cycle info.

[jaquesy]

dont wont any burns on age, im 20, focus on my question, lol.


im wanting to do a cycle on dbol, deca and sus. is this a common cycle??

i dont know alot of ppl on the stuff (just a few mates) so i cant really get a good opinion.

ive done a dbol only cycle and had very good results. so this will be second for me.

info would be much appreciated!! thank you.

[D7M]

Personally, I think you're too young

[Rhinos]

20 is too young to cycle especially with your stats. Also a first cycle should be one compound which should be a testosterone, If you use 3 compounds and you get bad side effects you wont know which one is causing them.

[marcus300]

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[jaquesy]

my diet consist of abit of everything, fish, chicken, alot of red meat i.e steak!! eggs, pig!! alot of water, OJ.

i have 3 maxs muscle builder shakes a day. i have over 15000kj a day and over 250g of protein.

the ONLY time i put on weight was when i was on d-bol.... go figure. i eat like a godamn horse!!! i cannot gain weight!!!

ive been working out for a little while (not to hard).

im benching around 6 reps of 4 sets at 90kgs (bout 110kgs at the most..... once lol).

i dont do to much ab work at the moment mainly chest, arms, back, traps, so ive a got a little gut!... haha.

i understand the GP, i am worried about this bit!! my family are all wide shouldered but short.... im the tallest and my shoulders are around the same.

so what of all the other people who started at like, 17, 18, 19 and 20?? ive seen quite a few who are now ver happy, no problems.... luck??

srry for the mixed up post!!!

so, if ive stopped growing, im healthy, ive been training for a while, im healthy, i eat alot and right and im dedicated to it, whats the problem??

[jaquesy]

also, i still didnt get an answer to said question.....

is it a common cycle?

and, given the right conditions, is it a good one?

[marcus300]

also, i still didnt get an answer to said question.....

is it a common cycle?

and, given the right conditions, is it a good one?

I doubt anyone will advice a 20yr old to cycle, sorry but there isnt a correct way to cycle at you age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage,

[themoreyouknow]

i cannot gain weight!!!

horse shit...you need to EAT! whether you are hungry or not, shove the food down! I wanted to cycle at 20 too but im sure glad i didnt, bc in the last 5 years i learned how to eat properly and but on a lot of weight naturally!

[Knockout_Power]

my diet consist of abit of everything, fish, chicken, alot of red meat i.e steak!! eggs, pig!! alot of water, OJ.

i have 3 maxs muscle builder shakes a day. i have over 15000kj a day and over 250g of protein.

If you think shakes are a good source of Cals, then you are strongly mistaken, easy to see why you are not putting on more muscle naturally

the ONLY time i put on weight was when i was on d-bol.... go figure. i eat like a godamn horse!!! i cannot gain weight!!!

water weight, not the best thing... and if you've already done dbol and you are as small as your avi pic shows then its obvious you are doing something wrong

ive been working out for a little while (not to hard).

shows real dedication, you should definately go for the easy way out and use gear and hurt your body.

im benching around 6 reps of 4 sets at 90kgs (bout 110kgs at the most..... once lol).

What you bench is not important and shows no relevance for muscle building. I lift very light weights and Im 5'9 230lbs

i dont do to much ab work at the moment mainly chest, arms, back, traps, so ive a got a little gut!... haha.

and no leg workouts? sounds like a solid training routine... goes back to your comment about "ive been working out for a little while (not to hard)."

i understand the GP, i am worried about this bit!! my family are all wide shouldered but short.... im the tallest and my shoulders are around the same.

so what of all the other people who started at like, 17, 18, 19 and 20?? ive seen quite a few who are now ver happy, no problems.... luck??

srry for the mixed up post!!!

so, if ive stopped growing, im healthy, ive been training for a while, im healthy, i eat alot and right and im dedicated to it, whats the problem??

well, I think the bolds are prety self explanitory... enjoy your 3 compound cycle. Everyone I know who cycles properly starts with just test, I did for my first 2 cycles.

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Slow down.. Read and learn.. You have so much time ahead of you to experiment why not wait and see where you get with some good old fashioned hard work and dedication? I'm sure you got some friends who have tried aas and they look better than you. However, in 10 years when they are on trt/hrt and you arent who will be laughing then?

Everyone wants things now and with as little effort as possible. But this is true for almost everything in life - If it is worth doing, then it is worth doing right.

[stack_it]

so what of all the other people who started at like, 17, 18, 19 and 20?? ive seen quite a few who are now ver happy, no problems.... luck??

I went all of my early 20's with sex drive issues because I started too early. I also had the mentality that I had to have aas in order to grow which is because I never knew how or what it was like to grow natural.

I'm now 24 and on trt for tge rest of my life. Just so you know most men don't need trt til late 30's sometimes late 40's. I've also lowered my chances of having children without the help of a specialist and meds.

Wait it out and train and diet correctly and you can pack on a ton of size at your age.