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Thread: 2nd cycle Test e and winstrol

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    2nd cycle Test e and winstrol

    Hey guys, my name is Gary and im thinking of starting my second cycle of AS.
    I was planning on doing the following:

    - Wks 1-10 : 600mg Test e
    - Wks 7-12 : 50mg Winstrol (orals)

    My goals are too gain strength, some lean muscle and pretty well get ripped. I am prone to estrogenic side effects and i am able to obtain arimidex which i plan to use at 0.25mg per day (more if bloating / gyno isnt controlled) until i start the winstrol.

    My diet is very clean and i will be aiming for around 3000-3500 kcal per day.
    My height is 5'10" and i weight 85kg, 11% BF.

    Most my training is in martial arts (5 years) and mostly strength training at the gym (only compound movements).

    My PCT will involve:

    wks 13-15 : 40mg Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) ed
    1000mg Tribulus Terrestis ed
    wks 15-17 : 20mg Nolvadex ed
    1000mg Trib. ed

    My previous cycle was Sus 250 (250mg pw) and i had good results (jumped from 78-94kg) but most of the weight gained was all water and i finished up after cycle on a 83kg (after all the water weight).

    A few questions i have to ask from more experienced users of test:

    - Is there a real difference in gains from taking 400mg to 600mg of test? I know apparently that results increase with an increase in dosage but just how dramatically? i have been searching and i haven't found a definite answer.

    - Obviously my nuts will be shut down pretty bad, but how essential do you think it would be to have HCG? my previous cycle i didn't use it because i cannot obtain it (i live in aus). But i'm not sure what throwing winstrol in the mix will do to my suppression.

    Thanks for the help, Gary

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    Cycle looks fine.

    I don't think Trib will do much for you in PCT. You could also consider adding another SERM to PCT (optional).

    I don't think you'll see a HUGE difference between 400 and 600mg/ test a week.

    HCG, in my opinion, is optional on a cycle like this. But if you can get it, it certainly won't hurt anything.

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    ^Agree. Don't waste your money on the Trib.

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    Thanks for the reply mate, actually i was reading one of the stickies and i think i might change my PCT to something along the line of Pheendo's PCT.
    In terms of the test dosage, im just going to go in the middle and stick with 500mg pw, i dont want to miss out on the potential gains if i only ran it at 400mg and i dont want the possible side effects if i ran it at 600mg (which i doubt there would be any).

    Yeah in terms of the trib, i just through it may help raise LH but Pheendo's PCT seems to have most of those problems sorted.

    Thanks Gary.

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