more compounds to compensate.

TEST TEST TEST...

you will thank yourself for taking this advice.

^Agreed.

[Knockout_Power]

i ordered a cycle off line, and since im not running the tren i didnt know if i would have enough test to do anything. if i take 50mg ed, or 100eod then i only have enough to run it 4 weeks and thatd be pointless. thats why im debating the tren

now you are starting to sound like you did no research at all... you dont add compounds to hit a certain overall dosage (ex. 500mg/wk)

you need to run a proper amount of test as your base (4-500/wk for beginner) not cobine test and tren for that 500/wk dose... horrible idea. Just cause its what you have doesnt mean you should use it. That amont of test may not keep your body from shutting down... tren can cause shutdown with a very low dose... do you want your dick to keep working?

[RandyRage]

WEEKS 1- 6: Winstrol 50mg Every Other Day
WEEKS 1- 6: Trenbolone 75mg Every Other Day
WEEKS 1- 8: Testosterone Propionate 50mg Every Other Day
WEEKS 1-10: Clenbuterol 80-100mcg 14 days ON, 14 days OFF

Cycle reviewed and approved by BIG A, IFBB PRO, owner of www.professionalmuscle.com

is he wrong?
i know its probably not a beginner cycle, but how does the cycle look anyway?

[HawaiianPride.]

Listen to these guys Rage. That cycle isn't novice friendly.

[RandyRage]

i will listen for sure! what im wondering is does this look like a good future cycle?

[D7M]

WEEKS 1- 6: Winstrol 50mg Every Other Day
WEEKS 1- 6: Trenbolone 75mg Every Other Day
WEEKS 1- 8: Testosterone Propionate 50mg Every Other Day
WEEKS 1-10: Clenbuterol 80-100mcg 14 days ON, 14 days OFF

Cycle reviewed and approved by BIG A, IFBB PRO, owner of www.professionalmuscle.com

is he wrong?
i know its probably not a beginner cycle, but how does the cycle look anyway?

There's a few things I'd change about the cycle.

But that's moot.

That cycle isn't for you, on your first cycle.

Your whole cycle seems poorly planned.

So, again, what's your planned pct?

[Neevor]

Get your hands on more prop and extend your cycle w 100mg EOD to 10 weeks at least. That will be enough for you to see a difference. You've already got a kick start with the win. Its a rough compound but the stuff always helps my aggression in the gym. If you cant get more then you're gonna have to go with a 4 week cycle and tuck it in the "lessons learned" catagory. I think we all have a few..

Oh yeah, whats your planned PCT? If you don't have one you better get one or stop now and recover. At the low dosages you have been taking you probably won't have shut yourself down that hard yet, it might only take 2 to 3 weeks to recover with no PCT but if you keep going it might take a couple months and you'll lose everything you gained (if anything) or worse when you come off and have no PCT available.

[RandyRage]

WEEK 8: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 9: 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 10: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day

[RandyRage]

hows the pct look?

[D7M]

Get your hands on more prop and extend your cycle w 100mg EOD to 10 weeks at least. That will be enough for you to see a difference. You've already got a kick start with the win. Its a rough compound but the stuff always helps my aggression in the gym. If you cant get more then you're gonna have to go with a 4 week cycle and tuck it in the "lessons learned" catagory. I think we all have a few..

^Good advice

hows the pct look?

Sufficient.

Might want to run it for another week.

[Neevor]

Thank goodness you have something. That PCT should be just fine if you run it after a 4 week cycle. Even 10 weeks on just prop and that will probably get you back to running again. Make sure you start it two days after your last shot.